GDT: Panthers 4:6 Steelers (EL, 29/11)

[Yotes]

Game Notes 1-1, 0-3, 3-2. Mosey, Kolnik, Clarke and Moran for Nottingham. Dowd (2), Eddy, Nelson, Vestberg and Desbiens for Sheffield. Panthers missing Schultz and MacMillan.

Game Sheet
Sheffield Steelers 6 at Nottingham Panthers 4 - Status: Final
Sunday, November 29, 2015 - National Ice Centre

Sheffield 1 3 2 - 6
Nottingham 1 0 3 - 4

1st Period-1, Sheffield, Dowd 8 (Nelson), 1:26. 2, Nottingham, Mosey 6 (Farmer), 13:45 (PP). Penalties-Roy She (interference-minor), 4:39; Nelson She (boarding-minor), 12:11; Fretter She (slashing-minor, roughing-minor), 14:08; Kolnik Not (cross checking-minor, roughing-minor), 14:08.

2nd Period-3, Sheffield, Eddy 2 (Ferrara, Mosienko), 1:40. 4, Sheffield, Nelson 12 (Dowd, Sarich), 6:48. 5, Sheffield, Vestberg 9 (Roy, O'Connor), 11:44 (PP). Penalties-Fretter She (elbowing-minor), 2:54; Lee Not (slashing-minor), 8:11; Myers Not (tripping-minor), 10:09; Mosey Not (high sticking-minor), 10:33; Farmer Not (roughing-minor), 16:18.

3rd Period-6, Nottingham, Kolnik 12 (Dimmen, Schmidt), 3:09. 7, Sheffield, Desbiens 1 (Mosienko, Sarich), 12:15. 8, Nottingham, Clarke 7 (Kolnik), 16:35 (PP). 9, Nottingham, Moran 9   17:25. 10, Sheffield, Dowd 9 (Nelson, Eddy), 19:42 (EN). Penalties-Dowd She (holding-minor), 5:20; Desbiens She (elbowing-minor), 14:31; Coyle She (tripping-minor), 16:11.

Shots on Goal-Sheffield 13-14-8-35. Nottingham 9-9-16-34.
Power Play Opportunities-Sheffield 1 / 4; Nottingham 2 / 6.
Goalies-Sheffield, Pinc 4-3-0 (34 shots-30 saves). Nottingham, Wiikman 15-8-1 (34 shots-29 saves).
A-6,888
Referees-Matt Thompson (6).
Linesmen-Danny Beresford (38), Paul Staniforth (22).

[Deleted]

Need to win this in regulation. You have to beat these mid table teams comfortably to win the title.

[kievthegreat]

Nov 22, 2015 21:27:44 GMT @jordannooooooo said:

Need to win this in regulation. You have to beat these mid table teams comfortably to win the title.

We learnt this weekend that you can't be arrogant when playing smaller teams!

[Ghost]

Nov 22, 2015 22:14:58 GMT kievthegreat said:

Nov 22, 2015 21:27:44 GMT @jordannooooooo said:

Need to win this in regulation. You have to beat these mid table teams comfortably to win the title.

We learnt this weekend that you can't be arrogant when playing smaller teams!

Have Sheffield replaced Edinburgh as the new 'banana skin' I wonder...?

[Deleted]

Nov 22, 2015 22:14:58 GMT kievthegreat said:

Nov 22, 2015 21:27:44 GMT @jordannooooooo said:

Need to win this in regulation. You have to beat these mid table teams comfortably to win the title.

We learnt this weekend that you can't be arrogant when playing smaller teams!

Agreed.

At home though we have to handle these smaller, mid table teams. It's imperative for a top team. 

[iginla]

Well Sheffield just signed an ex Nhl/Ahler who played with Bohmbach last year.

Somebody tell me why they have 16 imports whilst we continue to **** about and play short !!!!!

[EMB]

Wait till you see who've they've signed. Guilliame Desbiens 6'2" power forward. I suppose Andy will have an insight to what sort of guy he is. We have to be seriously better than the last couple of games that's for sure.

[Shorty]

They have signed someone with less ppg in the AHL than the guy they released this week. Wow.

[Yotes]

Last game at the NIC for a few weeks and another sell out, think we'll take this one.

[Deleted]

Nov 22, 2015 22:37:00 GMT iginla said:

Well Sheffield just signed an ex Nhl/Ahler who played with Bohmbach last year.

Somebody tell me why they have 16 imports whilst we continue to **** about and play short !!!!!

16 imports hey. They can only ice 13 of only 1 I'd take. ... quantity over quality hey

[Shorty]

Nov 22, 2015 22:37:00 GMT iginla said:

Well Sheffield just signed an ex Nhl/Ahler who played with Bohmbach last year.

Somebody tell me why they have 16 imports whilst we continue to **** about and play short !!!!!

Perhaps that same person can tell us why having loads of imports has them seven points behind us in the league and having played a game more.

[iginla]

It not about Sheffields imports,they can have 25 for all i care.
Perhaps that same person can tell us,that if we had spare imports meaning we could for once ice a full quota of 13.....would we have won in Edinburgh on Saturday instead of dropping two points !

Are you seriously saying that you think we have a better chance of winning icing only 10 or 11 imports than we would with 13 ?

[Deleted]

Nov 23, 2015 18:13:54 GMT iginla said:

It not about Sheffields imports,they can have 25 for all i care.
Perhaps that same person can tell us,that if we had spare imports meaning we could for once ice a full quota of 13.....would we have won in Edinburgh on Saturday instead of dropping two points !

Are you seriously saying that you think we have a better chance of winning icing only 10 or 11 imports than we would with 13 ?

We had 18 skaters. Edinburgh are a good side at home. We may have won if we were a little more disciplined in the 3rd period, that has nothing to do with the number of imports we were icing.

We are top of the league because we a a damn good team. The players we have are more than capable of keeping us there.

[iginla]

Yes Jonno I agree we are a good side,but we are giving the others a chance to stay with us by playing short,especially when we know Schultz was going to be out for a long time
Discipline was a problem in Edinburgh yes,if we had a full roster Corey can punish them by sitting a couple of shifts,but he didn't have that luxury because we were short.

I will,ask again.
Does a team have more chance of winning with 13 imports than it does with 10 or 11 ?

[Deleted]

Nov 23, 2015 18:28:03 GMT iginla said:

Yes Jonno I agree we are a good side,but we are giving the others a chance to stay with us by playing short,especially when we know Schultz was going to be out for a long time
Discipline was a problem in Edinburgh yes,if we had a full roster Corey can punish them by sitting a couple of shifts,but he didn't have that luxury because we were short.

I will,ask again.
Does a team have more chance of winning with 13 imports than it does with 10 or 11 ?

I think you and I have different definitions of short. We had 19 skaters on Friday and 18 on Saturday. That's a long way from short in my book.

I think you are defining short as not having 13 imports icing at the moment.

We've not iced 13 imports all season, yet the ones we have icing have got us to the top of the league and I don't see any reason why we can't stay there. While we are icing 19 skaters a game I'm very comfortable with the situation.

[Caesar]

If you've got the right 10 or 11 and a good contingent of Brits, then yes, why not. It was once said that a team would never win the league without an import goalie.

[Shorty]

Nov 23, 2015 18:28:03 GMT iginla said:

Yes Jonno I agree we are a good side,but we are giving the others a chance to stay with us by playing short,especially when we know Schultz was going to be out for a long time
Discipline was a problem in Edinburgh yes,if we had a full roster Corey can punish them by sitting a couple of shifts,but he didn't have that luxury because we were short.

I will,ask again.
Does a team have more chance of winning with 13 imports than it does with 10 or 11 ?

It's not just down to numbers of imports. Sheffield had thirteen imports and lost at Edinburgh two weeks ago. It's about the quality of the squad as a whole.

It would be nice to have a full roster and maybe carry a spare, You seem to spend more time looking for a reason to knock Panthers than looking at the quality we have on the ice.

[iginla]

I'm not knocking Panthers for the sake of it,I just want to win.

In what other sport would a team turn out with less than the permitted number of players ?
Would Forest play with 10.
Would Leicester Tigers turn out with 14.
Would Lewis Hamilton drive a car with 200bhp less than his rivals.
Would Notts cc turn out with 10.

Of course they wouldn't.....so why are Panthers doing it ?

My definition of short is not having what you could,yours Jonno is "oh well we've got three or four players less than we could have so that's ok".

I tell you what,ask the guy we Panthers fans call the best GM in the league,Todd Kelman what he thinks.
Or is it just coincidence that both teams he has run have gone with Brit goalies so they could have that extra import.

I will ask again.....do you think we would have a better chance of winning with either 10,11 or with 13 imports ?

[Deleted]

Nov 23, 2015 19:19:58 GMT iginla said:

I'm not knocking Panthers for the sake of it,I just want to win.

In what other sport would a team turn out with less than the permitted number of players ?
Would Forest play with 10.
Would Leicester Tigers turn out with 14.
Would Lewis Hamilton drive a car with 200bhp less than his rivals.
Would Notts cc turn out with 10.

Of course they wouldn't.....so why are Panthers doing it ?

My definition of short is not having what you could,yours Jonno is "oh well we've got three or four players less than we could have so that's ok".

I tell you what,ask the guy we Panthers fans call the best GM in the league,Todd Kelman what he thinks.
Or is it just coincidence that both teams he has run have gone with Brit goalies so they could have that extra import.

I will ask again.....do you think we would have a better chance of winning with either 10,11 or with 13 imports ?

Depends on the quality of those imports. Have 5 the standard of max parents or 2 the standard of Andy Bohmbach ?

[Yotes]

Nov 23, 2015 19:19:58 GMT iginla said:

In what other sport would a team turn out with less than the permitted number of players ?
Would Forest play with 10.
Would Leicester Tigers turn out with 14.
Would Lewis Hamilton drive a car with 200bhp less than his rivals.
Would Notts cc turn out with 10.

Of course they wouldn't.....so why are Panthers doing it ?

Those comparisons don't work though, do they? Panthers don't play the entire game on the penalty kill.

Nov 23, 2015 19:19:58 GMT iginla said:

I will ask again.....do you think we would have a better chance of winning with either 10,11 or with 13 imports ?

As Pidge says, who are the 10/11 and the 13? Last year we finished with 15 imports on the roster, plus several others along the way who came and went, and were still pretty toilet. I'd reckon this lot with 2 out injured would beat last year at full strength.

[Shorty]

Nov 23, 2015 19:19:58 GMT iginla said:

I'm not knocking Panthers for the sake of it,I just want to win.

In what other sport would a team turn out with less than the permitted number of players ?
Would Forest play with 10.
Would Leicester Tigers turn out with 14.
Would Lewis Hamilton drive a car with 200bhp less than his rivals.
Would Notts cc turn out with 10.

Of course they wouldn't.....so why are Panthers doing it ?

My definition of short is not having what you could,yours Jonno is "oh well we've got three or four players less than we could have so that's ok".

I tell you what,ask the guy we Panthers fans call the best GM in the league,Todd Kelman what he thinks.
Or is it just coincidence that both teams he has run have gone with Brit goalies so they could have that extra import.

I will ask again.....do you think we would have a better chance of winning with either 10,11 or with 13 imports ?

Seriously? You are comparing numbers in football, cricket and rugby to an ice hockey squad?

[PantherB]

In all practically all sports but hockey you must start with the required amount of players, i.e. Football.. you can't start a professional game with 10 or 9 players.

We have teams in the EIHL playing with 15 and sometimes 14 or less, we have 18/19 (depending on MacMillan) at the moment. Max of 2 players short of the maximum allowed number of players. If you bring in two more players, imports lets say, they will mess up the lines and chemistry. Yeah, they may just click straight away and all will be good but chances of that are slim. By staying with the players we have, we have 4 lines of Forwards now Mosey has been moved up front (assuming MacMillan plays) and 3 solid D pairings plus an additional defenceman, Oakford. Essentially we are one player down now we've got Hardy in and Mosey up front. As far as i'm concerned, we are in a very good position even without Schultz. We aren't at the point where Corey needs to search and search, make late night calls.. just to get that extra body. We don't need that. We're fine as we are and should cope more than fine whilst Schultz is out, we have the depth and quality.

[iginla]

Oh well,if you lot are happy playing short then fine,when we get more injuries,start losing away games and slip behind because we didn't plan for it and are still playing short then that will be sort of ok i guess.
Just because some teams play with 16 or 17 is of no consequence to me,I only care about Panthers,not about coming down to the level of others.

I just want to win,not hinder ourselves playing short or settling for the same as others.

[pantherlee]

I don't get this whole playing short argument. We now have a full roster 13 imports and 9 Brits and only one player missed the Edinburgh trip. That means we've got the biggest squad in the league

[The Flying Shirt]

Nov 23, 2015 21:46:25 GMT pantherlee said:

I don't get this whole playing short argument. We now have a full roster 13 imports and 9 Brits and only one player missed the Edinburgh trip. That means we've got the biggest squad in the league

Biggest bus too.