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Post by Optic on Jan 11, 2016 13:30:57 GMT
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Post by Yotes on Jan 11, 2016 13:55:24 GMT
Good CV. Show of intent from Cardiff.
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Post by GuinnessMan on Jan 11, 2016 14:10:22 GMT
Is that their 3rd spare import?
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jan 11, 2016 14:35:05 GMT
Starting to become a joke this, they keep bringing guys in really fast and yet we take months to cover 33% of our injuries. Clearly being shown a team gunning for the title and a team gunning for a profit
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Post by ted logan on Jan 11, 2016 14:47:41 GMT
Starting to become a joke this, they keep bringing guys in really fast and yet we take months to cover 33% of our injuries. Clearly being shown a team gunning for the title and a team gunning for a profit Couldn't have put it better. One of these teams has an average attendance of 2000, one averages 5000+
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Post by Mozzy on Jan 11, 2016 15:37:38 GMT
But, they can't play all these players at once. They may have spares but to keep them rotating and in the game will affect their lines. It may turn out to be great business but managing 3 healthy scratches per game, not easy.
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 11, 2016 15:40:48 GMT
But, they can't play all these players at once. They may have spares but to keep them rotating and in the game will affect their lines. It may turn out to be great business but managing 3 healthy scratches per game, not easy. Yet teams in leagues all over the world seem to manage it. Indeed, the threat of being a healthy scratch often inspires players to play harder/better. But no, that kinda thing could never work in the EIHL because..?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 11, 2016 15:42:57 GMT
But, they can't play all these players at once. They may have spares but to keep them rotating and in the game will affect their lines. It may turn out to be great business but managing 3 healthy scratches per game, not easy. Sorry mate but that is the daftest thing I have read all year. Apart from the fact that our lines change every ten minutes anyway every other league in the world seems to manage.
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Post by Mozzy on Jan 11, 2016 16:36:37 GMT
But, they can't play all these players at once. They may have spares but to keep them rotating and in the game will affect their lines. It may turn out to be great business but managing 3 healthy scratches per game, not easy. Yet teams in leagues all over the world seem to manage it. Indeed, the threat of being a healthy scratch often inspires players to play harder/better. But no, that kinda thing could never work in the EIHL because..? But this isn't any other league around the world, it's the EIHL with a player coach still learning his trade.
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Post by Mozzy on Jan 11, 2016 16:38:44 GMT
But, they can't play all these players at once. They may have spares but to keep them rotating and in the game will affect their lines. It may turn out to be great business but managing 3 healthy scratches per game, not easy. Sorry mate but that is the daftest thing I have read all year. Apart from the fact that our lines change every ten minutes anyway every other league in the world seems to manage. That's exactly the point. There's been enough criticism on here about CN constantly changing his lines being at least part of the reason why you don't get the success you believe. If that is the case then surely Andrew Lord will have the same issues in Cardiff. You can't have it both ways.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 11, 2016 16:42:36 GMT
There's a difference between a line changing between games, and changing several times a period.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 16:51:42 GMT
Can't fault the Devils for this signing. Will help their title push no end.
Here's a pertinent question. Would any of the other top 4/5 teams play with two dmen down for such a period of time like we have?
Of course they wouldn't. That says it all I'm afraid.
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Post by ted logan on Jan 11, 2016 16:54:51 GMT
I don't think anyone has asked for us to carry 3 spares have they?
Cardiff (despite an average gate of less than half ours) seem to be able to bring quality imports in even though they have a spare already (Smith). Of the 2 other 'arena teams' Sheffield have replaced injured players even though they have carried a spare all season (Hey) or even two? Belfast have carried a spare all season (Benedict/Mason) too.
We started the season, not with a spare. Not even with a full quota. We went in one short! We then failed to adequately replace a top import D-man (Waugh) who was out for 2 months and a top import forward (Schultz) who was out for 3 months. We then watched a combination of a patched up Wiikman struggling with a groin strain combined with Dan Green playing inconsistently for about a month. We are now playing 2 d-men down (Lee/Dimmen) with a forward (Mosey) on D - for 2-3 weeks and counting.
All this against a back drop of 'record crowds' and 'best fans in the league' BS/spin from GM.
How do other teams manage to carry spares and/or replace injured players whereas our management can't/won't do either?
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 11, 2016 17:03:10 GMT
But this isn't any other league around the world, it's the EIHL with a player coach still learning his trade. Firstly, Neilson isn't a player coach, hasn't been since the 2012-2013 season. Secondly, what has his coach/player coach status got to do with anything? As I touched upon, other teams around the world manage to run benches with healthy scratches, some of the teams having player coaches too (although, as I said, what has that got to do with anything?) The EIHL is a 'NA-style' league, packed full of largely NA-trained/experienced players. They will have played in teams where they have been healthy scratches, it is not a strange nor a new concept.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 17:03:59 GMT
Top post Ted, brilliant.
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Post by Mozzy on Jan 11, 2016 17:09:37 GMT
But this isn't any other league around the world, it's the EIHL with a player coach still learning his trade. Firstly, Neilson isn't a player coach, hasn't been since the 2012-2013 season. Secondly, what has his coach/player coach status got to do with anything? As I touched upon, other teams around the world manage to run benches with healthy scratches, some of the teams having player coaches too (although, as I said, what has that got to do with anything?) The EIHL is a 'NA-style' league, packed full of largely NA-trained/experienced players. They will have played in teams where they have been healthy scratches, it is not a strange nor a new concept. I'm talking about Lord, not CN.
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Post by Optic on Jan 11, 2016 17:09:56 GMT
I don't think anyone has asked for us to carry 3 spares have they? Cardiff (despite an average gate of less than half ours) seem to be able to bring quality imports in even though they have a spare already (Smith). Of the 2 other 'arena teams' Sheffield have replaced injured players even though they have carried a spare all season (Hey) or even two? Belfast have carried a spare all season (Benedict/Mason) too. We started the season, not with a spare. Not even with a full quota. We went in one short! We then failed to adequately replace a top import D-man (Waugh) who was out for 2 months and a top import forward (Schultz) who was out for 3 months. We then watched a combination of a patched up Wiikman struggling with a groin strain combined with Dan Green playing inconsistently for about a month. We are now playing 2 d-men down (Lee/Dimmen) with a forward (Mosey) on D - for 2-3 weeks and counting. All this against a back drop of 'record crowds' and 'best fans in the league' BS/spin from GM. How do other teams manage to carry spares and/or replace injured players whereas our management can't/won't do either? Nail > Head
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Post by Mozzy on Jan 11, 2016 17:19:24 GMT
I don't think anyone has asked for us to carry 3 spares have they? Cardiff (despite an average gate of less than half ours) seem to be able to bring quality imports in even though they have a spare already (Smith). Of the 2 other 'arena teams' Sheffield have replaced injured players even though they have carried a spare all season (Hey) or even two? Belfast have carried a spare all season (Benedict/Mason) too. We started the season, not with a spare. Not even with a full quota. We went in one short! We then failed to adequately replace a top import D-man (Waugh) who was out for 2 months and a top import forward (Schultz) who was out for 3 months. We then watched a combination of a patched up Wiikman struggling with a groin strain combined with Dan Green playing inconsistently for about a month. We are now playing 2 d-men down (Lee/Dimmen) with a forward (Mosey) on D - for 2-3 weeks and counting. All this against a back drop of 'record crowds' and 'best fans in the league' BS/spin from GM. How do other teams manage to carry spares and/or replace injured players whereas our management can't/won't do either? But wasn't it your clubs choice to go with a large Brit pack, lauded quite loudly as being the best in the league. Many of your Brits are of import quality, so isn't part of the reason things haven't worked because these import quality Brits just haven't done the business (yet). Based on that I can see why you went short on imports to start. Obviously your other points regarding netminding and running short on D now are very true. Clarke - Dowd Lahowicz - Phillips Farmer - Hewitt Betteridge - Ferrara Lee - O'Connor Swindlehirst - Oakford - Look at the strength of our Brit pack compared to yours. Dowd matches Clarke and O'Connor is better than Lee but that is where it stops. We've had to make sure our imports were kept at full strength just to even get close to your depth.
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 11, 2016 17:40:50 GMT
I'm talking about Lord, not CN. Then that makes it an even more bizarre statement. If an inexperienced player coach can manage healthy scratches then why can't Neilson?
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Post by iginla on Jan 11, 2016 17:41:54 GMT
Great move by the Devils,full credit to them. That now gives them an unbelievable 17 IMPORTS,although two are currently injured.
Shows the Panthers in the light it should though,a complete and utter make do and mend,wee wee take of an organisation. I have to admit, i am seriously wondering if I can be bothered to support this club any more !
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Post by kezypanther on Jan 11, 2016 17:58:06 GMT
Panthers currently have (if I counted correctly) 14 imports that's already 3 short of Devils.
Add to this that 3 are injured / not 100 % (wiikman, dimmen and Schultz)
Add to this AGAIN that our top brit D man is out.
Yet Devils can still strengthen but we can't. How is that even possible?
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Post by iginla on Jan 11, 2016 18:06:27 GMT
The only way it is possible Kezy.....is that Panthers are completely and utterly taking the pisss out of their fans !
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Post by PantherG on Jan 11, 2016 18:38:24 GMT
I don't think anyone has asked for us to carry 3 spares have they? Cardiff (despite an average gate of less than half ours) seem to be able to bring quality imports in even though they have a spare already (Smith). Of the 2 other 'arena teams' Sheffield have replaced injured players even though they have carried a spare all season (Hey) or even two? Belfast have carried a spare all season (Benedict/Mason) too. We started the season, not with a spare. Not even with a full quota. We went in one short! We then failed to adequately replace a top import D-man (Waugh) who was out for 2 months and a top import forward (Schultz) who was out for 3 months. We then watched a combination of a patched up Wiikman struggling with a groin strain combined with Dan Green playing inconsistently for about a month. We are now playing 2 d-men down (Lee/Dimmen) with a forward (Mosey) on D - for 2-3 weeks and counting. All this against a back drop of 'record crowds' and 'best fans in the league' BS/spin from GM. How do other teams manage to carry spares and/or replace injured players whereas our management can't/won't do either? The thing is Cardiff are selling out their rink every week, getting about 2.3k fans in the through the door... oh wait.. we have been getting in excess of 6k fans a game... I am guessing the Cardiff fans are paying about £60 per ticket and we must be giving most of our tickets away to inflate our attendances, can't think of any other reason as to why a team with a support a third of ours can bring in quality imports and replace guys who are injured.... yet we limp along all season and are yet to ice a team that has 13 imports. I am guessing the employing D men must be VERY expensive and that is why we have failed to sign one that we have desperately needed since September, apart from the brief visit from Hardy, who was not what we needed anyway!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 18:53:12 GMT
Here's a thought which Bagheera's post in another thread has prompted.
Have we overpaid for this squad...?!
Ling wouldn't have been cheap, Moran also. I bet Kolnik, Bohmbach, Schulz & Dimmen are paid well. Clarke will be paid as the top Brit, Lee also. Imagine prizing Swindlehurst out of Dundee wasn't free. Cam wouldn't have joined us for nothing, I bet he's up there as well. Logan came from Russia didn't he? Not forgetting the two import keepers we now have.....
Maybe Corey has plain overpaid.
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Post by Warren on Jan 11, 2016 19:09:51 GMT
The rumour doing the Rounds on Saturday is that Marsh is done, not specified as to season or Career, I hope its the former as never want to see a guys career ended, but that would mean its only 2 spare...
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