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Post by fishman on Dec 10, 2014 19:54:37 GMT
With 4 wins out of 5 game is that then end of any hope of adding 1 or 2 new players to bolster the team, with 20 games in January & February period plus a semi final match up in the CC, I would hate to think because of being in the CHL and the 5 or 6 players that Panthers signed to play in the CHL that we have not got any money in the kitty !
Would take Robinson back anytime and then maybe tough guy who can play some hockey when he's not sticking up for team mates.
I did listen to the KOTG podcast they want a more physical game this weekend (Hull & Panthers) not seen any of the double header V Cardiff.
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Post by nate24 on Dec 10, 2014 20:52:02 GMT
Sighing new players is always risky, especially when wee are doing well. Robinson would bring mini Mal disruption though.
A tough guy could maybe help but get the wrong guy and you can waste an import slot and ice a liability like Henely last year.
That said the league is so close it wi take bold moves to win the trophies on offer we may have to take a high risk/ high reward situation. That would be exciting.
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Post by Warren on Dec 10, 2014 20:55:18 GMT
Whilst this isn't a directed at you Fishman, But do we need new players?
Well we do. we do need someone who can create something from nothing. We are doing well at Grinding out results with, well, grinders. There is no real sharp shooter. Clarke will score his usual share, but we cant survive on his goals alone.
I dont stand by the need for an out and out enforcer. A player who can play and who can enforce second. The biggest example of that is Lepine. Doubt he will come back though I see Elite prospects has him down as the Captain of his ECHL team.
Final food for thought, IF NB has got Europe in his eyes. He will want to return next season correct? The only guarantee for that is winning the league. So NB should have put all his money into this team to get that result. DO I think CN has used that cash correctly? nope. Were missing so many key pieces. (see above). I do think that a gamble was made on the CHL ringers, Not that they would perform well enough to progress to the next round and go on to the final but more that they would like it here / not find new clubs and want to stay. With the way Robinson stayed and still hasn't got a club (so I believe), i do think he might be back when he is eligible (Any budding Lawyers who know the UK visa Laws, care to work it out?)
though, if we are where we are after the Christmas period, I may treat myself and start to believe...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 23:19:51 GMT
If we signed Robinson back we'd be sorted I think. Agree we need creativity when people like Higgins aren't at full fitness. But no need for an enforcer on D when we have the statistically best Defence and Netminding in the league.
Signing new players doesn't always work. Just look at Belfast, head over to KOTG and there's fans saying Westgarth should be replaced and he's a Stanley Cup winner!! Has to be the right fit.
Even our past says that:
Kelsey Wilson - right fit
Joe Grimaldi - a right TIT!
Robinson knows the guys and he'd fit well. Corey needs to try and move heaven and earth to get him back. We're doing ok at the moment, the whole team is scoring points and that can only be a good thing. Add a bit more creativity up front and we'll be firing!
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Post by PantherG on Dec 11, 2014 6:49:10 GMT
We need Robinson and at least one more goal scorer. This team is average and trust me come the end of January that will become evident as we settle further down the league and Sheffield start to pull away at the top.
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Post by richard1969 on Dec 11, 2014 7:59:57 GMT
A ruthless team would let K Wall go and use his wages to fund another outfield player
I don't want Panthers to be like that though - do you?
K-Wall deserves ongoing support I think due to what he has given the club
Every club has a budget and constraints - even Panthers
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 11, 2014 8:10:35 GMT
A ruthless team would let K Wall go and use his wages to fund another outfield player I don't want Panthers to be like that though - do you? Yes I would if you are seriously looking at the big picture. There must be problems and doubts or they wouldn't have singed Modig for the rest of the season. I personally think that K-Wal and Modig will share ice time when K-wal is ready at the very least as Modig wouldn't have signed to sit in the stands. K-wal sells tickets as far as the club are concerned so unless he has a real issue he wont be going anywhere. Big crowds week in week out, good sponsorship too. Our constraints must be a country mile above a lot of other teams. |
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Post by richard1969 on Dec 11, 2014 8:28:24 GMT
I don't think K Wall sells tickets
Paying two import netminders to share the ice is madness
Forget about what you may think the budgets may be hypothetically suppose the choice was bin K Wall to fund another import outfield player would you be comfortable with that decision
I say that because that is a real decison and real type judgement call that professional sports clubs have to make on a regular basis
An import netminder injured without a long term relationship I'm sure would be off the wagebill by now freeing up wages for a new player
We can't have it both ways IMO
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Post by richard1969 on Dec 11, 2014 8:32:25 GMT
And professional sports clubs have to be run like businesses. I've never believed ice hockey is a goldmine and it's tough for all the clubs to make ends meet
Budgets get set coaches and management then have to work with them. You may not like the budget but when a player like K Wall gets injured (who won't be cheap) then the money you spend paying him to sit out is money that could be spent elsewhere
There's no easy answer and I'm sure the club feel obliged to support K Wall as I feel they should
But there's one big wagebill that could be spent elsewhere and improve us of course
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 11, 2014 9:04:04 GMT
And professional sports clubs have to be run like businesses. I've never believed ice hockey is a goldmine and it's tough for all the clubs to make ends meet If there wans't a lot of money to be made some of the clever businessmen involved would have walked away years ago. It just takes common sense to see the vast difference in revenue between the likes of the Panthers to Hull for instance. There will be lots that the team know that no one else does like the extent of his injury, is he just playing out his last year, what he is doing behind the scenes. In the great scheme of things I doubt very much when it all boils down that K-Wal really costs the club a lot at all and he will be back at some point. Professional sport and business really don't do things like "oblige" and nor should they. I think there is a bigger picture with K-Wal. |
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 11, 2014 9:28:18 GMT
I would personally gas 3 and bring in 4. (Yes I know it's not my money and yes I know that I'm not an Ice Hockey coach).
Just my opinion.
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Post by fishman on Dec 11, 2014 9:36:41 GMT
I would personally gas 3 and bring in 4. (Yes I know it's not my money and yes I know that I'm not an Ice Hockey coach). Just my opinion. Who would you axe and what players would you bring in? |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 11, 2014 9:48:01 GMT
I would personally gas 3 and bring in 4. (Yes I know it's not my money and yes I know that I'm not an Ice Hockey coach). Just my opinion. I am not sure at this point that I would gas anyone at all but I would bring in one or two players to shake things up a bit and bring a bit of competition for ice time. We need to be putting the puck in the net and we need a play maker along the likes of Ling or Robinson who can cause other teams as many problems off the puck as the actual plays they set up. *If* the Panthers Org are really serious about the CHL they will need to have their sights set higher than just being there by default and then once they do get there they don't just want to be there to get tonked and make up the numbers. I have always been uncomfortable with the idea of just having enough imports to use in a team. Professional team sport needs to have competition for places and cover for injuries if it has ambitions to move forwards. I am pretty sure that we will have another import shortly as the season turns the corner and teams start the push to the end. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 11, 2014 9:54:51 GMT
I would personally gas 3 and bring in 4. (Yes I know it's not my money and yes I know that I'm not an Ice Hockey coach). Just my opinion. Who would you axe and what players would you bring in? I would have gassed Lawrence a few weeks back so what do I know.  I also had worries about Landry so I would have been wrong there too. The constant line changes forced by injury caused big problems and I have known David Clark for years and he is a really top bloke *but* I think he should be allowed to give 100% to putting the puck in the net with no other distractions and a team needs someone who can pick the game up by the scruff of the neck and "make it happen". We are missing that at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 9:58:07 GMT
We need Robinson and at least one more goal scorer. This team is average and trust me come the end of January that will become evident as we settle further down the league and Sheffield start to pull away at the top. Exactly finally someone who agrees with me. Theres very little hint of them shaking up this team with new signings! |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 11, 2014 10:01:24 GMT
We need Robinson and at least one more goal scorer. This team is average and trust me come the end of January that will become evident as we settle further down the league and Sheffield start to pull away at the top. Exactly finally someone who agrees with me. Theres very little hint of them shaking up this team with new signings! I have a suspicion that the new signing is a returning player and they are waiting for the players other options and paperwork to fall into place. |
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Post by ted logan on Dec 11, 2014 10:24:44 GMT
If we get Robinson back then we should go for an out and out top line. Corey has always seemed to prefer balanced lines but I feel that if we wants to get the best out of Bruce Graham, he has to put him on a line with our best player. This would be Robinson and he could hopefully do for Bruce, what David Ling did in the Grand Slam team. This solves both the playmaker and sniper/goalscorer problem just by bringing in the right player and playing him on the right line. Benedict would be the grit/grind of this line.
I'd still like to see a Kelsey Wilson/Leigh Salters type forward too though.
Lastly, i still think we could upgrade on D and Berube could easily be improved upon. He just hasn't impressed me at all, i thought we were signing a hard hitting, in your face, tough guy who would stick up for his team mates and wouldn't be afraid to drop the gloves. I haven't really seen any of this from him, pretty lightweight really and turnovers galore.
So, bring in Robinson for Jacina. Bring in a physical forward. Replace Berube with Lepine (I wish) or similar. Net result of just 1 further import (surely we can afford this?) which gives us more options amongst the forwards which we need IMHO.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 11, 2014 10:28:24 GMT
If we get Robinson back then we should go for an out and out top line. Corey has always seemed to prefer balanced lines but I feel that if we wants to get the best out of Bruce Graham, he has to put him on a line with our best player. This would be Robinson and he could hopefully do for Bruce, what David Ling did in the Grand Slam team. This solves both the playmaker and sniper/goalscorer problem just by bringing in the right player and playing him on the right line. Benedict would be the grit/grind of this line. I'd still like to see a Kelsey Wilson/Leigh Salters type forward too though. Lastly, i still think we could upgrade on D and Berube could easily be improved upon. He just hasn't impressed me at all, i thought we were signing a hard hitting, in your face, tough guy who would stick up for his team mates and wouldn't be afraid to drop the gloves. I haven't really seen any of this from him, pretty lightweight really and turnovers galore. So, bring in Robinson for Jacina. Bring in a physical forward. Replace Berube with Lepine (I wish) or similar. Net result of just 1 further import (surely we can afford this?) which gives us more options amongst the forwards which we need IMHO. I wouldn't replace Jacina personally. In fact I would begrudge replacing anyone when I think a bit of competition for places would be a good thing. |
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Post by ted logan on Dec 11, 2014 10:41:38 GMT
If we get Robinson back then we should go for an out and out top line. Corey has always seemed to prefer balanced lines but I feel that if we wants to get the best out of Bruce Graham, he has to put him on a line with our best player. This would be Robinson and he could hopefully do for Bruce, what David Ling did in the Grand Slam team. This solves both the playmaker and sniper/goalscorer problem just by bringing in the right player and playing him on the right line. Benedict would be the grit/grind of this line. I'd still like to see a Kelsey Wilson/Leigh Salters type forward too though. Lastly, i still think we could upgrade on D and Berube could easily be improved upon. He just hasn't impressed me at all, i thought we were signing a hard hitting, in your face, tough guy who would stick up for his team mates and wouldn't be afraid to drop the gloves. I haven't really seen any of this from him, pretty lightweight really and turnovers galore. So, bring in Robinson for Jacina. Bring in a physical forward. Replace Berube with Lepine (I wish) or similar. Net result of just 1 further import (surely we can afford this?) which gives us more options amongst the forwards which we need IMHO. I wouldn't replace Jacina personally. In fact I would begrudge replacing anyone when I think a bit of competition for places would be a good thing. In an ideal world, i wouldn't replace him either, i'd just bring in Robinson and a Wilson/Salters type player. But there seems to be such a tight grip on the purse strings that I feel that to do the changes i'd like to see, somebody would have to go. I wasn't overly impressed with Jacina last season and wasn't overly fussed when we re-signed him. Having said that he started off ok this season but has been largely anonymous just lately. I'd loved to see much more competition for places but can't see us running with any more than 1 spare import forward, if that. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 11, 2014 10:44:26 GMT
I wouldn't replace Jacina personally. In fact I would begrudge replacing anyone when I think a bit of competition for places would be a good thing. In an ideal world, i wouldn't replace him either, i'd just bring in Robinson and a Wilson/Salters type player. But there seems to be such a tight grip on the purse strings that I feel that to do the changes i'd like to see, somebody would have to go. I wasn't overly impressed with Jacina last season and wasn't overly fussed when we re-signed him. Having said that he started off ok this season but has been largely anonymous just lately. I'd loved to see much more competition for places but can't see us running with any more than 1 spare import forward, if that. He has possibly been playing through an injury and that's the problem with not having a spare. |
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 11, 2014 10:51:46 GMT
I would personally gas 3 and bring in 4. (Yes I know it's not my money and yes I know that I'm not an Ice Hockey coach). Just my opinion. Who would you axe and what players would you bring in? Out Jacina Parent Berube In Robinson or other creative winger Power Forward Goal Scoring Centre Big Physical D man |
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Post by fishman on Dec 11, 2014 10:52:36 GMT
I would keep what we have and add 2 or 3 more players, Panthers have from Sat 20th Dec to 1st March 17 games + a CC semi V Steelers if all go to plan, we need cover for injuries and give the odd player a 1 or 2 game rest, would love to see Brits step up but not sure who that would be?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 11, 2014 10:59:47 GMT
Who would you axe and what players would you bring in? Out Jacina Parent Berube In Robinson or other creative winger Power Forward Goal Scoring Centre Big Physical D man I like Parent over the last few games. |
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 11, 2014 11:02:37 GMT
Out Jacina Parent Berube In Robinson or other creative winger Power Forward Goal Scoring Centre Big Physical D man I like Parent over the last few games. Me to. He has stepped up his game a bit. Unfortunately we are just scoring too few goals and the import forward are the main reason for that IMHO. It was between him and Benedict for the chop for me and Benny has the history to suggest that he can score points at a good rate in the EIHL. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 11:07:05 GMT
Getting rid of Benny ! i`ve heard it all now , only the most hard working player on the team.. yeah lets get rid
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