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Post by iginla on Jan 12, 2016 17:50:30 GMT
So Dan. What you are saying is that you are happy with what we have and are doing and we should all be happy to sit back and watch smaller and less well off teams pick up trophies.
How do you explain several other teams winning the important trophy multiple times,remaining in business,whilst the biggest and most profitable by a country mile languishes in 4th or 5th place and doesn't even make play off weekend recently ?
As for treating the fans,I know exactly what GM thinks of them,he has told me first hand more than once. When you know that,it is extremely difficult to take it seriously when you hear him pontificating on a microphone or read what his "spokeswoman" says in print !!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 19:43:27 GMT
We've mopped up the dross & consistently failed to win the most important trophy. Hardly plus points for Corey's CV. Well, he has won the most important trophy. Mopping up the dross is a little harsh too, we've won competitive trophies and frequently performed when it matters. It's the smaller games that have cost us in the long run. He's won it once Dan, if the budget is as good as we believe it to be then it's not even close to a good enough return. I believe he's only in the job because he plays to GM's script.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 19:44:36 GMT
We've mopped up the dross & consistently failed to win the most important trophy. Hardly plus points for Corey's CV. Dross.....Seriously? I take it you have not bothered with any challenge cup games or playoff games if thats what you think they are. You probably have though. Cheered and celebrated with other fans and the teams when trophies have been won. Figure of speech, Shorty. We can win the less important trophies.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 20:54:14 GMT
Well, he has won the most important trophy. Mopping up the dross is a little harsh too, we've won competitive trophies and frequently performed when it matters. It's the smaller games that have cost us in the long run. He's won it once Dan, if the budget is as good as we believe it to be then it's not even close to a good enough return. I believe he's only in the job because he plays to GM's script. What if he's in the job because he meets the objectives set of him? Last year being somewhat of an exception we always put an exciting team on the ice which makes the fans come through the door. The last 2 years it was no secret priorities lay elsewhere with the Continental Cup and the CHL as opposed to the league (even though last year we won the toughest trophy of the lot to win).
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Post by Peacock on Jan 12, 2016 21:01:29 GMT
I'm looking forward to the additional seats to choose from... Zzzzzzz As a non-season ticket holder I rarely get the chance to sit down by the glass. I might be able to this time...obviously only if that's ok with you, as you seem to think your opinion is more worthy than mine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 21:14:54 GMT
He's won it once Dan, if the budget is as good as we believe it to be then it's not even close to a good enough return. I believe he's only in the job because he plays to GM's script. What if he's in the job because he meets the objectives set of him? Last year being somewhat of an exception we always put an exciting team on the ice which makes the fans come through the door. The last 2 years it was no secret priorities lay elsewhere with the Continental Cup and the CHL as opposed to the league (even though last year we won the toughest trophy of the lot to win). Then the objectives are completely wrong. The league should be the number one priority, always.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 22:00:27 GMT
What if he's in the job because he meets the objectives set of him? Last year being somewhat of an exception we always put an exciting team on the ice which makes the fans come through the door. The last 2 years it was no secret priorities lay elsewhere with the Continental Cup and the CHL as opposed to the league (even though last year we won the toughest trophy of the lot to win). Then the objectives are completely wrong. The league should be the number one priority, always. In the event of playing in the Continental Cup or CHL I completely disagree, they have to take priority as they're bigger than the EIHL (even if the CC is home to some of the worlds dodgiest officiating & organisation, as all EIHL teams participating have found out). This year the league should be a priority I agree, but if Corey is given the objective of 'win a trophy, any trophy' then the whole topic of importance is irrelevant. For what it's worth I think Corey has been suitably backed by management this season with the squad depth he's been allowed to sign. It's a much different approach to the revolving door policy of replacement imports we've operated under the last couple of years. If nothing else Corey deserves to see the year out, if he can't turn this around then it's time for a fresh voice behind the bench, whether that be Adey (although questions of recruitment ability still linger) or someone new to the league.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 22:13:01 GMT
Then the objectives are completely wrong. The league should be the number one priority, always. In the event of playing in the Continental Cup or CHL I completely disagree, they have to take priority as they're bigger than the EIHL (even if the CC is home to some of the worlds dodgiest officiating & organisation, as all EIHL teams participating have found out). This year the league should be a priority I agree, but if Corey is given the objective of 'win a trophy, any trophy' then the whole topic of importance is irrelevant. Not sure how you can prioritize competitions you know you have no chance of winning. What's the remit for success in this? Don't suck too bad? If Corey is given a priority of 'Win a trophy, any trophy' then again the priority is wrong. With the crowds & subsequent money the Panthers rake in we should be consistently challenging for & winning the league title. Either Corey isn't given the best chance to win or he has blown his budget on this squad. It's tough to tell which to be honest. A new coach is definitely needed though.
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Post by iginla on Jan 12, 2016 22:28:13 GMT
It's both Jordan.
I'm told Corey is crap at recruiting,so that's one issue.
The second is Mr Black sticking his fingers in the player pie and refusing to pay what is the going wage for player A or player B etc on the thinking he knows that players worth better. Can you remember the year we had Zion ? This was the ultimatum Corey was given by Mr Black part way through the season..........."get rid of either Zion or Galbraith,you choose which" ! I don't know why,but that was the ultimatum and Zion was gassed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 22:43:44 GMT
In which case how has he kept the job for so long?
Zion was crap. Although that was my first season attending so I may well have misjudged him.
You seem to know much Iginla, I don't want to get in to the ITK thing again with you. There's no need.
Can I ask you who you believe it at fault most? Black, Moran or Corey?
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Post by Shorty on Jan 12, 2016 23:04:01 GMT
Have a look at the Zion thread and it's like a time machine.
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Post by iginla on Jan 12, 2016 23:21:36 GMT
Zion was at Sheffield the year before Jordan and to be fair he looked a good player. The problem was,when we got him the year after he was crap and not the same,never seen a player go downhill so fast. The ultimate decision was correct,but the way of doing it,coming from Black was not,Corey should have made that decision off his own back.
If I had to blame one of the three for Panthers woes,it would be Moran,because in my opinion he is the one who greatly holds the club back. Secondly,it would be Corey,because he is just so stubborn,except with Moran,because he knows cross him and he will get stabbed like many before ! Thirdly Mr Black,because whilst I don't begrudge him a good profit,I simply don't believe he spends anywhere near what he easily could.
Believe me,an extra £3k a week on the player budget would make a massive difference to the quality of imports we could sign.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Jan 13, 2016 0:02:26 GMT
I find it most frustrating that had they bothered to form communication with the fans, this wouldn't be happening and it most certainly wouldn't go as far as us all planning to ditch games and possibly post banners up.
The biggest slap in the face, for me at least, is the lack of interest this club has with letting us know what is going on. Rarely told about injuries until way after. All we get are the over used media spin lines and tickets tickets tickets. It is disgraceful.
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Post by iginla on Jan 13, 2016 0:13:36 GMT
Correct Shmyro. For instance......what the hell is happening with Dimmen,we have been told virtually nothing
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Post by PantherG on Jan 13, 2016 0:24:25 GMT
Correct Shmyro. For instance......what the hell is happening with Dimmen,we have been told virtually nothing Why would they, if they said he will be out for six weeks even the happy clappers would probably get restless and that would mean the club would be under pressure to bring in another D, one that we need anyway. I bet the club are furious that they had to bring in an extra netminder and the costs involved, they were really backed into a corner with that on after the shambles against Coventry.
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Post by iginla on Jan 13, 2016 0:40:01 GMT
Correct again Panther G..........Why would THEY. The fact the fans might like to know matters not a toss to Panthers,but it's exactly the sort of cloak and dagger stuff that racks the fans off.
And did you clock the recent Madolora tv interview where he dropped out he only got a call from Corey a week before he got here. Yet Panthers reckoned they had been working on a goalie for ages.....yeah right,I know who I believe on that one,bearing in mind Panthers had been in contact with Madolora pre season but went with Wiikman !
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Post by Rob Scott on Jan 13, 2016 0:50:44 GMT
Rather than a boycott what about a buyout?
Several football clubs have been bought out and are now run by supporter groups.
After all, If Black isn't making that much profit it wouldn't cost too much to buy him out....
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Post by shmyrohdear on Jan 13, 2016 0:55:49 GMT
Correct Shmyro. For instance......what the hell is happening with Dimmen,we have been told virtually nothing Why would they, if they said he will be out for six weeks even the happy clappers would probably get restless and that would mean the club would be under pressure to bring in another D, one that we need anyway. I bet the club are furious that they had to bring in an extra netminder and the costs involved, they were really backed into a corner with that on after the shambles against Coventry. None of that even matters, the fact is that this is not how you operate as a professional sports organisation. They have social media guys and someone to relay information through the website. We get the same old boring mess from Moran every week and it's embarrassing. What's the point in even having that website? May as well use ticketmaster to sell match night tickets because not a lot else is used on that site and we certainly don't seem to care either.
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Post by spik on Jan 13, 2016 1:37:40 GMT
I think the objective here was to find how people felt about things as regards play/the running of team/club and if people were tiring of it all. People have said how silly a thread/idea of boycott etc...
I seem to think from the amount of chat/interest AND coming to this thread of names to comment (not usually commenting) that it was worth asking the question.It also seems evident, however small the forum is compared to a fan base/ game crowd that quite a lot feel aggrieved.
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Post by wysiwyg17 on Jan 13, 2016 7:32:42 GMT
Believe me,an extra £3k a week on the player budget would make a massive difference to the quality of imports we could sign. I'm sure an extra 84k a year would help but is completely unreasonable to ask for and likely well out of what other clubs spend. The wage cap no longer exists but that doesn't mean it was a bad thing. It's likely that there is now a gentleman's agreement when it comes to wage cap, it keeps the league competitive and means smaller teams are interested in actually being in the EIHL. As I've mentioned previously on this thread for me I've always been a Corey supporter but his time is up. We're out coached constantly. Teams work out how to play against us and we have no plan B. Play high with a half decent forechecking and we haven't got a clue. We never have a plan B and that has to change. He shows his ineptitude with the line mixing and although everyone was excited about Ling/Kolnic/Moran that was against Edinburgh. For two games now they've not worked, the reason was plain to see vs Edinburgh they were skating round statues vs more mobile teams they don't carry enough speed. Everyone could see it and he should have known that.
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Post by Ian on Jan 13, 2016 9:07:55 GMT
Rather than a boycott what about a buyout? Several football clubs have been bought out and are now run by supporter groups. After all, If Black isn't making that much profit it wouldn't cost too much to buy him out.... Keep buying them lottery tickets. Or the Steelers 50/50.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jan 13, 2016 10:15:58 GMT
Rather than a boycott what about a buyout? Several football clubs have been bought out and are now run by supporter groups. After all, If Black isn't making that much profit it wouldn't cost too much to buy him out.... Keep buying them lottery tickets. Or the Steelers 50/50. I thought we didn't make much profit? If we're not making much profit it would take much to buy it would it?
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Post by Shorty on Jan 13, 2016 10:50:55 GMT
According to Iginla we are making a fortune. Nobody in the right mind would sell on that basis.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Jan 13, 2016 10:51:50 GMT
This is a quote from CN in the post: -
So he admits that the D is short, and it's costing us, but will / is he doing anything about it? Doesn't look like it apart from getting bodies back.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jan 13, 2016 11:05:53 GMT
According to Iginla we are making a fortune. Nobody in the right mind would sell on that basis. What do you think?
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