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Post by wgray on Nov 29, 2015 21:55:33 GMT
Unfortunately as much as we want to win every game we aren't going to and tonight was a prime example of one you aren't going to win.
To battle it out with Cardiff last night, in Cardiff, then to come home the following day to face another tough team, our biggest rivals, who had an extra day's rest since they last played and you can start to understand the test we were up against, but it's the same for other teams so it's just unfortunate the way it fell.
If the blame is to be placed on anyone it should be the club who, as per usual, were more bothered about money than the results on the ice, had this match been on a Thursday night as it was originally arranged to be it could be argued that the result might have gone a different way.
Some positives from the night, we had the place rocking in the third, the most noise I have ever heard in the place, we are top of the league, our title rivals dropped points and we've got two key players to come back into the line up!
Every one relax, it's not all doom and gloom
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Post by pantherlee on Nov 29, 2015 22:07:11 GMT
It wasn't a bad game for the panthers it was just one terrible period. Thought the first was even and we battered them in the third but the game was as good as lost after the second. Not too worried though, the fact that we nearly overturned that deficit shows the fighting quality this team has it should stand us in good stead for the rest of the season
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Post by nate24 on Nov 29, 2015 23:49:03 GMT
It wasn't a bad game for the panthers it was just one terrible period. Thought the first was even and we battered them in the third but the game was as good as lost after the second. Not too worried though, the fact that we nearly overturned that deficit shows the fighting quality this team has it should stand us in good stead for the rest of the season Shhhh, people are enjoying being melodramatic. Corey out, rabble rabble, why haven't we got 26 imports? Rabble rabble.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 8:20:12 GMT
Well that was horrific!!! End of the 1st I believe it was when Fitzgerald was offering any Panther to go center ice with him, instead we seemed more interested in chasing the likes of Roy, Hewitt and other nonentity's round the ice, the players should have gone and butchered Fitzgerald!!! And bless our new 88 he looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights I take it you missed Cam going over to Fitzgerald at the end of the 1st then? Cam had a linesman draped all over him preventing anything from happening. Keeping Fitzgerald on the ice was in our interest aswell, no point them fighting and both getting misconducts because we'd be down a better player. Our first goal on the PP, Fitzgerald got pre-occupied cross checking someone in the corner allowing Farmer to skate out in front and tee up Mosey, the guy's a liability. Thought Hardy was bang average (and that's a stretch), lost his man twice in the opening 2 shifts (1 goal, 2nd one where Roy barrelled into Wiikman). And he was +/- -3 after 27 minutes. How he ended up out there against Roy is baffling though seeing as we had last change due to being at home, that's on the coaching.
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Post by BigLad on Nov 30, 2015 10:01:48 GMT
We looked as though we were skating through tar at times, so far off the pace it was unreal.
Makes you wonder why they didn't leave the Cardiff game as the Sunday one and leave this game on the Thursday night.
No complaints about the result. Roll on Belfast.
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Post by Dan on Nov 30, 2015 10:31:19 GMT
Lost to the side who actually wanted it for 60 minutes, not just 5. I've never seen such a haphazard, error filled performance in my life. They didn't look like they'd played a tough game the night before, they looked like they'd played it back-to-back! Not Wiikman's best night, Hardy looked a bit troubled and Lacho didn't seem to put any effort in at all. Kolnik was one of our few shining lights but even he couldn't save us.
Sheffield have got to be concerned that they pretty much dominated the game but only just held on thanks to a few questionable refereeing decisions (more on that later) and a couple of missed open goals. They were full of effort but lacked in quality somewhat, i'm not truly concerned about them as title rivals and as I said to Jono last night, i'd rather have lost that one than the Cardiff game.
So, the officials. Abysmal. So far out of their depth they're drowning. Some people want two refs but that would water down the talent level even moreso than we currently are. This guy was a clown. They didn't look at all confident disallowing the kick and still managed to miss a clear-as-day holding penalty seconds before. Their fourth goal was scored seconds after a cut-and-dried hooking penalty against Sheffield that couldn't have been more obvious had he borrowed Abu Hamza's left arm. There was an icing waved off after their forward deflected the puck inside his own half and a dozen other terrible offsides, crap face-offs and weak penalties for both sides. All capped off with what looked like a missed offside for their empty netter too, but I would like to see it again.
We need to invest in referees, there's no excuse for that standard.
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Post by Ian on Nov 30, 2015 10:36:15 GMT
Very disappointing game, especially the Panthers' shambolic 2nd period performance. Nothing at all wrong with the ability of this roster - in fact when we play full on we look like we can steamroller anything in the Elite League. But there seems to be an attitude that we only need to play for part of the game, that we can turn it on when needed for a 15 minute burst and take the points. While you might get away with that against some teams on some nights, you will get found out against the better opposition (and let's not kid ourselves, despite some poor recent form and unfortunate coaching outbursts the Steelers are a good side). If we can get a 60 minute performance we should be in a position to win most games. That is where the coach and players' focus should be in my opinion.
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Post by ted logan on Nov 30, 2015 12:11:03 GMT
So, the officials. Abysmal. So far out of their depth they're drowning. Some people want two refs but that would water down the talent level even moreso than we currently are. This guy was a clown. They didn't look at all confident disallowing the kick and still managed to miss a clear-as-day holding penalty seconds before. Their fourth goal was scored seconds after a cut-and-dried hooking penalty against Sheffield that couldn't have been more obvious had he borrowed Abu Hamza's left arm. There was an icing waved off after their forward deflected the puck inside his own half and a dozen other terrible offsides, crap face-offs and weak penalties for both sides. All capped off with what looked like a missed offside for their empty netter too, but I would like to see it again. Totally agree on all of this. Awful display but not the reason we lost. Have to be honest, I missed the non-hooking call but the missed holding call prior to their disallowed goal was awful. The empty netter did look a yard offside at least. The roughing call on Farmer was soft, saw much less (from both sides) not get called. Also missed a blatant high stick to the throat of Myers behind the Steelers goal in the 3rd period. Also in the 3rd period (at 4-3) there was a mad scramble around their goal and one of their players lost his helmet so he whistled play dead. I thought the onus was on the player to get off the ice if he lost his helmet? If he doesn't get off, it's 2 minutes for illegal equipment? Lastly, why were their fans booing Wiikman?
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Post by Ian on Nov 30, 2015 12:24:20 GMT
So, the officials. Abysmal. So far out of their depth they're drowning. Some people want two refs but that would water down the talent level even moreso than we currently are. This guy was a clown. They didn't look at all confident disallowing the kick and still managed to miss a clear-as-day holding penalty seconds before. Their fourth goal was scored seconds after a cut-and-dried hooking penalty against Sheffield that couldn't have been more obvious had he borrowed Abu Hamza's left arm. There was an icing waved off after their forward deflected the puck inside his own half and a dozen other terrible offsides, crap face-offs and weak penalties for both sides. All capped off with what looked like a missed offside for their empty netter too, but I would like to see it again. Totally agree on all of this. Awful display but not the reason we lost. Have to be honest, I missed the non-hooking call but the missed holding call prior to their disallowed goal was awful. The empty netter did look a yard offside at least. The roughing call on Farmer was soft, saw much less (from both sides) not get called. Also missed a blatant high stick to the throat of Myers behind the Steelers goal in the 3rd period. Also in the 3rd period (at 4-3) there was a mad scramble around their goal and one of their players lost his helmet so he whistled play dead. I thought the onus was on the player to get off the ice if he lost his helmet? If he doesn't get off, it's 2 minutes for illegal equipment? Lastly, why were their fans booing Wiikman? You're both right. Officiating was dreadful but for both sides. Each team's 5 on 3 involved at least one very soft call. The rugby tackle prior to the disallowed Steelers goal was one of the most blatant offences I've seen for years, almost matched by the player hugging Bohmbach in the middle of our defensive zone when we were playing 3 on 5. But Panthers got away with plenty too, including a couple of big slashes behind the play (one by Janssen, the other I can't remember who). The one where the Sheffield player lost his helmet, I think the ref blew because he'd lost sight of the puck. Whether there should have been an equipment call I don't know but I don't think this is why the play was stopped. As for the linesmen, I often watch a game and wonder whether the offside and icing rules have been changed without me having read about it. Last night was one of those times.
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Post by Dan on Nov 30, 2015 12:24:45 GMT
God, I forgot about that. A shot comes in, the puck flies up and is about the land in the crease when the referee blows play dead because he somehow lost sight of the puck. Shambolic, incompetent refereeing. We're the main reason we lost but there's a lot of evidence to saying we could have equalised or even won with a better officiating display.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 30, 2015 12:40:18 GMT
The EN/offside I'd need to see again, from my view I thought it was close, but then I remember Steve's Mum scoring in the playoff final against us a few years back which I would've sworn blind was miles off, and it turned out he wasn't.
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Post by Shorty on Nov 30, 2015 12:51:58 GMT
Lastly, why were their fans booing Wiikman? They booed him as he took a dive to get Roy sent off for goaltender interference in the fifth minute........ It was Mosienko who was playing without his helmet. They also missed the spearing on Kolnik by Fretter and one of the Steelers defence covering the puck on the goal line with his hand. Our bad second period cost us the game, but it could so easily have been a different outcome.
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Post by Ian on Nov 30, 2015 13:03:16 GMT
Lastly, why were their fans booing Wiikman? They booed him as he took a dive to get Roy sent off for goaltender interference in the fifth minute........ That's a more polite explanation than the one I was thinking of. Hint - it began with "Because they're a bunch of...".
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Post by Dan on Nov 30, 2015 13:04:06 GMT
The EN/offside I'd need to see again, from my view I thought it was close, but then I remember Steve's Mum scoring in the playoff final against us a few years back which I would've sworn blind was miles off, and it turned out he wasn't. I'm pretty sure he played it from the neutral zone and as such it would take blinding speed for their player to meet it between the circles and be onside. Bring on the highlights, i'm willing to accept I could be wrong on it.
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Post by jd on Dec 1, 2015 12:45:13 GMT
Just watched the highlights, EN goal was onside
Not sure how the high sticking on Bombach was missed on the 5v3 though.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 1, 2015 12:46:38 GMT
Just watched the highlights, EN goal was onside Not sure how the high sticking on Bombach was missed on the 5v3 though. Slashing and high sticks are caught just by pure luck this year.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 1, 2015 14:06:55 GMT
...the missed offside call for their empty net goal. The scorer was 2 yards offside. En goal was yards offside too. Not picking on you three, because I too thought it iffy for offside, but given he was a good 2ft onside it does perhaps show that the officials probably do a better job than they'll ever get credit for on here (or any forum).
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Post by texpef on Dec 1, 2015 14:51:52 GMT
Wasn't the offside that bothered me, it was the non icing call at around 38 seconds left that from body language the panthers players thought was going to happen as the linesman had his hand raised only to wave it off and it seemed to me at least that the players then lost focus in the most important half minute of the game...
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Post by ted logan on Dec 1, 2015 15:49:02 GMT
Wasn't the offside that bothered me, it was the non icing call at around 38 seconds left that from body language the panthers players thought was going to happen as the linesman had his hand raised only to wave it off and it seemed to me at least that the players then lost focus in the most important half minute of the game... The standard of officiating seriously needs addressing. If a linesman can't get an obvious icing call like that correct, then what hope is there? Slightly off topic, but what was with the Homer Simpson picture/poster behind the Steelers bench?
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Post by Pies on Dec 1, 2015 16:08:09 GMT
Wasn't the offside that bothered me, it was the non icing call at around 38 seconds left that from body language the panthers players thought was going to happen as the linesman had his hand raised only to wave it off and it seemed to me at least that the players then lost focus in the most important half minute of the game... The standard of officiating seriously needs addressing. If a linesman can't get an obvious icing call like that correct, then what hope is there? Slightly off topic, but what was with the Homer Simpson picture/poster behind the Steelers bench? Because they think Thommo looks like Homer
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Post by BigLad on Dec 1, 2015 16:55:59 GMT
The standard of officiating seriously needs addressing. If a linesman can't get an obvious icing call like that correct, then what hope is there? Slightly off topic, but what was with the Homer Simpson picture/poster behind the Steelers bench? Because they think Thommo looks like Homer No it was because of Thommo's "we're a bunch of homer's" rant last weekend.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 1, 2015 17:20:55 GMT
Wasn't the offside that bothered me, it was the non icing call at around 38 seconds left that from body language the panthers players thought was going to happen as the linesman had his hand raised only to wave it off and it seemed to me at least that the players then lost focus in the most important half minute of the game... I don't remember the one you're referring to, although I did think there was something earlier in the game where one of them changed their mind, so not disputing it happened. I suppose that's within their remit to change the call though, if they think one of ours could've played the puck? Just think that sometimes you see things at the game that look a lot different if/when you get to see them again. On the plus side, great noise in the NIC at the end there, for a place that's often a bit of a library, and we got the best sentence ever committed to YouTube: No-one ever needs to pour petrol on the flames that is the fire that is the rivalry between the GMB Nottingham Panthers and the Sheffield Steelers.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 1, 2015 18:53:12 GMT
Wasn't the offside that bothered me, it was the non icing call at around 38 seconds left that from body language the panthers players thought was going to happen as the linesman had his hand raised only to wave it off and it seemed to me at least that the players then lost focus in the most important half minute of the game... I don't remember the one you're referring to, although I did think there was something earlier in the game where one of them changed their mind, so not disputing it happened. I suppose that's within their remit to change the call though, if they think one of ours could've played the puck? Just think that sometimes you see things at the game that look a lot different if/when you get to see them again. On the plus side, great noise in the NIC at the end there, for a place that's often a bit of a library, and we got the best sentence ever committed to YouTube: No-one ever needs to pour petrol on the flames that is the fire that is the rivalry between the GMB Nottingham Panthers and the Sheffield Steelers. Could almost be Hughie Green
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 23:03:19 GMT
...the missed offside call for their empty net goal. The scorer was 2 yards offside. En goal was yards offside too. Not picking on you three, because I too thought it iffy for offside, but given he was a good 2ft onside it does perhaps show that the officials probably do a better job than they'll ever get credit for on here (or any forum). Nope, not buying it. The camera lies. Was miles offside.
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