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Post by PantherG on Jan 13, 2016 19:03:01 GMT
I knew weeks ago that Hayes was looking to leave, in fact I have heard a number of alarming things about Edinburgh this season. I won't put them into print as they are hearsay but the one thing that people should notice is the amount of people who have quit that team this year... Because they are a small club these things go unnoticed but it is a real concern to me the amount of players who have quit and it should raise some serious questions.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 13, 2016 19:05:21 GMT
I knew weeks ago that Hayes was looking to leave, in fact I have heard a number of alarming things about Edinburgh this season. I won't put them into print as they are hearsay but the one thing that people should notice is the amount of people who have quit that team this year... Because they are a small club these things go unnoticed but it is a real concern to me the amount of players who have quit and it should raise some serious questions. Depends what the cause is I guess?
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Post by gump on Jan 13, 2016 19:35:04 GMT
Caps or maybe the owner need to go. League cannot continue to allow such weak ownership in Edinburgh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 19:40:04 GMT
Not got too many problems with this really. Hayes has seriously gone off the boil recently, maybe he was tapped up so that played a part. Sheffield get to challenge Cardiff & Braehead for the title now, good for them I say. They've looked real good recently so fair play for making this move.
All this does is further point out what a joke organization Panthers are.
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 13, 2016 20:50:11 GMT
Good on steelers, they are like an evil empire, but they get things done, win at any cost and don't give a ....
Panthers are looking like cheap lazy wet lettuce's. Come on panthers, green light to go poaching the players we need for fudges sake get it done! It's getting beyond a joke now, blatant p take.
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Post by craighead on Jan 13, 2016 22:10:16 GMT
Good on steelers, they are like an evil empire, but they get things done, win at any cost and don't give a .... Panthers are looking like cheap lazy wet lettuce's. Come on panthers, green light to go poaching the players we need for fudges sake get it done! It's getting beyond a joke now, blatant p take. Steelers formed 1991 - 8 league titles, 9 playoff championships ie 17 major gongs in 26 years Panthers formed 1980 - 1 league title, 5 playoff championships ie 6 major gongs in 36 years I think they will be dusting down that banner for Saturday... Beef stock, chicken stock, laughing stock. Thing is Mr Black this stuff bothers us!
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Post by shmyrohdear on Jan 14, 2016 1:55:45 GMT
I don't see why everyone's making a fuss. What would Hayes do to benefit our problem? Defence is our issue adding a sniper instead of a dman would be the worst thing to do. Lee expected back this weekend and no injury to Schultz. 6 dmen and full forward corp. No excuses not to compete.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 14, 2016 4:31:45 GMT
I don't see why everyone's making a fuss. What would Hayes do to benefit our problem? Defence is our issue adding a sniper instead of a dman would be the worst thing to do. Lee expected back this weekend and no injury to Schultz. 6 dmen and full forward corp. No excuses not to compete. If you have someone who can score goals for fun it takes a huge load of pressure off of our struggling defence. To win you have to score more than the other team and in most recent games we have been very easy to defend against.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Jan 14, 2016 8:19:15 GMT
I don't see why everyone's making a fuss. What would Hayes do to benefit our problem? Defence is our issue adding a sniper instead of a dman would be the worst thing to do. Lee expected back this weekend and no injury to Schultz. 6 dmen and full forward corp. No excuses not to compete. If you have someone who can score goals for fun it takes a huge load of pressure off of our struggling defence. To win you have to score more than the other team and in most recent games we have been very easy to defend against. Imo that's more to do with forwards needing to be more defensively minded with their roles. Having 5 dmen has to make them responsible more than ever with defence zone time and losing Dimmen means we lose one of if not our best transition players. We've lost his outlet pass which makes it harder for us escape our zone and both him and Lee jump up with the play and losing two guys like that will effect the offenses productivity. Hayes has been almost invisible for a while, do we need another streaky player? It's not a good gamble for a team full of bad gambles to take.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 14, 2016 8:33:06 GMT
If you have someone who can score goals for fun it takes a huge load of pressure off of our struggling defence. To win you have to score more than the other team and in most recent games we have been very easy to defend against. Imo that's more to do with forwards needing to be more defensively minded with their roles. Having 5 dmen has to make them responsible more than ever with defence zone time and losing Dimmen means we lose one of if not our best transition players. We've lost his outlet pass which makes it harder for us escape our zone and both him and Lee jump up with the play and losing two guys like that will effect the offenses productivity. Hayes has been almost invisible for a while, do we need another streaky player? It's not a good gamble for a team full of bad gambles to take. Having the chance to sign the leagues top scorer mid season and not going for it = The biggest possible show of lack of any ambition at all
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Post by shmyrohdear on Jan 14, 2016 9:59:17 GMT
Imo that's more to do with forwards needing to be more defensively minded with their roles. Having 5 dmen has to make them responsible more than ever with defence zone time and losing Dimmen means we lose one of if not our best transition players. We've lost his outlet pass which makes it harder for us escape our zone and both him and Lee jump up with the play and losing two guys like that will effect the offenses productivity. Hayes has been almost invisible for a while, do we need another streaky player? It's not a good gamble for a team full of bad gambles to take. Having the chance to sign the leagues top scorer mid season and not going for it = The biggest possible show of lack of any ambition at all And at what point has that been different from the last three seasons? Signing Hayes wouldn't change anything in regards to the problems we face now, had Schultz still been injured yes it would be a move worth the money. But as it stands forwards aren't our lacking point. We have one outstanding transitional dman in Mosey. The D situation needed sorting and we didn't that is what needed fixing. And who's to say we didn't offer Hayes the move? With the uncertainty and negative vibe at this club atm would you sign here? He may well have not wanted to come here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 12:08:28 GMT
So acccording to this article in the Edinburgh Evening News:Scott Neil: “Ryan had been unsettled for a while but he’s been sticking with us. We got a call from his agent on Monday night saying more or less that he wanted to go back to a team in North America and the longer it went on the worse it would get.
“If Ryan did leave the country it would mean we get nothing, so rather than allowing that to happen, we knew that Sheffield had been showing an interest in him for quite a while. We have no issue with Sheffield doing this. They are now paying for his International Transfer Card, flights and equipment whereas, if he left for North America, we would get nothing."Does this mean that Sheffield did unsettle him sometime ago with the Caps standing firm on keeping him until a team in North America came along and due to that team coming along Edinburgh finally caved into Sheffield's offer as it was the only way they wouldn't lose out as well as lose the player? Think the quote shows that Sheffield are far from an innocent party in this.
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Post by mattscold on Jan 14, 2016 12:19:15 GMT
Having the chance to sign the leagues top scorer mid season and not going for it = The biggest possible show of lack of any ambition at all And at what point has that been different from the last three seasons? Signing Hayes wouldn't change anything in regards to the problems we face now, had Schultz still been injured yes it would be a move worth the money. But as it stands forwards aren't our lacking point. We have one outstanding transitional dman in Mosey. The D situation needed sorting and we didn't that is what needed fixing. And who's to say we didn't offer Hayes the move? With the uncertainty and negative vibe at this club atm would you sign here? He may well have not wanted to come here. Come on now... you should know it is every players dream to play for the Panthers. All they have to do is offer them a contract and they will come running. The fact we haven't spoken to Alexander Ovechkin yet just shows Panthers lack of ambition.
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Post by joesteeler on Jan 14, 2016 12:36:24 GMT
Well what about this quote? ''Neil, who played for Steelers between 1992 and 1997, cleared his former club of any wrongdoing'' - you can't pick and choose just to suit your needs. Panthers made a move for this bloke a while back and again last week. But that story will never come out.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 14, 2016 12:46:29 GMT
Well what about this quote? ''Neil, who played for Steelers between 1992 and 1997, cleared his former club of any wrongdoing'' Rotten to the core
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Post by GuinnessMan on Jan 14, 2016 12:51:04 GMT
Don't hold back Joe, tell us more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 12:58:45 GMT
Well what about this quote? ''Neil, who played for Steelers between 1992 and 1997, cleared his former club of any wrongdoing'' - you can't pick and choose just to suit your needs. Panthers made a move for this bloke a while back and again last week. But that story will never come out. I'm not picking and choosing to suit my needs, what I was getitng at more than anything is that it was interesting that Scott Neil would clear Sheffield of doing anything wrong then later say that they hadbeen interested in him for a while implying that they had been in some variation of contact with either Hayes, his agent or Edinburgh about prizing him away. Here's a hypothetical set of events that could have taken place (pure speculation, but it doesn't seem outlandish): - Sheffield make an approach to Hayes agent about taking him from Edinburgh - Edinburgh rebuff this approach to keep there best player - Hayes is then disgruntled he can't move to a 'big club' and asks his agent to get him out - Hayes informs Edinburgh he has an offer from North America - Rather than lose out on the items listed in the article due to not being flush with cash Edinburgh have no choice but to accept Sheffields initial offer/approach - Scott Neil comes out and clears Sheffield of any wrongdoing in order to keep the peace in the EIHL (or is told to do so) And then in this article on the EIHL website you have Emmerson saying how surprised he was at how fast this all came about, conveniently fast if you ask me. I do think Scott Neil did what was best for the Caps in the situation he was presented with, however, there's enough out there in black and white to make me question how that situation arose in the first place. If they were shopping him around and Sheffield where the highest bidder that's a different story, but I've not seen anything of that ilk reported anywhere.
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Post by EMB on Jan 14, 2016 13:05:51 GMT
Imo that's more to do with forwards needing to be more defensively minded with their roles. Having 5 dmen has to make them responsible more than ever with defence zone time and losing Dimmen means we lose one of if not our best transition players. We've lost his outlet pass which makes it harder for us escape our zone and both him and Lee jump up with the play and losing two guys like that will effect the offenses productivity. Hayes has been almost invisible for a while, do we need another streaky player? It's not a good gamble for a team full of bad gambles to take. Having the chance to sign the leagues top scorer mid season and not going for it = The biggest possible show of lack of any ambition at all We dont know for certain that Panthers did go in for him (highly unlikely) even tho his best mate is Schultzy, the thing is Panthers offered him a contract at the beginning of the season and he refused because Caps offered him more money, he obviously came into this league not knowing and has travelled to the other rinks and thought OMG what have I signed up to & has now decided he wants to move to better things. If as rumoured he is a 'bad egg' in the dressing room then we don't want him anyway, look what happened to Rawlyk & he didnt last long either.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Jan 14, 2016 13:53:10 GMT
As far as rules go Sheffield haven't exactly done anything wrong by signing him. However making an approach through club/agent/player whilst under contract is surely breaching rules blatantly. You can't in any team sport just approach a player and given the direction the league wants to go in and the "professional" impression they wish to give, this shows nothing but a blissful ignorance to Sheffield's successful attempt to snatch a player up. Doesn't seem professional, seems pretty slimy after reading that.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Jan 14, 2016 14:26:33 GMT
Next time Caps play shuff will he be looking over shoulder every time Bigos or Flemington are on the ice?
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Post by nate24 on Jan 14, 2016 14:30:02 GMT
Well what about this quote? ''Neil, who played for Steelers between 1992 and 1997, cleared his former club of any wrongdoing'' - you can't pick and choose just to suit your needs. Panthers made a move for this bloke a while back and again last week. But that story will never come out. It will come out if you back your comment with evidence.
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Post by Mozzy on Jan 14, 2016 17:05:27 GMT
As far as rules go Sheffield haven't exactly done anything wrong by signing him. However making an approach through club/agent/player whilst under contract is surely breaching rules blatantly. You can't in any team sport just approach a player and given the direction the league wants to go in and the "professional" impression they wish to give, this shows nothing but a blissful ignorance to Sheffield's successful attempt to snatch a player up. Doesn't seem professional, seems pretty slimy after reading that. Would you like to provide a link to the rule that we have "blatantly" broken please? I'm not sure I've ever seen any rule that one team couldn't ask another team about a players availability. It's completely up to the other club what they want to do. He's a bad egg anyway, so what's it matter.
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Post by texpef on Jan 14, 2016 17:32:14 GMT
It was in the local rag that ALL teams have a "gentlemans agreement" obviously not enforceable by law but best for sustainability and parity of the league competition, however, clearly there are no gentlemen in Sheffield...
IMHO it is blatently obvious from statements that steelers touched up Haines well before he has actually left Edinburgh so its no surprise that his form has dipped forcing caps hand in this matter. Just because they had no choice does not make this right nor does it help the league maintain parity as it shows all that if one of the less well off clubs gets a star player don't expect to hold on to him for the season as Sheffield in particular will come knocking and disrupt your teams dynamics and in the end take the player..
Reminds me of the time when all teams had a wagecap agreement and of course Sheffield couldn't stick to that either..
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Post by dp on Jan 14, 2016 17:35:37 GMT
As far as rules go Sheffield haven't exactly done anything wrong by signing him. However making an approach through club/agent/player whilst under contract is surely breaching rules blatantly. You can't in any team sport just approach a player and given the direction the league wants to go in and the "professional" impression they wish to give, this shows nothing but a blissful ignorance to Sheffield's successful attempt to snatch a player up. Doesn't seem professional, seems pretty slimy after reading that. Would you like to provide a link to the rule that we have "blatantly" broken please? I'm not sure I've ever seen any rule that one team couldn't ask another team about a players availability. It's completely up to the other club what they want to do. He's a bad egg anyway, so what's it matter. Can't be bothered to search for it, but I remember reading about a rule that no Elite League club was allowed to sign a player from another Elite League club without that club's permission. This was specifically designed to stop the bigger clubs poaching the smaller clubs best players mid season. But it would allow for clubs to release a player and another club to pick them up. It allows for things like the Shields-Champagne (was it him?) trade, which was mutually agreed between both clubs, but doesn't allow for tapping up another team's player mid season. But that rule has probably gone now. And this is the problem with the league - Tony could have scrapped the rule last week without telling anyone. Maybe they agreed the rule change at the board (plus Simms) meeting earlier in the week to allow them to sign Hayes. Who knows?
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Post by Yotes on Jan 14, 2016 17:45:22 GMT
Can't be bothered to search for it, but I remember reading about a rule that no Elite League club was allowed to sign a player from another Elite League club without that club's permission. I think Mozzy's point is that Sheffield approached Edinburgh, rather than Hayes directly. I guess whether you believe that probably depends on how trustworthy you find the Steelers...
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