Ghost
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Post by Ghost on Oct 18, 2015 11:32:41 GMT
[quote author=" Ghost" Last night was the killer, largely because you were (or should have been) there for the taking. You had several guys playing out of position and were short on forward and D lines, yet still managed to outwork the Panthers. I would hope that's what will hurt them. They had Lawrence and Hay covering their 2 import injuries of Duco and Fretter, so had a full complement of imports though their lines would have been disrupted. Missing 1 Brit, Dowd.[/quote] Think they only had 5 D and were playing Sarich and Eddy as wingers.
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Post by wgray on Oct 18, 2015 11:41:06 GMT
I thought Lacho had a great game last night - I don't think people are giving him fair credit. If you look at the stats, he's in our top 5 for points i believe (i've checked, he is) - I rate Matthew Myers but he has 2 goals and no assists so far - Lacho is being used as a scapegoat IMO. I know points output aren't the be all and end all but he's getting points on the board - he's not going to be a power forward so he's doing what he's supposed to do. He blocked a shot last night and looks like he's injured himself - thats commitment in any way uyou look at it. Miika kept us in that game last night - the guys a great goalie whatever way you look at it. He wants to win as much as we do in the stands - He reminds me of Fox in that way - he'd throw himself into a brick wall to win for this club. overall a poor game for us - but if we get 2 points tonight, no one will care. congrats steelers you won the 2 dead rubbers. if they win all 8 league games, then i'll be worried. For now, enjoy your stanley cup win (they did win that last night didn't they? i mean it looked like they did anyway ) My feelings towards Lacho are that he never performs in the big games, he may be in our top 5 points scorers but who have those points come against? With out checking I am pretty sure that they will be against the 'lesser' teams
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Ian
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Post by Ian on Oct 18, 2015 11:57:54 GMT
A very tough watch last night. Yes, it was a dead rubber and we have an important league game today but you have to put on a performance for a sellout home crowd. Steelers are a very good side from what I've seen so far so I can accept losing to them, but not being outworked by them on our own ice. There have been some very positive signs so far this season, especially Bohmbach, Schultz, Wiikman and Janssen. But I have concerns about a few other imports. Jeff Dimmen was awful again last night, gave away possession so many times it was untrue. I've said it before, it looks to me like he's been playing in a league with few high-intensity games for a couple of seasons and seems to want too long on the puck every time. I'm also worried that Moran might be one of those we've seen so many times who racks up points against teams near the bottom of the table but is anonymous against the big teams. The need to strengthen on defence is blatantly obvious. Lee, Swindlehurst and Oakford were all poor last night, they all looked like rabbits in the headlights every time the play came near them. Waugh is a big miss but even with him fit I'd say we need another physically strong defenceman. Mika was excellent, prevented a much heavier defeat and looks like he really cares. Hopefully that attitude and professionalism will rub off on some of his team mates. I also hope he gave his defence a big kick up the backside for hanging him out to dry so spectacularly last night. Have to mention Janssen, people have been questioning him this week but I thought he was effective again. Even when he doesn't connect with the hits, the fact he's approaching or even on the ice makes opposition players rush their play, leading to turnovers and numerous icing calls. Essentially, his presence is repeatedly winning us possession or attacking zone face offs even when he's hitting the glass not the man. Finally, I find it somewhat ironic that we are massively out-coached and can see glaring inadequacies in the balance of our team in the week when our coach has his testimonial. Hopefully it's not distracting him too much from his job.
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Post by ted logan on Oct 18, 2015 12:08:18 GMT
The result doesn't really bother me too much. Dead rubber and all that.
Another sell out crowd and playing with only 10 imports. That bothers me.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 18, 2015 12:22:48 GMT
I really don't get the dead rubber bit at all. They are professional sportsmen and it was clear to see that a lot of our team worked their socks off and didn't think it was a dead rubber either. The moment you take away the importance of winning any game then everyone is wasting thier time on and off the ice. Putting down a marker, momentum and simply just winning is important. Dead rubber just sounds like sour grapes tbh and it wouldn't have been dismissed as just a dead rubber if we had won I'm sure.
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iginla
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Post by iginla on Oct 18, 2015 12:32:28 GMT
I agree Ted,the import short situation bothers me and especially as we are now two Brits down too who can't be replaced. It's all very well playing with ten imports against the smaller teams,but our record against the big four is not good and it will cost us if we don't do something very quickly.
From memory,we have already been beaten by Sheffield twice,Cardiff,Belfast and Coventry and we haven't even played that many games yet !
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Post by ted logan on Oct 18, 2015 13:43:23 GMT
I really don't get the dead rubber bit at all. They are professional sportsmen and it was clear to see that a lot of our team worked their socks off and didn't think it was a dead rubber either. The moment you take away the importance of winning any game then everyone is wasting thier time on and off the ice. Putting down a marker, momentum and simply just winning is important. Dead rubber just sounds like sour grapes tbh and it wouldn't have been dismissed as just a dead rubber if we had won I'm sure. Well of course as professional sportsmen they want to win. It's a dead rubber in as much as both teams have already qualified for the quarter finals due to the ridiculous set up of the cup. Sour grapes? Not for me, I decided not to go a while ago as the group matches are all a bit 'meh' for me.
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Ian
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Post by Ian on Oct 18, 2015 14:15:15 GMT
I really don't get the dead rubber bit at all. They are professional sportsmen and it was clear to see that a lot of our team worked their socks off and didn't think it was a dead rubber either. The moment you take away the importance of winning any game then everyone is wasting thier time on and off the ice. Putting down a marker, momentum and simply just winning is important. Dead rubber just sounds like sour grapes tbh and it wouldn't have been dismissed as just a dead rubber if we had won I'm sure. No sour grapes here, if a game has no bearing on the teams' progress in the relevant competition it's a dead rubber by definition and I'd always define it that way win or lose (I did before the two games actually, didn't stop me buying webcast for one and ticket for the other). However that does not mean you should ever take a game easy, especially when you're a professional and 6000 people have paid good money to see you put on a performance. Don't believe there was lack of effort last night actually, just poor execution and an exposure of deficiencies in the makeup of our squad.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 18, 2015 14:24:23 GMT
I really don't get the dead rubber bit at all. They are professional sportsmen and it was clear to see that a lot of our team worked their socks off and didn't think it was a dead rubber either. The moment you take away the importance of winning any game then everyone is wasting thier time on and off the ice. Putting down a marker, momentum and simply just winning is important. Dead rubber just sounds like sour grapes tbh and it wouldn't have been dismissed as just a dead rubber if we had won I'm sure. No sour grapes here, if a game has no bearing on the teams' progress in the relevant competition it's a dead rubber by definition and I'd always define it that way win or lose (I did before the two games actually, didn't stop me buying webcast for one and ticket for the other). However that does not mean you should ever take a game easy, especially when you're a professional and 6000 people have paid good money to see you put on a performance. Don't believe there was lack of effort last night actually, just poor execution and an exposure of deficiencies in the makeup of our squad. I think there was a hell of a lot of effort but too many imports down and we were totally out coached. It looked like last year all over again when we couldn't hit a pass or clear our zone.
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Mozzy
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Post by Mozzy on Oct 18, 2015 15:04:11 GMT
I really don't get the dead rubber bit at all. They are professional sportsmen and it was clear to see that a lot of our team worked their socks off and didn't think it was a dead rubber either. The moment you take away the importance of winning any game then everyone is wasting thier time on and off the ice. Putting down a marker, momentum and simply just winning is important. Dead rubber just sounds like sour grapes tbh and it wouldn't have been dismissed as just a dead rubber if we had won I'm sure. Totally agree with this. I'm sure we'd be saying the same if you had beaten us, oh it's just dead rubber, it doesn't matter. But, we now have 2 wins from 2 against you, dead rubber or not, I'm pretty sure Nielsen and Strachan didn't want that.
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Post by Mozzy on Oct 18, 2015 15:06:33 GMT
Not what you said on your Podcast Jono I suggest you listen again Mozzy, I didn't offer any comment on the game. Didn't say you did Jono. You just commented that you never like losing to Sheffield, yet on here you put your not bothered. Can't be both ways. For the record, I hate losing to you, whether it's a dead rubber game or not, it doesn't matter.
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Mozzy
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Post by Mozzy on Oct 18, 2015 15:10:42 GMT
Losing against the caps who were 4 men down can't be good for morale either Oh I don't know, morale didn't seem too low to me last night......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 15:31:02 GMT
Losing against the caps who were 4 men down can't be good for morale either Oh I don't know, morale didn't seem too low to me last night...... In a nothing game well done. Looked like a few were playing for their jobs from where I was sat. Let's see how the two sides match up when it's 13 v 13 imports hey. ...
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Post by leftshot27 on Oct 18, 2015 15:34:55 GMT
A deserved win for Sheffield on the night , thought Schultz had a good game but can't imagine many wouldn't have had wiikman down as panthers mom , he looks a very impressive pick up. Ling will doubtless add to the offensive punch when he settles in and I don't think there is too much to worry about on that front. Defensively though we certainly miss Waugh and Corey seems to view Steve Lee as his number 1 d man which I think is maybe too big an ask at the moment. Add the fact we are unbalanced with only 1 left handed d and it's hard not to conclude that a quality left handed d man who could ideally quarterback the power play would make a huge difference. Whether the club see it that way / one is available / we have the budget / will to sign one is another matter
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Post by texpef on Oct 20, 2015 1:45:09 GMT
Considering the steelers were supposed to be short it was 18 v 18. Having been watching since Heineken days in this country imho it has always been the imports that win games and ultimately win leagues over the years with very very limited exceptions (Coopers for example or Tait in Coventry and earlier Clark years for us). This season we have played the majority of games 3 imports short, again imho unless this changes, this will ultimately scupper any chances the team have of winning the league with the team we are currently icing... Oh and of those players short sheffield had they were still able to ice a full compliment of imports compared to our 3 short...given that which team were most likely to win?... But you have the best Brits in the league so we're told, most of them import quality. Wasn't Nielsons's idea that if you had that many import quality Brits you maybe wouldn't need to sign that 13th import? Really why the fascination on more imports? I just don't get it. They could be wayne gretsky for all it matters if they arent playing.. and if you read my post you will find it said and i truly believe its pretty much always the imports that make the difference to winning not your brits.. which is why i have bleated on about signing a full compliment of imports to match yourselves from the very start of the season not half way through it. Oh and for you information Lawrence didnt score the GWG against braehead, nice try though...
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Post by clowne54 on Oct 20, 2015 6:07:01 GMT
Err I think he did in OT
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Post by bruinspanthers on Oct 20, 2015 6:37:14 GMT
Goal was changed and credited to O'Connor
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Post by GuinnessMan on Oct 20, 2015 8:49:39 GMT
Goal was changed and credited to O'Connor ...and then reverted back to Lawrence.
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