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Post by iginla on Jan 15, 2016 12:55:45 GMT
The top half of block 8 and 17 is where the freebies sit,Panthers own seats are above the entrance in block 12. Challenge cup game crowds are never very big,we have even played Sheffield before prior to the final and been lucky if it was two thirds full.
I would be surprised if there are many more than 3000 there for the Braehead game......but I hope there are far less than that !
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Post by Lawman on Jan 15, 2016 16:41:41 GMT
I think about 3000 is what we normally get for a home game in the quarter final of the challenge cup
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Post by Dan on Jan 15, 2016 17:23:31 GMT
Come on Dan,you are clutching at straws and losing the argument badly against some very good posts above. I am almost coming to the conclusion that you are finding ways to pick an argument on purpose here. I'm waiting for facts before I boycott the club. And I was clearly talking about a lack of imports THIS season shorty... ...and that's a fine and legitimate point. It is a little odd to start the season short, but there may be a reason for it. One season is hardly enough to throw all the toys out of the pram however...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 17:32:43 GMT
Another point over this Euro thing. I recall hearing Corey constantly mention 'getting faster' for the competition & we signed what I would describe as mercenary players. We then ended going in to a league campaign with a squad who didn't know each others name & lacking toughness. Didn't work out too well in the league did it..... Then again, as you say, it possibly wasn't the priority so that's OK then. As uninspiring as last years team was at times we were well in the title race until Cody Wild got injured in Coventry, that's when it went really tits up. Do you believe Corey is being given the best chance to win this season? I'd cite us starting short on imports, a perceived late replacement keeper signing & our current poor number of dmen with little sign of inclination to fix.
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Post by iginla on Jan 15, 2016 23:39:06 GMT
It's not a "little odd" to start the season an import short Dan,it's stupid and penny pinching and don't forget we were actually two imports short for a good while too,because Ling was very late getting here,which Panthers would have known was very likely to happen too.
And I've told you the reason for going one short,it was because Lacho messed them about in the summer so Black wouldn't pay the extra money for the 13th import !
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Post by shmyrohdear on Jan 15, 2016 23:41:58 GMT
It's not a "little odd" to start the season an import short Dan,it's stupid and penny pinching and don't forget we were actually two imports short for a good while too,because Ling was very late getting here,which Panthers would have known was very likely to happen too. And I've told you the reason for going one short,it was because Lacho messed them about in the summer so Black wouldn't pay the extra money for the 13th import ! He didn't "mess them about" we were actively happy to wait on his decision on what offers came through from NA or Europe. Don't blame him for looking around the market any british player would do so.
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Post by iginla on Jan 16, 2016 0:01:36 GMT
Yes he did Shmyro. He wanted to go to Europe,so Corey signed Swindlehurst instead,but Lacho didn't get any offers so decided late on he was coming back. Panthers had no choice but to sign him because Lacho had a clause in his previous contract,which he invoked.
Blame them all,Panthers for bad management jumping the gun and not checking contracts,Lacho for changing tack when he had nowhere abroad to go to and Mr Black for being a tightwad !
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Post by shmyrohdear on Jan 16, 2016 0:19:16 GMT
Yes he did Shmyro. He wanted to go to Europe,so Corey signed Swindlehurst instead,but Lacho didn't get any offers so decided late on he was coming back. Panthers had no choice but to sign him because Lacho had a clause in his previous contract,which he invoked. Blame them all,Panthers for bad management jumping the gun and not checking contracts,Lacho for changing tack when he had nowhere abroad to go to and Mr Black for being a tightwad ! Again, it isn't messing around looking at offers and no doubt we were happy with him returning regardless. Had he signed earlier the end result would have been exactly the same. One import down four import D. The start of the season league wise was almost perfect. The signing one less import has nothing to do with the rut we caught ourselves in it was the negligence to sign injury cover that's it.
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Post by iginla on Jan 16, 2016 0:59:44 GMT
Nothing wrong with looking around Shmyro. But it is messing around if you indicate you're going,so your team replace you with Swindlehurst,then you change your mind late in the summer and invoke a you have to re sign me clause, thus cocking up the teams plans.
Put it this way,if you have spent most of your budget with only enough left for one more guy,would you rather have Lacho or a good import,because they will cost you similar money.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jan 16, 2016 2:25:15 GMT
Why are so called fans boycotting a game? Granted we might not be winning every trophy available but what is a boycott going to do? We lose a few fans that really aren't fans of the club anyway? Forest won the first division and the European cup but now find themselves in the championship.. pretty sure most people that watch them lift those trophies still watch them in the championship?? Yeah, the club has problems but you are meant to be fans of the team.. either support the team or don't bother turning up to any more games following the one you boycott. Hideous 1st paragraph. Did not read on.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Jan 16, 2016 2:33:12 GMT
Why are so called fans boycotting a game? Granted we might not be winning every trophy available but what is a boycott going to do? We lose a few fans that really aren't fans of the club anyway? Forest won the first division and the European cup but now find themselves in the championship.. pretty sure most people that watch them lift those trophies still watch them in the championship?? Yeah, the club has problems but you are meant to be fans of the team.. either support the team or don't bother turning up to any more games following the one you boycott. Try reading the posts, you'll get your answer. We're all fans, ridiculous comment.
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 16, 2016 3:48:20 GMT
Why are so called fans boycotting a game? Granted we might not be winning every trophy available but what is a boycott going to do? We lose a few fans that really aren't fans of the club anyway? Forest won the first division and the European cup but now find themselves in the championship.. pretty sure most people that watch them lift those trophies still watch them in the championship?? Yeah, the club has problems but you are meant to be fans of the team.. either support the team or don't bother turning up to any more games following the one you boycott. Hideous 1st paragraph. Did not read on. 5 words and then I thought of calling him things which the swear filter would not approve of.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 16, 2016 6:41:13 GMT
Why are so called fans boycotting a game? Granted we might not be winning every trophy available but what is a boycott going to do? We lose a few fans that really aren't fans of the club anyway? Forest won the first division and the European cup but now find themselves in the championship.. pretty sure most people that watch them lift those trophies still watch them in the championship?? Yeah, the club has problems but you are meant to be fans of the team.. either support the team or don't bother turning up to any more games following the one you boycott. The village called. They want you back...
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 16, 2016 8:07:05 GMT
Please enlighten us on what makes a "real fan".
Somebody that turns up and parts with their hard earned cash every week, doesn't ever critisise the team or management, or players because they are proffesionals, we are not, so we arn't entitled to opinion. And why would we give it because it might upset somebody. As fans of the biggest supported club in the league we accept mediocrity because it's just sport and it doesn't matter if we win.
I've said it before somewhere. Do not confuse Critisism & discontent with what people want.
Most people posting here have been fans for a good while. Many have seen the bad, the good and the very bad times. But i'll put money on most of those big critics being there week in week out and making more noise in support of the team than the majority of fans in the building.
I'm not boycotting any game and although I don't particularly like Moran i'm not massively frustrated at the management. However people are entitled to THEIR opinion without "SUPERFANS" coming along telling them their not real fans.
Fed up on Self righteous types coming on with no opinion on whats happening and just shooting people down for having an opinion.
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Post by spik on Jan 16, 2016 9:17:20 GMT
People are boycotting (OR IF YOU LIKE, not going but mentioning their annoyance).....which is the same as just deciding not to go isn't it?
Yet it seems that if you mention your not going because your not happy with things... your not a real fan now? Many will be staying at home (but say nothing) yet feel equally as annoyed.
EDIT... sorry about the poor English, this annoys me..lol
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 16, 2016 9:25:17 GMT
Fan of the Nottingham Panthers. Not a fan of how the club is being run. They only care about making money so that is the only way to send them a message. We will all follow the team, cheer them on and hope they win. We will just do it with out supporting them financially, until they start treating the fans with respect.
If you want to go to all the games, buy all the shirts, good for you. But it doesn't make you a better fan. The size of support is not related to expenditure, this is something the org need to realise too.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Jan 16, 2016 11:31:56 GMT
Like so many threads on this forum this on has now gone down the same line as others in that it is now a debate as to what or who is a fan and what exactly constitutes a real fan - I have been a fan of "ICE HOCKEY" for as many years as I can remember and it just happens that my local team is the Panthers, would I support Devils or Steelers if I lived in Cardiff or Sheffield, or who would I support if I lived in Norwich or any other town miles from any EIHL team - Hypothetical questions - Could I support them if I moved - probably not with the same passion as Panthers as they are my home town team - Do I feel I am getting "value for money" from Panthers? - I enjoy hockey so yes - can they do better - definitely - will I miss a game to make a point - no - that would be "cutting my nose off to spite my face" - am I a fan, happy clapper, mug, or someone who does what he wants and not what others want him to do because they don't want to do it - decide for yourself but do not bother telling me I am not really interested - I will read other peoples comments on the forum as it is something to do and will comment if I think it is worth it and would expect anyone else to read and/or comment on any of my posts, but will that change my mind - guess the answer if you have an hour to waste
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Post by Rob Scott on Jan 16, 2016 11:35:43 GMT
I'm not interested but I still clicked on the thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2016 11:38:00 GMT
Why are so called fans boycotting a game? Granted we might not be winning every trophy available but what is a boycott going to do? We lose a few fans that really aren't fans of the club anyway? Forest won the first division and the European cup but now find themselves in the championship.. pretty sure most people that watch them lift those trophies still watch them in the championship?? Yeah, the club has problems but you are meant to be fans of the team.. either support the team or don't bother turning up to any more games following the one you boycott. I hope for your sake your 34 other posts were better than this one. Hideous.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2016 11:55:56 GMT
You'd think a County fan would recognize poor owners as well...
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Post by Gawdonbennett on Jan 16, 2016 12:48:27 GMT
Why are so called fans boycotting a game? Granted we might not be winning every trophy available but what is a boycott going to do? We lose a few fans that really aren't fans of the club anyway? Forest won the first division and the European cup but now find themselves in the championship.. pretty sure most people that watch them lift those trophies still watch them in the championship?? Yeah, the club has problems but you are meant to be fans of the team.. either support the team or don't bother turning up to any more games following the one you boycott. With all due respect you've obviously not read the whole thread (if any) so I'll help you there .............its NOT A BOYCOTT LOBBY or a call to arms. The title of the thread has a question mark (your 1st clue, I'm asking other members a question not making a statement). It was posted in response to fans comments on other threads suggesting that they were considering missing this game as a protest at the running of the club at management level, & it's very apparent lack of coherence with the fans & the injury cover folly (which I, rightly or wrongly, defined as a 'boycott'). It has nothing to do with the recent slump or how many trophy's we win or what the 'mighty' reds did 30 years ago (whose ave' attendance then was +30000 & ave' now is + 20000. = - 10000 fans watching them in the Championship ). Given that I had seen these comments repeated in more than 1 thread I was curious to find the depth of feeling on this & collate them in 1 thread, hence the next clue of the opening line "Thought I'd start this to gauge numbers & thoughts" (from the other threads). If I'd expanded that question chapter & verse to read "Thought I'd start this to gauge numbers & thoughts from comments on other threads blah blah blah waffle waffle waffle" I could've avoided any confusion but I guess whatever context is used there will always be a few who misinterpret it.
Inadvertently though I've managed to open a debate which is far broader than the original question & the viewing figures alone suggest it has reached more of an audience than any 'boycott' could accomplish, so objective achieved I suppose? Whatever our opinions may be on this topic it is clear that for some time there has been a growing discontent with events off ice amongst many fans who feel disenfranchised & taken for granted financially.
Sport is a business these days and any business that allows such things to fester and grow do so at their peril. The t.v. is full of reality shows highlighting this, Mary Portas, Gordon Ramsey etc'. Its clear that if you take your customers for granted & feed them fodder you will reap just rewards eventually. But crowds are growing? Yes they are on a casual basis but they will ebb and flow in response to what the club is achieving & attendances are up at most clubs across the EIHL as the sport grows in popularity. The core support of S.T. holders and long term regulars are fundamental to any club & it is from this section that the concerns are mainly being voiced. Fans are voicing their opinions because they care, want the best for their club, & wish to be heard. If the club management policy has been to continually ignore them & treat them with contempt then you could hardly blame them for considering missing a game, as the only option remaining, to show their feelings.
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Post by pantherdaveb on Jan 16, 2016 15:43:59 GMT
Why are so called fans boycotting a game? Granted we might not be winning every trophy available but what is a boycott going to do? We lose a few fans that really aren't fans of the club anyway? Forest won the first division and the European cup but now find themselves in the championship.. pretty sure most people that watch them lift those trophies still watch them in the championship?? Yeah, the club has problems but you are meant to be fans of the team.. either support the team or don't bother turning up to any more games following the one you boycott. Well said. I am a ST holder and will be going. They are my team and they need my support for a 1/4 CC game. Why on earth would any 'fan' decide to boycott a game because they feel they're being hard done by by the owners?! What does that do for the team, eff all that's what. No support for them to get through to semis?! Yes people are entitled to their opinions but boycotting an important home tie, in the cup where we have such a strong record of winning? And as for the comment from someone saying 'its a meaningless game'?!! What?!!! I've stayed away from this forum for ages due to the ridiculous arguments put on here at times but this is the ultimate thread, unbelievable! Don't worry, I won't be back on here, but I will be back at the NIC to support OUR team, to make sure that OUR team reach the semis. Pathetic, end of rant.
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Post by iginla on Jan 16, 2016 16:14:37 GMT
So what would you do Pantherdaveb,if next year Panthers said "we are going to go five imports short and just bring up some British lads from the EPL,because we know you fans will still turn up regardless. At what point do you say,I'm fed up with this team taking the mickey,because there's no real difference between five imports short or one,by going any less than the limit,or consistently playing short because of injuries,Panthers are not doing all they possibly can to win.
That's where some people are now,they are moaning simply because they care about the team and want to win. Some people will just put up with mediocrity and some won't,but for those that won't,how else are they supposed to show their disenchantment to the management ?
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 16, 2016 16:44:07 GMT
Why are so called fans boycotting a game? Granted we might not be winning every trophy available but what is a boycott going to do? We lose a few fans that really aren't fans of the club anyway? Forest won the first division and the European cup but now find themselves in the championship.. pretty sure most people that watch them lift those trophies still watch them in the championship?? Yeah, the club has problems but you are meant to be fans of the team.. either support the team or don't bother turning up to any more games following the one you boycott. Well said. I am a ST holder and will be going. They are my team and they need my support for a 1/4 CC game. Why on earth would any 'fan' decide to boycott a game because they feel they're being hard done by by the owners?! What does that do for the team, eff all that's what. No support for them to get through to semis?! Yes people are entitled to their opinions but boycotting an important home tie, in the cup where we have such a strong record of winning? And as for the comment from someone saying 'its a meaningless game'?!! What?!!! I've stayed away from this forum for ages due to the ridiculous arguments put on here at times but this is the ultimate thread, unbelievable! Don't worry, I won't be back on here, but I will be back at the NIC to support OUR team, to make sure that OUR team reach the semis. Pathetic, end of rant. I've got something shocking to tell you, you may want to sit down, but anyone who boycotts is just as much a 'fan' as you.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Jan 16, 2016 18:53:22 GMT
Well said. I am a ST holder and will be going. They are my team and they need my support for a 1/4 CC game. Why on earth would any 'fan' decide to boycott a game because they feel they're being hard done by by the owners?! What does that do for the team, eff all that's what. No support for them to get through to semis?! Yes people are entitled to their opinions but boycotting an important home tie, in the cup where we have such a strong record of winning? And as for the comment from someone saying 'its a meaningless game'?!! What?!!! I've stayed away from this forum for ages due to the ridiculous arguments put on here at times but this is the ultimate thread, unbelievable! Don't worry, I won't be back on here, but I will be back at the NIC to support OUR team, to make sure that OUR team reach the semis. Pathetic, end of rant. I've got something shocking to tell you, you may want to sit down, but anyone who boycotts is just as much a 'fan' as you. Your logic please
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