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Post by iginla on Dec 10, 2015 23:57:45 GMT
Do you know what. If dangerous hits like Marsh's are only going to get a two game ban,you could almost forgive Corey if he sent Janssen out to take Joey Martin or Guillame Doucets head off, because it would be worth it to even the score !
The difference is, i bet neither Corey or Janssen would do it.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 10, 2015 23:59:44 GMT
Baffling decision. The non explanation, the "independent panel", the conspiracy theory is fast becoming fact.
I agree with Jasper that there'll be no retribution, Cam isn't going to no choice him anyway. The penalty isn't worth it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 0:05:03 GMT
Cat's Whiskers Podcast Special discussing this ridiculous decision. wp.me/P6zbpB-dB
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Post by iginla on Dec 11, 2015 0:05:32 GMT
I reckon you might be wrong there Yotes,but either way I bet that decision has sold a few more tickets though !
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Post by Yotes on Dec 11, 2015 0:12:18 GMT
If Cam gives him a beating and takes the instigator, or worse, then we're in a hole. It'd probably go to our anonymous mates too who'd view it as retribution and ban him longer than Marsh has been.
Remember Rick Kozak (sp?), Rumun didn't no choice him, I think Galbraith eventually got him to agree to go. Just doesn't happen.
Marsh may answer the bell of course.
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Post by dp on Dec 11, 2015 6:44:37 GMT
I want to hear what Kelman - the darling of the league - thinks of this. If it had been Janssen on Doucet and it was Doucet out for a lengthy spell, would he be happy with 2 games?
The thing that annoys me the most is that this reduction was a result of an appeal which was just playing the system. Surely every single multi game suspension is going to be appealed now.
You couldn't blame Moran, Kolnik etc if they just packed their bags after this. Why risk your future health?
The league have got no choice but to come out and talk about this because, as it stands, DOPS is completely broken and unfit for purpose. The problem is that Kelman is obviously very influential in that league. One step forward, ten steps back.
And I don't see the point in Janssen going after Marsh. If he gets the upper hand Marsh will either grab on or go down and so no retribution. The old "code" would mean that this has put a big target on Doucet's back - that's more of a message. The problem with that is that Cardiff are stacked with toughness. But the players know now that the maximum they can get for a head shot is 2 games and multiple sticks to the head and neck is maximum one game - so it's open season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 10:44:00 GMT
Top post dp.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 11:17:51 GMT
The sad thing is that as the on-ice product of the EIHL gets better the off-ice 'admin' is perpetually a farce, it really shouldn't be as difficult as it's made to look. I give them credit for trying but it really beggars belief how an organisation (EIHL) can fail time and time again in areas like this.
It's time to can DOPS and open a new TRANSPARENT system.
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Post by fishman on Dec 11, 2015 11:32:46 GMT
The problem is DOPS giving bans like this one earlier in the season, this set the precedent, and I think Cardiff are saying you are treating their player more harshly.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Dec 11, 2015 11:42:54 GMT
What makes it even more of a joke is that Marsh was playing whilst DOPS were counting the appeal money so they've come out pretty well, he played all three games in their Scottish road trip! I don't want to see Janssen fight him, I want to see Janssen run Bowns, take the out straight down the middle and don't stop. Ruin their season or like others have said out Doucet or Martin trough the numbers. DOPS aren't useful for anything and are easily swayed by finance. Time to get rid of the system and have one named person set out a set of rules which clearly state a ban length for each accountable incident and then there is no arguing any decision. Hit to the head causing injury 5 games. Spear to the heat chest area 5 games. Hit from behind 2 games. Lay out the rules clearly so everyone knows the consequences of their actions.
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Post by dill1015 on Dec 11, 2015 12:08:22 GMT
The problem is DOPS giving bans like this one earlier in the season, this set the precedent, and I think Cardiff are saying you are treating their player more harshly. I said ealier in the season when Mosienko speared Bohmbach in the face that i was concern that the short ban (1 game i think) had set a precedent And that the real test would come later in the season if their was a similar incident. This hit and the Marsh hit are a prime example of that problem. I dont think there was any fans around the league that were really complaining when Marsh got 5. The problem because they have already deal out a far lighter penalty earlier this year theyve put themselves in a no win situation. I worry that Dops is now going to have the opposite effect it was intended to have. Now that the standard has been set, if we asked ourselves from a logical point of view. Is it worth us losing Janssen for 1 game to order to take out Joey Martain for 2 months? Well the answer is of course it is, thats a no brainer. I dont want to see this sort of targeting mentality but if could happen. Because how could they justify increasing ban lengths now without losing all credibility? This is a shame because i was willing to wipe the slate clean from all the seasons gone when Dops was anounced. They could of set a standard of fair and explain punishments for penalties but they let that opportunity slip though thier fingers with some poor desisions earlier this season.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 11, 2015 12:25:39 GMT
In fairness to DOPS, haven't they been overruled by this new "independent panel"? I guess you could say that's all part of DOPS, but it doesn't sound like Cardiff appealed to the guys who originally said 5 games and convinced them it should be fewer, it was someone else who's appeared to reduce the figure, without explanation. The original DOPS guys could easily be as confused as the rest of us.
I think Fish makes a very good point, that precedents have been set and this was, in comparison, harsh. And that given the nature of our clubs (financially if nothing else), there is an understandable desire to have players on the ice rather than banned in the stands. But given that leagues and sports across the board are having to deal with the dangers of head injuries, and their responsibility to help prevent them, I don't think the EIHL are doing themselves any favours with stuff like this, and it all falls under their banner whether they like it or not.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Dec 11, 2015 12:49:17 GMT
Why lose Janssen for some games. Surely there is a knuckleheaded brit (Andrew Sharp per se) you could get on the ice to take out who ever you want, top scorer, goalie, etc. two game ban on appeal. Thank you very much, now warm the bench until we need you do it again. Would CN do it? No, because he has more decency than that, but another coach? Probably / possibly!
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Post by texpef on Dec 11, 2015 14:02:35 GMT
I thought that the four games was compulsory and that the "extra" one game was able to be appealed? If so how can they remove part of the compulsory games from the banned ones? Seems a bit farcical to me..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 14:09:21 GMT
I thought that the four games was compulsory and that the "extra" one game was able to be appealed? If so how can they remove part of the compulsory games from the banned ones? Seems a bit farcical to me.. The original match penalty is compulsary and the extra four games can be appealed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 17:16:28 GMT
The problem is DOPS giving bans like this one earlier in the season, this set the precedent, and I think Cardiff are saying you are treating their player more harshly. Looking at this incident Cardiff have grounds for complaint over the length of Marsh's ban. This is all DOPS' doing, they have no sympathy from me on this. Another example of not being fit for purpose.
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Post by iginla on Dec 11, 2015 18:40:37 GMT
Am I the only one who's hoping there's a similar hit somewhere this weekend......just to see what happens !!!!
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Post by pantherdman on Dec 12, 2015 11:47:43 GMT
Bonkers! But what do you expect in a money orientated league. They can't even be bothered enough to produce a rule book or employ professional officials. I got the feeling it was kellmans turn to be dops this week.
No accountability = no hope, may as well get rid of the dops and auction penalties on eBay
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Post by bbw on Dec 12, 2015 14:12:36 GMT
Some of the responses on here are shocking.Run Bowns so badly it ruins our season, put a target on Doucet or Martins back and run them through the boards.Some of you are disgusted with the Marsh hit,fair enough,but if there is to be retribution take it out on Marsh not players who have done nothing wrong. I really cant see Marsh losing any sleep over the prospect of having to answer to Jannsen. In fact Cardiff have four or five players who could take him on. It is out of character for Marsh too.Whatever happens happens,but let me warn you of this,Panthers are the only team I have seen at the BBT this season who have managed to make our D look average,get drawn into a physical/dirty game against us and you may well negate any big ice advantage you have.I dont think the Devil's will mind one bit if you decide to ramp up the physicalty.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 14:36:31 GMT
I wouldn't let a few fans on here rile you bbw. Corey is one of the cleanest coaches around imo. I doubt very much they'll be any retribution sought.
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Post by fishman on Dec 12, 2015 14:58:49 GMT
I think this issue with dirty hits from Marsh and some of Cardiff team is a club thing, you only have to look at Doug Clarkson for an example he's like pussy cat this season, whether its Kelman or Lord that it stems, from but if i was to say my money would be the Lord.
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Post by bbw on Dec 12, 2015 15:16:25 GMT
I think this issue with dirty hits from Marsh and some of Cardiff team is a club thing, you only have to look at Doug Clarkson for an example he's like pussy cat this season, whether its Kelman or Lord that it stems, from but if i was to say my money would be the Lord. It's interesting to know what other fans think of our style of play.It may well be a club thing especially over the last nine years.I think teams have been built around the small rink and players are encouraged to finish their hits.Maybe rose tinted glasses but I dont think we lay that many dirty hits,far more hits than most teams granted, so statistically we will mistime more than most.By the way I dont think you could have picked a worse example than Clarkson.The reason he is playing in Dundee not Cardiff this year is because by and large he was like a big pussy cat for us.Better player than he is given credit for though.
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Post by fishman on Dec 12, 2015 16:25:15 GMT
I think this issue with dirty hits from Marsh and some of Cardiff team is a club thing, you only have to look at Doug Clarkson for an example he's like pussy cat this season, whether its Kelman or Lord that it stems, from but if i was to say my money would be the Lord. It's interesting to know what other fans think of our style of play.It may well be a club thing especially over the last nine years.I think teams have been built around the small rink and players are encouraged to finish their hits.Maybe rose tinted glasses but I dont think we lay that many dirty hits,far more hits than most teams granted, so statistically we will mistime more than most.By the way I dont think you could have picked a worse example than Clarkson.The reason he is playing in Dundee not Cardiff this year is because by and large he was like a big pussy cat for us.Better player than he is given credit for though. He wasn't top PIM guy for delaying the game penalties and nearly all players that leave to go to another Elite league team are not that good etc!!!
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Post by bbw on Dec 12, 2015 17:30:46 GMT
43pts in 59 games is not a bad return from someone who topped the PIM .Must admit those stats have surprised me,spent most of the time smiling and laughing.Good guy who was/is popular with Cardiff fans.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Dec 13, 2015 20:17:49 GMT
Wonder how the DOPeS will deal with the penalties at the Cardiff game tonight - major suspension for Boris (Steelers game coming up) - Devils may be missing Hendrick for our game next week
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