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Post by Yotes on Jan 16, 2016 19:21:31 GMT
Being a fan and attendance don't go hand in hand. If you care about the Panthers, you're a fan. Simple as that. No one would be on here if they didn't care about the team.
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 16, 2016 19:50:18 GMT
Being a fan and attendance don't go hand in hand. If you care about the Panthers, you're a fan. Simple as that. No one would be on here if they didn't care about the team.
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Post by Gawdonbennett on Jan 16, 2016 21:32:28 GMT
Why are so called fans boycotting a game? Granted we might not be winning every trophy available but what is a boycott going to do? We lose a few fans that really aren't fans of the club anyway? Forest won the first division and the European cup but now find themselves in the championship.. pretty sure most people that watch them lift those trophies still watch them in the championship?? Yeah, the club has problems but you are meant to be fans of the team.. either support the team or don't bother turning up to any more games following the one you boycott. Well said. I am a ST holder and will be going. They are my team and they need my support for a 1/4 CC game. Why on earth would any 'fan' decide to boycott a game because they feel they're being hard done by by the owners?! What does that do for the team, eff all that's what. No support for them to get through to semis?! Yes people are entitled to their opinions but boycotting an important home tie, in the cup where we have such a strong record of winning? And as for the comment from someone saying 'its a meaningless game'?!! What?!!! I've stayed away from this forum for ages due to the ridiculous arguments put on here at times but this is the ultimate thread, unbelievable! Don't worry, I won't be back on here, but I will be back at the NIC to support OUR team, to make sure that OUR team reach the semis. Pathetic, end of rant. So, that favourite restaurant you've been going to for the last 10 years decides to change their chef & menu but his food doesn't quite live up to the last one, prices have gone up & they now charge you £10 for corking that bottle instead of £1. The new waiter is abrupt & dismissive & everything you order is late arriving or doesn't turn up at all.
Thing is you love going there, been a regular for years, you know all the staff and they greet you like an old friend. So, on your way out you decide to drop a quiet word with the manager hoping he will listen to your concerns and value your return custom after all these years............& what does he do? He tells you what you can do with your custom as he slams the door shut behind you. But back you go next week because, after all, you love the place no matter what!
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 16, 2016 21:34:32 GMT
Just watching sky sports 2 documentary about Robert Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots. Amazing passion, open honest and determined to win at any cost. Great eye opener about how it should be done.
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Post by iginla on Jan 16, 2016 22:12:33 GMT
A bit like Tony Smith rather than Neil Black then Pantherdman !
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 16, 2016 22:32:05 GMT
I wouldn't go that far, Kraft still turns a profit but does it through continued success rather than by milking the fans and penny pinching.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Jan 17, 2016 11:47:00 GMT
Being a fan and attendance don't go hand in hand. If you care about the Panthers, you're a fan. Simple as that. No one would be on here if they didn't care about the team. Agree wholeheartedly with that - although I have my doubts about the loyalty of some of the posters on here who let their desire for a controversial comment cloud the issues
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 17, 2016 12:58:35 GMT
Being a fan and attendance don't go hand in hand. If you care about the Panthers, you're a fan. Simple as that. No one would be on here if they didn't care about the team. Agree wholeheartedly with that - although I have my doubts about the loyalty of some of the posters on here who let their desire for a controversial comment cloud the issues The controversial comments are those referring to 'fans' instead of fans. We are all fans if the club and the ridiculous true fans/superfans BS shows a complete lack of understanding for those who do wish to vent their frustration. No one is directing their anger to the players. Yes some performances have been dire and some boos have echoed around the rink, but most people are appreciative of the players and see bigger more fundamental problems in the way the organisation is run. Loving the team and hating the management.
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 17, 2016 13:17:07 GMT
The whole point is everybody is entitled to an opinion without being told their not a real fan etc. For me some of the constant barrage of critisism aimed at the management is bordering on obsession(Think Iginla is 1 step away from wearing a tinfoil hat to stop Neil Black reading his mind. Meant in the nicest possible way dude ). It is also frustrating when every thread is over taken with the same stuff over and over again. However they are entitled to have those feelings. And this is a forum to share thoughts. It'd be a pretty boring place if everybody agreed all the time. I don't want to get into the relms of saying some people are bigger fans than others, but you could argue that those that are prepared to boycott are bigger fans. These people are prepared to stay away from the team they love to show the management how much frustrated they are. They care enough to make that stand in the hope that THEIR team isn't abused and taken for granted. Obviously I don't actually think their bigger fans. Just making a point.
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 17, 2016 13:59:02 GMT
The whole point is everybody is entitled to an opinion without being told their not a real fan etc. For me some of the constant barrage of critisism aimed at the management is bordering on obsession(Think Iginla is 1 step away from wearing a tinfoil hat to stop Neil Black reading his mind. Meant in the nicest possible way dude ). It is also frustrating when every thread is over taken with the same stuff over and over again. However they are entitled to have those feelings. And this is a forum to share thoughts. It'd be a pretty boring place if everybody agreed all the time. I don't want to get into the relms of saying some people are bigger fans than others, but you could argue that those that are prepared to boycott are bigger fans. These people are prepared to stay away from the team they love to show the management how much frustrated they are. They care enough to make that stand in the hope that THEIR team isn't abused and taken for granted. Obviously I don't actually think their bigger fans. Just making a point. End of the day we all love the Panthers and that's why we care either way.
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Post by Mozzy on Jan 17, 2016 14:11:13 GMT
Well said. I am a ST holder and will be going. They are my team and they need my support for a 1/4 CC game. Why on earth would any 'fan' decide to boycott a game because they feel they're being hard done by by the owners?! What does that do for the team, eff all that's what. No support for them to get through to semis?! Yes people are entitled to their opinions but boycotting an important home tie, in the cup where we have such a strong record of winning? And as for the comment from someone saying 'its a meaningless game'?!! What?!!! I've stayed away from this forum for ages due to the ridiculous arguments put on here at times but this is the ultimate thread, unbelievable! Don't worry, I won't be back on here, but I will be back at the NIC to support OUR team, to make sure that OUR team reach the semis. Pathetic, end of rant. So, that favourite restaurant you've been going to for the last 10 years decides to change their chef & menu but his food doesn't quite live up to the last one, prices have gone up & they now charge you £10 for corking that bottle instead of £1. The new waiter is abrupt & dismissive & everything you order is late arriving or doesn't turn up at all.
Thing is you love going there, been a regular for years, you know all the staff and they greet you like an old friend. So, on your way out you decide to drop a quiet word with the manager hoping he will listen to your concerns and value your return custom after all these years............& what does he do? He tells you what you can do with your custom as he slams the door shut behind you. But back you go next week because, after all, you love the place no matter what!
I read this quite often. Comparing support of a sports team to choosing your favourite supermarket, coffee shop etc. It's totally different. Support of a sports team is on a completely different level to which restaurant you prefer.
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Post by Gawdonbennett on Jan 17, 2016 18:04:32 GMT
So, that favourite restaurant you've been going to for the last 10 years decides to change their chef & menu but his food doesn't quite live up to the last one, prices have gone up & they now charge you £10 for corking that bottle instead of £1. The new waiter is abrupt & dismissive & everything you order is late arriving or doesn't turn up at all.
Thing is you love going there, been a regular for years, you know all the staff and they greet you like an old friend. So, on your way out you decide to drop a quiet word with the manager hoping he will listen to your concerns and value your return custom after all these years............& what does he do? He tells you what you can do with your custom as he slams the door shut behind you. But back you go next week because, after all, you love the place no matter what!
I read this quite often. Comparing support of a sports team to choosing your favourite supermarket, coffee shop etc. It's totally different. Support of a sports team is on a completely different level to which restaurant you prefer.
Yep, I get your point too Mozzy & 9 times out of 10 would agree with you, but it was written as a double edged sword & in this instance a necessary comparable........as a parody of some of the issues raised it also begs the question of how much do you put up with before you turn and stand? Some fans (in all sports) like lemmings will without question follow their team to the edge of the cliff with a blind sense of loyalty, simply because they always have done. Nothing wrong with that but others will voice their concerns much sooner & stand their ground. Neither take makes us right or wrong or says we are worse/better fans than the other, it simply highlights the fact we are all different in how we deal with this type of situation in all aspects of life. It would be a whole new debate on whether we should view sport differently than life so lets not go there & just agree we're all different eh?
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Post by Dan on Jan 18, 2016 8:59:07 GMT
It's not a "little odd" to start the season an import short Dan,it's stupid and penny pinching and don't forget we were actually two imports short for a good while too,because Ling was very late getting here,which Panthers would have known was very likely to happen too. And I've told you the reason for going one short,it was because Lacho messed them about in the summer so Black wouldn't pay the extra money for the 13th import ! Are you Gary Moran? It's the only possible explanation for you knowing so much of the behind-closed-doors decisions and their motivations. You seem to know more than most of the players.
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Jan 18, 2016 10:06:17 GMT
because there's no real difference between five imports short or one Don't get me wrong, I agree with the sentiment of the post, but surely there is a pretty big difference between playing five imports short to playing 1 import short.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jan 19, 2016 11:08:30 GMT
I'm not attending but I really hope we can get a comfortable lead. It's probably our best chance of a trophy this season and when it comes to the league I'm in the anyone but Sheffield camp.
In Braehead get knocked out of the Cc it would slightly increase their chances of beating Sheffield in the league.
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Post by nate24 on Jan 19, 2016 11:20:29 GMT
Neil black vs Neil black. I wonder who will win?
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Post by Robbie Nud on Jan 19, 2016 12:53:16 GMT
The Neil black team that could take the grand slam or the Neil Black team that wont?
Team orders anyone.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 19, 2016 13:01:16 GMT
He'd probably prefer 1 each, keep more of the customers happy.
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Post by iginla on Jan 19, 2016 17:09:17 GMT
Spot on Yotes.
Have you seen the sly digs on the O/s about the crowd for the Braehead game. Lol.....You just knew the "spokeswoman" wouldn't be able to resist it !
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Post by pantherman66 on Jan 19, 2016 22:09:19 GMT
What did you expect iginla, you did set yourself up for it though. Does this say something about the impact 'the cage' actually has. I must say the comments about tomorrows game on the O/S did make me chuckle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 23:47:27 GMT
O/S comments seem fine to me..... Have I missed something here?
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Post by Panthers_44 on Jan 19, 2016 23:58:49 GMT
Spot on Yotes. Have you seen the sly digs on the O/s about the crowd for the Braehead game. Lol.....You just knew the "spokeswoman" wouldn't be able to resist it ! I wouldn't describe it as sly digs myself, to me it read a little like clutching at straws. Plenty of room left..... as expected - Well it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why, I doubt it would have been 'as expected' if it was close to selling out though. BUT, and let's just emphasize that little word like they do, what are they going to do about it? Probably nothing. And why? Because... 'There are already more people in the building than for the corresponding fixture last season'. Good way to handle it.... NOT! Seems to have a little bit of the attitude of 'nothing to see here folks, everything is fine' about it to me, well let's have it proved then if that's the case, surely to make a bold statement like that would suggest that they SHOULD have both numbers to provide evidence.
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 20, 2016 0:12:45 GMT
More people in the building beeing the key statement. Not "More tickets sold"
GM would go out and give out free tickets to every school in Nottingham just to say "I won". "Nothing to see here" "The minority on a small forun made no difference & don't represent the majority" "See Neil, Nothing to worry about. You know I Know WHAT IS BEST FOR BUSINESS"
All o.k until he checks the ££££
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Post by iginla on Jan 20, 2016 0:14:34 GMT
At least we know that they know. And that they read the cage,but we knew that anyway,even though they deny it.
Make no mistake,even if there weren't more tomorrow than last years corresponding fixture,Moran will make the crowd what he wants it to be,he's done it before,even at Sheffield games !
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 20, 2016 0:22:56 GMT
I have heard that if the attendance is particularly bad at game he is inclinded to think. Balls Neil won't be happy with this, lets put down this(whatever he deems acceptable. & this is nothing to do with the MOM numbers). Then I won't get a telling off.
As I say. How he gets away with it when the £££s don't match up I have no idea. Maybe he skims the odd few off bigger games to balance the books. Only guessing at this part.
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