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Post by Mozzy on Feb 4, 2016 12:10:32 GMT
In that case then, you need to be asking serious questions about who in your organisation thought it would be a good idea to sign so many Brits. They won't have come cheap and were bound to have an effect on your import signings. There would still be a queue of clubs waiting to take them off your hands if you let them go. As for numbers, it's a fact. You have had injuries but due to the sheer size of your squad it's rare you've actually played a shorter bench than the team you were playing. I didn't read many disappointed posts when your Brits were being announced in the summer with all the talk about 4 line hockey. A lot did, right back in September when we were going to be short of imports. Brits are great if they are good but imports will always win the league. Take your point on not being able to replace the Brits and that really good imports will win you the league but it's the whole, we've played short all year stuff. You just haven't. There is no guarantee that the 1 extra import would have made a blind bit of difference to anything. Yes, there was the time Green played a few games, just like Day has for us with our relative netminding issues but, playing short all year, I just don't buy it. Your squad is probably the deepest in the league. Yes, Belfast\Cardiff etc may have more imports but they can't all play. All your Brits can play every game (when fit of course).
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Post by cjmatt42 on Feb 4, 2016 12:51:17 GMT
A lot did, right back in September when we were going to be short of imports. Brits are great if they are good but imports will always win the league. Take your point on not being able to replace the Brits and that really good imports will win you the league but it's the whole, we've played short all year stuff. You just haven't. There is no guarantee that the 1 extra import would have made a blind bit of difference to anything. Yes, there was the time Green played a few games, just like Day has for us with our relative netminding issues but, playing short all year, I just don't buy it. Your squad is probably the deepest in the league. Yes, Belfast\Cardiff etc may have more imports but they can't all play. All your Brits can play every game (when fit of course). Granted we might not have numerically been short but the issue has been a complete lack of effort to fix an obvious problem our own end of the ice. For a large part of the season (Circa 2 months for the Waugh injury and another 5 weeks and counting for Dimmen) we have played with 2 import D men, 1 average Brit in Swindlehurst, 1 declining Brit in Lee (He has also missed a fair chunk of games) and one simply not good enough Brit in Oakford. We've then bolstered that threadbare defence with Mosey who I think is having a fairly good season back there but in my opinion offers us more with his speed forechecking. Would you be happy to effectively see Fitzgerald and Moyer plus Swindlehurst, Lee and Oakford (I'm not chucking O'Conner in your situation as he is streets ahead of our British D men) and then fill the gaps with say Nelson off Forward lines? This is the equivalent scenario we've been playing with for around 3 and a half months out of 5 so far! Oh then chuck in more than the odd game they are protecting either an injured netminder or Day. It's impossible to me to say we've not been playing "short" when you put it into context. Numbers gloss over a clear mismanagement. The management of this club has been awful all season long and failed to equip a potentially championship winning side with the resources to really challenge. Instead as fans got unsettled someone like Lawrence was signed to appease. At the time a 2 week contract was useful as Moran, Schultz and McMillan were all absent. Instead he has been here two months and we've not addressed the D problems while Lawrence continues to cost money. Agreed we have lots of depth but it's pointsless having 4 forward lines and Ollie Betteridge sat on the bench if you can't make 3/4 goals a game stand up to win. Granted we drew a blank last week but I've felt sorry for our forwards all season. They are playing with the pressure of knowing they probably need 4 goals a night to win a game which against the top sides despite the depth just isn't realistic. Oh and I won't be attending the Steelers cup game either, might not make the slight bit of difference to messers Black and Moran's life but I'll feel happier that another £16 of my money hasn't gone to waste.
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Post by dill1015 on Feb 4, 2016 13:03:07 GMT
A lot did, right back in September when we were going to be short of imports. Brits are great if they are good but imports will always win the league. Take your point on not being able to replace the Brits and that really good imports will win you the league but it's the whole, we've played short all year stuff. You just haven't. There is no guarantee that the 1 extra import would have made a blind bit of difference to anything. Yes, there was the time Green played a few games, just like Day has for us with our relative netminding issues but, playing short all year, I just don't buy it. Your squad is probably the deepest in the league. Yes, Belfast\Cardiff etc may have more imports but they can't all play. All your Brits can play every game (when fit of course). I agree on paper we have ridiculos depth because of our brit pack. However u may aswell scratch lacho and farmer off based on thier contribution. Also it wasnt just the games green played. Mika clearly wasnt right for a while and cost us games when he started shipping goals. Stange old season for our team dont quite know what to make of it but overall im very dissapointed.
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Post by ted logan on Feb 4, 2016 13:59:06 GMT
Take your point on not being able to replace the Brits and that really good imports will win you the league but it's the whole, we've played short all year stuff. You just haven't. There is no guarantee that the 1 extra import would have made a blind bit of difference to anything. Yes, there was the time Green played a few games, just like Day has for us with our relative netminding issues but, playing short all year, I just don't buy it. Your squad is probably the deepest in the league. Yes, Belfast\Cardiff etc may have more imports but they can't all play. All your Brits can play every game (when fit of course). Granted we might not have numerically been short but the issue has been a complete lack of effort to fix an obvious problem our own end of the ice. For a large part of the season (Circa 2 months for the Waugh injury and another 5 weeks and counting for Dimmen) we have played with 2 import D men, 1 average Brit in Swindlehurst, 1 declining Brit in Lee (He has also missed a fair chunk of games) and one simply not good enough Brit in Oakford. We've then bolstered that threadbare defence with Mosey who I think is having a fairly good season back there but in my opinion offers us more with his speed forechecking. Would you be happy to effectively see Fitzgerald and Moyer plus Swindlehurst, Lee and Oakford (I'm not chucking O'Conner in your situation as he is streets ahead of our British D men) and then fill the gaps with say Nelson off Forward lines? This is the equivalent scenario we've been playing with for around 3 and a half months out of 5 so far! Oh then chuck in more than the odd game they are protecting either an injured netminder or Day. It's impossible to me to say we've not been playing "short" when you put it into context. Numbers gloss over a clear mismanagement. The management of this club has been awful all season long and failed to equip a potentially championship winning side with the resources to really challenge. Instead as fans got unsettled someone like Lawrence was signed to appease. At the time a 2 week contract was useful as Moran, Schultz and McMillan were all absent. Instead he has been here two months and we've not addressed the D problems while Lawrence continues to cost money. Agreed we have lots of depth but it's pointsless having 4 forward lines and Ollie Betteridge sat on the bench if you can't make 3/4 goals a game stand up to win. Granted we drew a blank last week but I've felt sorry for our forwards all season. They are playing with the pressure of knowing they probably need 4 goals a night to win a game which against the top sides despite the depth just isn't realistic. Oh and I won't be attending the Steelers cup game either, might not make the slight bit of difference to messers Black and Moran's life but I'll feel happier that another £16 of my money hasn't gone to waste. Very good post. it's too easy for fans of other teams (not having a go at Mozzy) to look at our numbers and think we're all moaning about nothing but this post (I think) puts things into context.
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Post by Mozzy on Feb 4, 2016 14:09:09 GMT
Granted we might not have numerically been short but the issue has been a complete lack of effort to fix an obvious problem our own end of the ice. For a large part of the season (Circa 2 months for the Waugh injury and another 5 weeks and counting for Dimmen) we have played with 2 import D men, 1 average Brit in Swindlehurst, 1 declining Brit in Lee (He has also missed a fair chunk of games) and one simply not good enough Brit in Oakford. We've then bolstered that threadbare defence with Mosey who I think is having a fairly good season back there but in my opinion offers us more with his speed forechecking. Would you be happy to effectively see Fitzgerald and Moyer plus Swindlehurst, Lee and Oakford (I'm not chucking O'Conner in your situation as he is streets ahead of our British D men) and then fill the gaps with say Nelson off Forward lines? This is the equivalent scenario we've been playing with for around 3 and a half months out of 5 so far! Oh then chuck in more than the odd game they are protecting either an injured netminder or Day. It's impossible to me to say we've not been playing "short" when you put it into context. Numbers gloss over a clear mismanagement. The management of this club has been awful all season long and failed to equip a potentially championship winning side with the resources to really challenge. Instead as fans got unsettled someone like Lawrence was signed to appease. At the time a 2 week contract was useful as Moran, Schultz and McMillan were all absent. Instead he has been here two months and we've not addressed the D problems while Lawrence continues to cost money. Agreed we have lots of depth but it's pointsless having 4 forward lines and Ollie Betteridge sat on the bench if you can't make 3/4 goals a game stand up to win. Granted we drew a blank last week but I've felt sorry for our forwards all season. They are playing with the pressure of knowing they probably need 4 goals a night to win a game which against the top sides despite the depth just isn't realistic. Oh and I won't be attending the Steelers cup game either, might not make the slight bit of difference to messers Black and Moran's life but I'll feel happier that another £16 of my money hasn't gone to waste. Very good post. it's too easy for fans of other teams (not having a go at Mozzy) to look at our numbers and think we're all moaning about nothing but this post (I think) puts things into context. Seems fair enough to me too. Interestingly we've not had a D man miss a game all season, it's always been the forwards. Plenty of wrong decisions taken this year by the men at the top seems to me.
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Post by wgray on Feb 4, 2016 19:12:15 GMT
So Slade Wilson, no players to be "shipped out" what next, Panthers 4th in the league and I must say Panthers look like a 4th spot team on the ice so something got to change or it will be just like the last 2 seasons. I disagree that we look like a 4th placed team, the only team that I feel we aren't better than is Cardiff, we're better than the rest definitely, the only reason we find ourselves in 4th spot is due to the lack of quality replacements for injured players, simple as
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Post by Shorty on Feb 4, 2016 23:25:53 GMT
You must have travelled around the rinks to see loads of games to be able to report that sheffield, coventry and belfast have not booed yet this season.
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Post by wgray on Feb 5, 2016 0:05:10 GMT
Panthers have lost the last 3 v Steelers, couldn't beat Blaze just lately if our live depended on it, you must be watch a differant team to me, even when they win its not that convincing, all the teams have had injuries, and when you get booing at your home games then thats a sign your not the 2nd best team in the league. we haven't lost the last three to the steelers at all, we narrowly lost to them away where they had four lucky goals, the game before against them was the Christmas home game in which we beat them. The blaze have been a bogey team for us away from home for a while but on home ice, barring the NYE Dan Green nightmare where Brian Stewart stood on his head we have not struggled with them, people were booing at the end of the Cardiff game but that was out of frustration at the way they took us apart, because they are the best team in the league, but I'm pretty sure that booing was directed towards the coaching/management rather then the players In my opinion, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being us against Cardiff in the play off and challenge cup final as on our day we can match them in quality
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