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Post by dill1015 on Oct 17, 2015 21:42:18 GMT
We were poor tonight. The second period was woeful.
Basic stick handling skills seemed to go out the window for a few players tonight, it cause so many turn overs it was becoming painful to watch. And the quality of passing was terrible, guys just not getting their heads up to see where they were putting the puck. We were also solidly out worked tonight which really isn't good enough.
Credit where it's due I thought Steelers were good tonight, well drilled and knew to keep us to the outside. They forechecked hard and it really seemed to fluster most of our D men. We missed Waugh tonight who is cool on the puck under pressure. Think this highlights our need to fill that defensive slot.
Positives: 1/ Wiikman, this is a guy who can win us silverware. 2/ Ultimately this is a meaningless game in practical terms. If we are going to have a bad game this was the one to do it on. 3/ If we can play that poorly against a team that fancies themselves for honours this year, and only finish 1 goal down that is promising. This Panthers team has several gears to go through yet. No need to panic. Think I'll put this one down to a bad day at the office.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 17, 2015 21:46:01 GMT
Thought Steelers were good, well worth the points, could've been a greater margin without Miika who was very good as usual. Too many not at it today.
As mentioned, at least it's a dead rubber game, but need to be better in the Skydome tomorrow.
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Post by spik on Oct 17, 2015 21:54:12 GMT
Went to my first game tonight - opps - didn't see the great team that we have been. As said a mere Cup qualifier that was not as important as tomorrows game.
Seems I turned up for the 'bum bite' from Lawrence (GWG)...
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 17, 2015 21:56:11 GMT
Thought Steelers were good, well worth the points, could've been a greater margin without Miika who was very good as usual. Too many not at it today. As mentioned, at least it's a dead rubber game, but need to be better in the Skydome tomorrow. I agree it was a dead rubber but it's still a question of pride in front of a full house at home and a non season ticket full house as well. We looked far better last week at their place.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 17, 2015 22:00:05 GMT
Fair point TFS, I agree. Hopefully they'll use it as a kick up the bum and it'll be the worst effort we see this year.
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Post by iginla on Oct 17, 2015 22:10:44 GMT
Decent 1st period,bloody terrible 2nd and 3rd.....11 shots in two periods and virtually none were of any quality. We need a Dman who can quarterback the pp becaus it ain't Stevie Lee,he is playing awful,even simple plays he's getting it wrong nearly every time,he needs a real kick up the pants. Apart from Schultz and Wiikman the rest were terrible.
Credit to Steelers,they played us perfectly and deserved to win by far more than one goal.
Then again,what can you expect from a team missing three imports,it's bloody mad !
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Post by John Casey on Oct 17, 2015 22:19:47 GMT
After tonight, I feel that we need a D-Man in and for players to shoot more instead of trying pass all the time (although Schultz's goal was very good)
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Post by EMB on Oct 17, 2015 22:29:04 GMT
We need a good Dman before our young guys lose their confidence, no disrespect to them at all but they are not good enough yet to carry all the load. Steve Lee hasn't been the same since his injury and being signed to a multi year deal (5 yrs I hear) so comfortable that his job is stable, same for Lacho, and Clarke had a mare tonight as did a few others. We're going to have off nights but when it's against your nearest and dearest and a full house it's disappointing that the team don't turn up. To say Sheffield were short benched they totally owned us that 2nd period and deserved the win.
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Post by wgray on Oct 17, 2015 22:30:33 GMT
Standout players tonight were Schultz, always a threat and not many of the steelers players could get the puck off him, Wiikman made some great stops not much he could do for any of the goals, Janssen never stopped working and hitting, good on the break away
Poor performers of tonight were Lachowicz, so disinterested it was unreal, again didn't want to take anyone on or battle for the puck, Clarke, anonymous going forward and ruined the Moran and Kolnik line, Lee, no way near good enough to to control PP, can never got a shot on target, too many turnovers and not strong enough when battling on the boards
I really think we are missing Waugh carry and distributing the Puck from defence, we have struggled with that in recent weeks, we need another dman to reduce the ice time of Lee and Swindlehurst, they're being put under too much pressure in terms of playing time and for me aren't good enough to win league titles, in comparison to the defence we had in the grand slam year
Another major factor for me is the fact that the forward lines still aren't correct for me, I know we are missing and awaiting players but once set correctly we will be a lot more potent than tonight, we should go with
Farmer Moran Kolnik Schultz Bohmbach Ling Clarke Myers Janssen Lacho Macmillan Mosey/Betteridge
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 17, 2015 22:42:20 GMT
Can we please stop making no look plays? The amount of times they keep trying fancy plays and coughing it up is so frustrating.
Tlto credit the Steelers, they play a good hig pressure game with a high forecheck which is exactly what you need to do against the Panthers. This defence, just like last year's, can't handle a good high forecheck. It doesn't have the ability to punish teams for the risk a high line involves.
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Post by EMB on Oct 17, 2015 22:46:00 GMT
If past seasons are to go on tho' we won't get any settled lines because Corey likes to move them around to give us different options. We are almost in Nov and still don't have settled lines it's frustrating for us God knows what the players think.
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Post by iginla on Oct 17, 2015 22:47:30 GMT
Let's just pray that either Schmidt or Dimmen don't get injured......or our D is really going to struggle !
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 17, 2015 22:55:12 GMT
We were poor tonight. The second period was woeful. Basic stick handling skills seemed to go out the window for a few players tonight, it cause so many turn overs it was becoming painful to watch. And the quality of passing was terrible, guys just not getting their heads up to see where they were putting the puck. We were also solidly out worked tonight which really isn't good enough. Credit where it's due I thought Steelers were good tonight, well drilled and knew to keep us to the outside. They forechecked hard and it really seemed to fluster most of our D men. We missed Waugh tonight who is cool on the puck under pressure. Think this highlights our need to fill that defensive slot. Positives: 1/ Wiikman, this is a guy who can win us silverware. 2/ Ultimately this is a meaningless game in practical terms. If we are going to have a bad game this was the one to do it on. 3/ If we can play that poorly against a team that fancies themselves for honours this year, and only finish 1 goal down that is promising. This Panthers team has several gears to go through yet. No need to panic. Think I'll put this one down to a bad day at the office. Pretty much sums it up for me... Overall a very disappointing performance... although I think that some of the reactions on here are somewhat OTT. Probably because it was Sheffield, but there you go. A decidedly sub-par performance... if the Panthers had played as well as we've already seen they can, there could well have been a lot of glum faces atop orange jerseys at the final hooter. The passing was abysmal... partly the decision-making (so many long passes that Sheffield picked off quite easily) but also just the basic skills - both making and receiving a pass. The overall puck-handling was poor, quite frankly. Sheffield obviously wanted it more - they played harder and smarter. As much as it hurts to say it, they deserved the win. Not that it probably made much of a difference, but Darnell was shocking tonight... let them get away with ruddy murder. One of the bright points of the evening... Chris Lawrence now has a new nickname after that open-ice hit from Janssen... "Roadkill"! I'm still consoled by the fact that every other team in the league has conceded 5 goals or more at least once... and tonight was the most we have conceded in a game so far this season. The underlying indications are good, I think... just tonight was a bit of a stinker. Hopefully now to take it out on Coventry - in a game that actually matters.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 17, 2015 23:43:25 GMT
We were poor tonight. The second period was woeful. Basic stick handling skills seemed to go out the window for a few players tonight, it cause so many turn overs it was becoming painful to watch. And the quality of passing was terrible, guys just not getting their heads up to see where they were putting the puck. We were also solidly out worked tonight which really isn't good enough. Credit where it's due I thought Steelers were good tonight, well drilled and knew to keep us to the outside. They forechecked hard and it really seemed to fluster most of our D men. We missed Waugh tonight who is cool on the puck under pressure. Think this highlights our need to fill that defensive slot. Positives: 1/ Wiikman, this is a guy who can win us silverware. 2/ Ultimately this is a meaningless game in practical terms. If we are going to have a bad game this was the one to do it on. 3/ If we can play that poorly against a team that fancies themselves for honours this year, and only finish 1 goal down that is promising. This Panthers team has several gears to go through yet. No need to panic. Think I'll put this one down to a bad day at the office. Pretty much sums it up for me... Overall a very disappointing performance... although I think that some of the reactions on here are somewhat OTT. Probably because it was Sheffield, but there you go. The Pathers office hype the living hell out of it so they get the reaction when it goes badly wrong. Thompshon watched us play at their place last week and then came down and out coached to the point of being laughable. Live by the sword etc.
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Post by texpef on Oct 18, 2015 0:23:38 GMT
Considering the steelers were supposed to be short it was 18 v 18. Having been watching since Heineken days in this country imho it has always been the imports that win games and ultimately win leagues over the years with very very limited exceptions (Coopers for example or Tait in Coventry and earlier Clark years for us). This season we have played the majority of games 3 imports short, again imho unless this changes, this will ultimately scupper any chances the team have of winning the league with the team we are currently icing...
Oh and of those players short sheffield had they were still able to ice a full compliment of imports compared to our 3 short...given that which team were most likely to win?...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 0:44:19 GMT
Nothing game so I'm not too concerned that we lost to be honest, a bit like last Saturday. A win tomorrow is imperative however.
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Post by dexter on Oct 18, 2015 9:09:35 GMT
Steelers deserved the win, simple as. However, what worried me was the way they outmuscled and bullied us and they're not even that physical a team! We need another big d man imo.
Also, as others have said, it seems totally crazy that we're at this point in the season and still playing imports short and with no injury cover. We're already three down now in Waugh, Farmer and Lacho out and if we are serious about winning then we should get some players in on short term deals like Steelers have. Madness.
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Post by Mozzy on Oct 18, 2015 9:55:39 GMT
Considering the steelers were supposed to be short it was 18 v 18. Having been watching since Heineken days in this country imho it has always been the imports that win games and ultimately win leagues over the years with very very limited exceptions (Coopers for example or Tait in Coventry and earlier Clark years for us). This season we have played the majority of games 3 imports short, again imho unless this changes, this will ultimately scupper any chances the team have of winning the league with the team we are currently icing... Oh and of those players short sheffield had they were still able to ice a full compliment of imports compared to our 3 short...given that which team were most likely to win?... But you have the best Brits in the league so we're told, most of them import quality. Wasn't Nielsons's idea that if you had that many import quality Brits you maybe wouldn't need to sign that 13th import? Really why the fascination on more imports? I just don't get it.
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Post by Mozzy on Oct 18, 2015 9:57:38 GMT
Nothing game so I'm not too concerned that we lost to be honest, a bit like last Saturday. A win tomorrow is imperative however. Not what you said on your podcast Jono. It was a nothing game but being beaten twice on the bounce by your closest rivals and title challengers can't be good for morale.
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Post by Pies on Oct 18, 2015 10:42:07 GMT
I thought Lacho had a great game last night - I don't think people are giving him fair credit. If you look at the stats, he's in our top 5 for points i believe (i've checked, he is) - I rate Matthew Myers but he has 2 goals and no assists so far - Lacho is being used as a scapegoat IMO. I know points output aren't the be all and end all but he's getting points on the board - he's not going to be a power forward so he's doing what he's supposed to do. He blocked a shot last night and looks like he's injured himself - thats commitment in any way uyou look at it. Miika kept us in that game last night - the guys a great goalie whatever way you look at it. He wants to win as much as we do in the stands - He reminds me of Fox in that way - he'd throw himself into a brick wall to win for this club. overall a poor game for us - but if we get 2 points tonight, no one will care. congrats steelers you won the 2 dead rubbers. if they win all 8 league games, then i'll be worried. For now, enjoy your stanley cup win (they did win that last night didn't they? i mean it looked like they did anyway )
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 10:45:11 GMT
Losing against the caps who were 4 men down can't be good for morale either
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Post by Ghost on Oct 18, 2015 10:50:29 GMT
Nothing game so I'm not too concerned that we lost to be honest, a bit like last Saturday. A win tomorrow is imperative however. Not what you said on your podcast Jono. It was a nothing game but being beaten twice on the bounce by your closest rivals and title challengers can't be good for morale. Wouldn't have said the first game at your place killed much morale, Nottingham were arguably unfortunate to lose that game. Last night was the killer, largely because you were (or should have been) there for the taking. You had several guys playing out of position and were short on forward and D lines, yet still managed to outwork the Panthers. I would hope that's what will hurt them.
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Post by panthers_nyr on Oct 18, 2015 11:15:54 GMT
From the 2nd period onwards we were terrible and hate to say it but Steelers deserved the win (fans are overdoing the celebrations over a dead rubber) and as mentioned by others I don't have a concern yet as it was a meaningless game even though it was a chance to maybe give a message out to them. Asking too much of just 2 import d men, I still think we could/should try and sign Jon Landry, he is big and seems like he can be quite offensive too and does have a brief knowledge after playing for Clan a few seasons ago. If not another d man of a similar style to Landry could help us I think.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 11:19:27 GMT
Nothing game so I'm not too concerned that we lost to be honest, a bit like last Saturday. A win tomorrow is imperative however. Not what you said on your Podcast Jono I suggest you listen again Mozzy, I didn't offer any comment on the game.
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Post by GuinnessMan on Oct 18, 2015 11:21:54 GMT
[quote author=" Ghost" Last night was the killer, largely because you were (or should have been) there for the taking. You had several guys playing out of position and were short on forward and D lines, yet still managed to outwork the Panthers. I would hope that's what will hurt them. [/quote] They had Lawrence and Hay covering their 2 import injuries of Duco and Fretter, so had a full complement of imports though their lines would have been disrupted. Missing 1 Brit, Dowd.
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