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Post by Warren on Jan 11, 2016 19:04:35 GMT
Having been a ST holder for the past 10 years, Part of the "Pandas" in Block 11, Spent a few Seasons missing 1 or 2 games away and all home games Been in the first 3 of the PO ticket queue nigh on every season, I can safely say that I wont be going. (nor my wife and quite a few others i know) - Also won't be doing Playoffs but thats a valid reason, Warren Jnr is due the week before, and I want time with him, so the sofa and Premier sports it is.
The reason i don't do stand alone games? I just don't do stand alone games any more (missed the last final when we won Challenge Cup). hey I still cheer the goals, join in the chants (can't abide the "Just can't get enough" chant though, its not ours. Its a football song) I Was as hardcore "True fan" as you like, but I have been worn down. so many seasons of "What if's". So many squads that could beat every team out there if they tried, but loose at home to a poor Edinburgh side.
Now I don't believe in this we should win every game stuff either. Why do I applaud the "Lower teams" off the ice? usually no matter what the result they have played for the entire 60 minutes, even when they are 5 goals down they seem to give a toss. If Panthers did this and lost, as much as it would hurt, but at least you can have pride that everything was done to win the game but we were out played.
Finally... If anyone has seen the Will Farrell film Semi-Pro? If not do. i have added a quick youtube video below. This years "Flower give away" (read the last thing a player wants to do after a tough defeat) always reminds me of this film.
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Post by titch on Jan 11, 2016 19:21:04 GMT
I was not going to come to the game due to it being a mid week game but I've caved in and purchased the tickets! Saying that, it doesn't look like many people are going!
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Post by pantherman66 on Jan 11, 2016 19:39:51 GMT
titch this forum has a tiny minority of the overall Panthers fanbase, and not everyone who posts on here is in the 'I am not going camp', so don't expect to be the only one there. A lot of fans will not attend this game for purely financial reasons.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 11, 2016 19:43:45 GMT
It may well not happen, but it would be interesting to see the reaction on here. if we did win the league this year lol. That's why we all go every week and follow the Panthers all over the UK. Make absolutely no mistake about that at all
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Post by craighead on Jan 11, 2016 19:53:59 GMT
It may well not happen, but it would be interesting to see the reaction on here. if we did win the league this year lol. We'd love it ; we are fans that are hurting that's all. We wouldn't have been proven wrong. We know we have potentially got the best team in the league. We are just not giving ourselves the best chance to win the league. End of.
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Post by ted logan on Jan 11, 2016 20:42:13 GMT
It may well not happen, but it would be interesting to see the reaction on here. if we did win the league this year lol. I'd be over the moon/delighted/happy as Larry (whoever Larry is). Do you seriously think that because people aren't happy with the way the club is run, that they don't want the club to be successful? Quite the opposite. If we win the league then feel free to find me in the nearest pub, celebrating with a beer and a slice of humble pie. We all want the team/club to succeed, its just a difference of opinion amongst us all as to how we get there.
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Post by pantherchris on Jan 11, 2016 21:00:47 GMT
ST holder, I will be there, purely because I enjoy watching ice hockey, I will be there when we are playing well and I'll be there if we haven't won a game all year. We as hockey fans are lucky to have a local side. Simple
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Post by Gawdonbennett on Jan 11, 2016 21:03:06 GMT
I'll be going, as i go to every home game and as i have done pretty much since i started going. Panthers are in a rough patch, Corey is working on it, he's getting more and more frustrated as each game comes and goes. That being said, there's not a thing i'd change about the team its self, the only things that need changing is GM and the Panthers office staff. The game is on a Wednesday too and if there is only a crowd of 3000-4000 which is a bit below average compared to recent games, and cite the reason as being down to this ridiculous boycott attempt, then you're stupid. Still early in the new year, it's a week day and it'll probably be cold and wet, all of those things will see crowd numbers drop somewhat. Collectivley, i'd be surprised if this attempt of boycott saw any more than 30 people not go. It's not even like we've slipped right off the end of the table either, 8 points off top, 3 games in hand, if Cardiff drop 2pts and we win our games, we're level. Our performance levels have been shockingly poor but writing off the season when there's still so much to be played and considering how tight the table is, even with our run of absolutley awful form.. that has to tell you something. Last night, the arena was dead, i haven't heard it that dead for ages, you could hear the players talking to each other from the top of each block it was that quiet. Bohmbach's PS Goal, raised the roof off of the arena, the shift after that goal, we played very well and pilled a tonne of pressure on the Fife D and goal, the fans started getting loud and it impacted the players in an inspirational way, lifted their spirits and gave them a big morale boost despite still being a goal down. We need to drop all of this 'i'm not going anymore, we aren't winning' glory hunting bull crap and actually give the guys a bit more support than we have so far, they need it and hearing boo's and abuse from their own fans is going to do nothing but make their morale sink even lower and give them the attitude where they feel they don't have give 100% anymore because the fans are against them, so why should they put a show on. It's not a boycott 'attemp' ( maybe my choice of wording could have been better ). It's simply a poll of those deciding not to go which has been mentioned on a few other thread's...............My intention, as stated in the intro' was to gauge numbers in 1 thread. It's not a revolt or attempted coups d'etat.
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Post by Gawdonbennett on Jan 11, 2016 21:19:49 GMT
My head says no but i have my tickets and they are my team - always have been always will be ..... If i have the time and the money i will go . I now await slagging off for being loyal to a fault :-) I`m not blind to the abysmal run but as i said they are my team . Cheers see you all at the game ! No slagging off from me malsbloke. This is a forum after all, the idea of which is to offer opinions from all sides with respect being shown for all our opinions. And I respect you for yours. The intention of this thread was to collate in 1 place the number's not intending to go as it was discussed on a few other threads. Cheers
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Post by Peacock on Jan 11, 2016 21:31:17 GMT
I'm looking forward to the additional seats to choose from...
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Post by Rob Scott on Jan 11, 2016 21:33:19 GMT
I'm looking forward to the additional seats to choose from... Zzzzzzz
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Post by Gawdonbennett on Jan 11, 2016 22:06:12 GMT
Anyway getting the thread back in the direction it was intended 2 more season ticket holders not going. The management of this club over the last month has been a shambles and this is my opportunity to show dissatisfaction. This is the whole point everybody. It's not about the ego of any individual or collective group. Clearly there is a growing disquiet about how the club is run at the moment, and for some time now. It's not about hurting the players or coach and the comments on other threads are directed solely at the management especially the ineptitude in covering injuries. It's clear some players injuries have been exacerbated by playing them unfit or too early after recovery (Wiikman, Shultz) instead of finding cover as our rivals have. There is NO expectation to win all games and all trophy's, just a desire to be competitive and protect injured players. Win or lose I always applaud the team AND our opponents off the ice and have NEVER boo'd. Granted 'boycott' was a poor choice of wording & I apologise for that, but it was in the wee hours when I put it up (half asleep) . A forum for me is where folk exchange views respectfully whether we agree or not. On this occasion many long term fans have decided to undertake a silent protest by not attending, not lightly it seems and in many cases with a heavy heart. I for one would encourage all to share how else discontented views can be presented without having to miss a game? Cheer's all
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 22:30:30 GMT
I'm looking forward to the additional seats to choose from... Two posts in this thread, both were pure gold. Big question, can you complete the hat-trick?
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Post by Gawdonbennett on Jan 11, 2016 22:38:15 GMT
Now this is a fun thread..... Can't help but feel slightly responsible for it occurring. Fantastic. Not an ST holder but I won't be attending this game. For the record I think it's the correct kind of gesture & the only way the management will potentially take any notice. Today Cardiff signed another player for their title push, we are still running 5 dmen & have only just got a keeper in. Farcical. There's no way we are giving this group of good players the best chance of winning. lol, thanks for sharing the flack Jord! My shoulders are broad though ( as broad as my ego at least ). Well if the intention was to broaden the debate nobody could argue that this hasn't been achieved!
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Post by Ian on Jan 12, 2016 9:55:54 GMT
Been thinking about this a lot since yesterday and reading the contributions with interest. It's good to take a snapshot of how people are feeling about the club at the moment and their reasoning.
As mentioned in my previous response on this thread, I won't be attending the game but mainly due to difficulties generally getting to midweek fixtures, especially Wednesdays, rather than on any principle.
Although I am not quite as devoted as I once was - the result of marriage to a non-hockey fan, responsibilities as a business and home owner and living 50 odd miles from Nottingham among other things - I would definitely put myself in the category of a die-hard Panthers supporter. Having said that, I know that I tend to be critical of poor performances (I do not accept below par performance by anybody being paid to do any job, it's not just hockey). I've argued long and hard over the years that this criticism is not incompatible with being a "true fan", quite the opposite in fact as demanding excellence is an expression of how much I care.
Anyway, what I see on this thread (and pick up from conversations and general atmosphere around recent matches) is that there are plenty of other people who have similar feelings of frustration and anger. Not putting hands in pockets for additional tickets is a way they feel they can express this. Whether enough people will do this for it to make any noticeable impact on the club is debatable, but fair play for making that decision. The more I think about it, though, the more I come to believe a boycott is not the answer. If - as people are widely suggesting - the Panthers management is only interested in money and doesn't want to listen to any criticism, they would surely be rubbing their hands together in glee at the prospect of critical and questioning fans staying away. An arena full of fans who will clap and cheer whatever happens and never voice any negative comments about the club would be their idea of heaven. If you want to be really cynical, you might even suggest it is their objective but let's not go there. Essentially, what I'm saying is that for any positive change to come it needs dissenting voices in the arena, in the pubs and on social media. Otherwise it's just a love-in and everything will carry on as it is.
As I say, my intention is not to question the motives or dedication of anyone who isn't stumping up for the Braehead game or any other, simply to raise an alternative perspective.
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Post by Dan on Jan 12, 2016 10:02:18 GMT
Think this is all a bit much for my 2p. Imagine back when we were REALLY crap. When we were a new, yet to be established English team when the Scottish and North-East teams ruled? Or in the ISL era, when we were a low budget rink team? As a well established arena team, shouldn't we expect better? Shouldn't we be doing better? One title in the EIHL/NIC era? As opposed to 4 each for Sheffield and Coventry, 3 for Belfast. Yes, league titles are a bit pants but as I said elsewhere - we've won half the available trophies in the past 5 years. We'd all love more league titles but protesting when you've won as many trophies as the rest of the league combined? It all strikes me as a little knee-jerk, especially when we don't know many of the facts. It'd make the world of difference if Corey or GM actually clarified why replacements aren't forthcoming.
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Post by iginla on Jan 12, 2016 11:05:57 GMT
It would make the world of difference Dan IF they actually clarified ANYTHING ! Instead they sit there in the ivory tower,only interested in money,crowds,when the next shirt auction is,how many books and calendars have been sold etc etc,however as for actually interacting and building a relationship with the fans......forget it !
What they should be doing is,coming up with some ideas to get the fans behind them. Mr Black should be showing his face too,an open forum for the fans to attend,no questions barred and not agreed beforehand,get Corey there too and maybe a few things can be explained instead of keeping the fans in the dark. Sheffield do it,their owner attends these things,Simmsey regularly attends fan nights etc,they are approachable and obviously care.
What do we get ? An owner we rarely see who hides in the shadows most of the time,an arrogant GM who treats fans with disdain and an organisation who take their loyal supporters for granted and give the impression they don't want to win !
The one thing they cannot seem to see,is that nothing sells tickets like a winning team,if we had one then the NIC would be selling out. As so called businessmen,you would think they would know that.......obviously not !!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 12:29:51 GMT
When we were a new, yet to be established English team when the Scottish and North-East teams ruled? Or in the ISL era, when we were a low budget rink team? As a well established arena team, shouldn't we expect better? Shouldn't we be doing better? One title in the EIHL/NIC era? As opposed to 4 each for Sheffield and Coventry, 3 for Belfast. Yes, league titles are a bit pants but as I said elsewhere - we've won half the available trophies in the past 5 years. We'd all love more league titles but protesting when you've won as many trophies as the rest of the league combined? It all strikes me as a little knee-jerk, especially when we don't know many of the facts. It'd make the world of difference if Corey or GM actually clarified why replacements aren't forthcoming. What do you class as the most important trophy to win, Dan? The league or the play off's? Actually, I'll raise a thread.
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Post by Dan on Jan 12, 2016 14:36:07 GMT
It would make the world of difference Dan IF they actually clarified ANYTHING ! Instead they sit there in the ivory tower,only interested in money,crowds,when the next shirt auction is,how many books and calendars have been sold etc etc,however as for actually interacting and building a relationship with the fans......forget it ! You act like this is the norm! I think personally you're expecting the unrealistic. Nobody does that, some clubs are a bit better (Cardiff seem to be doing well for now) but nobody really links with their fans and nobody ever really has either. You seem to be angry that the Panthers are run like a business, it's exactly what we are and is exactly why we've had no disruption at all over the past two decades. No football clubs do it, no NHL clubs do it, why do the Panthers get such uninterrupted moaning for acting the same as virtually every professional sports club? Simms? Approachable? This is David Simms you mean? The most hated man in UK hockey!? He's the most arrogant man I've met in UK hockey history. Why do they need to do all this? The club is competitive on the ice, they're profitable off it and from a purely neutral perspective we're the best, most stable club in the history of the sport in the UK. We've won a bucket load of trophies and haven't finished below 4th in the league in memory. It's not that bad! We're having a disappointing season but context man - context! This is nowt but slightly tired hyperbole. You keep saying that they treat the fans with disdain but offer no actual substance to the claims except that you 'know stuff'. They treat the fans as 99.9% of clubs in the world do. Tickets are pretty cheap, the Panthers squad is always at least at a 'good' standard and mostly better and we've won as many trophies as everyone else combined in the past 5 years. It's not perfect this year but you're hugely over-reacting. Average Attendances:2012/13 Grand Slam Winning Team - 5,070 2015/16 Current Team - 5,628
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Post by Dan on Jan 12, 2016 14:40:06 GMT
Yes, league titles are a bit pants but as I said elsewhere - we've won half the available trophies in the past 5 years. We'd all love more league titles but protesting when you've won as many trophies as the rest of the league combined? It all strikes me as a little knee-jerk, especially when we don't know many of the facts. It'd make the world of difference if Corey or GM actually clarified why replacements aren't forthcoming. What do you class as the most important trophy to win, Dan? The league or the play off's? Actually, I'll raise a thread. Why? It's obviously the league and I said we ought to probably win more league titles but you can't argue with the cup totals. We've mopped up.
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 12, 2016 15:07:23 GMT
...You act like this is the norm! I think personally you're expecting the unrealistic. Nobody does that, some clubs are a bit better (Cardiff seem to be doing well for now) but nobody really links with their fans and nobody ever really has either. You seem to be angry that the Panthers are run like a business, it's exactly what we are and is exactly why we've had no disruption at all over the past two decades. No football clubs do it, no NHL clubs do it... Not quite true. Crystal Palace FC have a very open relationship with their fans, with the CPFC2010 ownership group regularly hosting Q&A sessions with fan groups (such as the Holmsdale Fanatics). They also make many concessions to fan groups to help improve the match day experience for all, such as team funded away coaches, allowing fans pretty much carte blanche in organising themselves within the ground to better create an atmosphere and others. What did the Panthers Organisation do when fans tried to organise themselves to create a better match night experience? Bump up the ticket prices in the (generally under-used) block the organisation set aside/recommend for said fans to use! Anyone know why Block 18 (and 19) are 'silver' blocks when the identical blocks at the other end are bronze ones? Incredible Jeff.
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Post by texpef on Jan 12, 2016 15:17:51 GMT
Don't forget ban musical instruments and have scrapped the supporters club when they found they could make a buck..
Looking after the "best fans in the league" there aren't they..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 15:41:15 GMT
What do you class as the most important trophy to win, Dan? The league or the play off's? Actually, I'll raise a thread. Why? It's obviously the league and I said we ought to probably win more league titles but you can't argue with the cup totals. We've mopped up. We've mopped up the dross & consistently failed to win the most important trophy. Hardly plus points for Corey's CV.
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Post by Dan on Jan 12, 2016 16:40:00 GMT
Why? It's obviously the league and I said we ought to probably win more league titles but you can't argue with the cup totals. We've mopped up. We've mopped up the dross & consistently failed to win the most important trophy. Hardly plus points for Corey's CV. Well, he has won the most important trophy. Mopping up the dross is a little harsh too, we've won competitive trophies and frequently performed when it matters. It's the smaller games that have cost us in the long run.
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Post by Shorty on Jan 12, 2016 17:26:18 GMT
Why? It's obviously the league and I said we ought to probably win more league titles but you can't argue with the cup totals. We've mopped up. We've mopped up the dross & consistently failed to win the most important trophy. Hardly plus points for Corey's CV. Dross.....Seriously? I take it you have not bothered with any challenge cup games or playoff games if thats what you think they are. You probably have though. Cheered and celebrated with other fans and the teams when trophies have been won.
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