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Post by tootootrain on Dec 24, 2013 9:37:26 GMT
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Post by kezypanther on Dec 24, 2013 10:15:07 GMT
This is the line that annoys me most:
McEwan added: "Belfast didn't want to play three games in three nights.
Who gives a stuff about what another team wants ?
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Post by claretgiant on Dec 24, 2013 10:21:36 GMT
easier run in the CC?.......well that's because the Giants won their group and played the 4th placed in yours, this being Hull?. Or is it more difficult for you because the 4th placed team you have to play is Braehead? The decision to double up the Hull fixture on the 30th December was obviously going to happen, but the decision to make it just a one leg quarter final was made by Hull and obviously sanctioned by the league. Im sure this thread wouldnt exist if your game was the home leg and that it was made a one off.
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Post by kezypanther on Dec 24, 2013 10:32:40 GMT
easier run in the CC?.......well that's because the Giants won their group and played the 4th placed in yours, this being Hull?. Or is it more difficult for you because the 4th placed team you have to play is Braehead? The decision to double up the Hull fixture on the 30th December was obviously going to happen, but the decision to make it just a one leg quarter final was made by Hull and obviously sanctioned by the league. Im sure this thread wouldnt exist if your game was the home leg and that it was made a one off. By easier run I'm sure OP means the group that you came out of. Then changing it to a one legged QF. You can't honestly say that should be allowed ? I'm also sure we would have a lot of fans speaking out if we changed ours to a one legged game.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 24, 2013 10:33:11 GMT
easier run in the CC?.......well that's because the Giants won their group and played the 4th placed in yours, this being Hull?. Or is it more difficult for you because the 4th placed team you have to play is Braehead? The decision to double up the Hull fixture on the 30th December was obviously going to happen, but the decision to make it just a one leg quarter final was made by Hull and obviously sanctioned by the league. Im sure this thread wouldnt exist if your game was the home leg and that it was made a one off. And you wouldn't be so quick to get on the defensive either Sheesh
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Post by claretgiant on Dec 24, 2013 10:41:43 GMT
im not defending it in any way....IMO it should be over 2 legs, that's how it was set-out, that's what should happen. But once again the powers that be have managed to cause arguments because they change things at the drop of a hat. I think there should be some re-vamp to this competition, what that is im not really sure.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 24, 2013 10:47:40 GMT
im not defending it in any way....IMO it should be over 2 legs, that's how it was set-out, that's what should happen. But once again the powers that be have managed to cause arguments because they change things at the drop of a hat. I think there should be some re-vamp to this competition, what that is im not really sure. The most obvious change is to cut out the quarter-finals altogether. What's the point of playing all of these 'mini-league' matches just to eliminate one team per mini-league? Go back to top 2 going through as it used to be. Quite why it was changed in the first place is beyond me
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Post by bobness on Dec 24, 2013 11:04:20 GMT
And that's a fair point. Just a poor bit of thinking by the league. What other sport would this happen in?
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Post by tootootrain on Dec 24, 2013 11:47:24 GMT
Just a poor bit of thinking by the league. What other sport would this happen in? Indeed. "We know Stanley Cup rounds are normally best of seven but hey, its a bit unfair on Phoenix having to host Chicago what with their financial problems and all so, just for them, they can play best of one game, in Chicago. Oh and it'll count as one of their league games for next season." Fulfilling the basic rules of league competitions (the QF being two-legged in this case) should not be open to change. Double up league and CC games if teams must but, when other teams are playing home/away for the QF and Belfast/Hull aren't how can the competition be considered a fair one? Can Panthers tell Braehead to do one with regards the return fixture?
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Post by panthertom93 on Dec 24, 2013 12:01:41 GMT
Excellent point above regarding Braeheads return fixture! Surely with the result as it stands, they will suffer the same issues hull about not making any profit?
Wasn't the QF added so that clubs COULD make profit from the extra games and revenue? If teams like Hull aren't making any money then shouldn't it just be scrapped? I'm sure the league challenging teams wouldn't miss it due to extra games being cut.
The only argument would come from teams who finish 3rd/4th in the group who think they have a chance at winning the trophy.
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Post by BlogFromBlock15! on Dec 24, 2013 12:12:15 GMT
Interesting comment where McEwen says that they didn't want to pay Belfast's costs for coming over for a home leg?
Has it always been that way? I would have thought Belfast would have had to travel at their expense?
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Post by tootootrain on Dec 24, 2013 12:42:48 GMT
Interesting comment where McEwen says that they didn't want to pay Belfast's costs for coming over for a home leg? Has it always been that way? I would have thought Belfast would have had to travel at their expense? I think he is talking about the cost of using the Hull Arena for what may effectively be a dead rubber. I can't see that, even in a league as Mickey Mouse as the EIHL, hosting teams would have to pay the travelling team's costs. It'd be bonkers if that were the case and would raise the question of "why?"
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Post by spik on Dec 24, 2013 13:10:04 GMT
...and by not wanting a dead rubber return Hull are giving up before their own fans. You know the type of fan,who think we are 'having a laugh' stating we are 3 times domestic cup winners. So much for all the hype the club then does trying to sell their team as a great thing to watch. No wonder they ask why Nottingham's marketing is so much better.
The quarter final is ok it's the silly pre quarter group that is ridiculous. All that shenanigans to loose one team....and so be it if it's to help with funds but not at the expense of interupting the latter and what are more important games in the knock - out stage. The actual quarter finals needs to be better NOT create something like this mini league that produces nothing then tarnishes the rest of the competition.
As I have always stated, loose a few games in the league (they obviously have too many because these are being used for Cup games - double ups) and bolster these failing Cup competitions. Plus they can tamper with it to appease the lesser funded teams which has brought about lob sided opportunity (similar to Belfast's Cup group)....
If you think about it 'claretgiant'.....us (Panthers) in a mini league like yours and YOU in the one we are in. Is that ok? So ther is one WE can put to the league....we play ALL our games v easier opposition as WE can afford it?
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Post by Yotes on Dec 24, 2013 13:57:07 GMT
How ridiculous, devaluing the competition even further. If they can't treat it properly I'd rather they didn't bother at all, just play league and playoffs.
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Post by Shorty on Dec 24, 2013 14:08:21 GMT
A cup competition that always gets "devalued", a "beer league" and a playoff series that can be won in a handful of games....add to that a club who is more bothered about profit than the on ice performance and results of the team. I sometimes wonder why some people bother going.
Oh, and we won all these last season, and despite the numerous comments similar to the ones above celebrated each and every trophy.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 24, 2013 14:18:40 GMT
I don't remember a team being allowed to alter the format of the competition last year? When was that?
Presumably it'll be fine for teams like Hull and the Capitals to not bother at all next year, after all is unlikely they'll win it and the travel and hosting costs would be nice to avoid?
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Post by BigLad on Dec 24, 2013 17:57:43 GMT
What's the cost of a forfeit? 5-0? So Hull should start the leg in Belfast 5-0 down yeah?
This is complete and utter bull and the league should punish the clubs involved.
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Post by grumpy on Dec 24, 2013 18:40:40 GMT
Absolutely farcical. You would think that the "lesser" teams such as Hull (yes, I do know they put 7 past us last week) would be particularly keen to give the cup competition a real go as it represents the only realistic chance of a trophy. Surely, given their good form at the moment, they would give themselves a chance against Belfast over two legs, and, surely, if the game was vigorously promoted, they could attract a decent crowd. Last season even Edinburgh managed to sell out the barn for one of their local derby games towards the end of the season - a lot of cut price tickets no doubt but they at least made an effort to bring in a crowd and create an atmosphere to push the team - unfortunately, they lost, but what is the point of sport if you don`t even bother to compete?
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Post by spik on Dec 25, 2013 0:21:49 GMT
The precedant has been set. Maybe they want UK hockey reps to refuse to play in the Continental Cup and make life easier for themselves. We certainly could have considering our full fixture (come injury) list.
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Post by sameagain on Dec 25, 2013 8:52:39 GMT
Where's Hanson when you need him?
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Post by mournelass on Dec 25, 2013 21:09:15 GMT
BigLad, why should Belfast be punished because Hull don't want to fulfil their fixture?
Fwiw, Belfast fans' reactions are much the same as the ones on here! You can't just change the rules at random if they don't suit - it's ridiculous! Time for a re-vamp of this competition that is acceptable to the clubs and then stick to whatever is decided.
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Post by pantherdman on Dec 25, 2013 22:31:19 GMT
The challenge cup is an utter joke even before this. You basically have to win 3 games and you get a trophy.
Why did hull even enter the competition?
Just cancel it and cut straight to panthers vs Belfast over 2 legs for the cup.
Ps, let's check the rule book on this. Will it save the chairmen money? It's legal.
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Post by spik on Dec 25, 2013 22:45:52 GMT
BigLad, why should Belfast be punished because Hull don't want to fulfil their fixture?
Fwiw, Belfast fans' reactions are much the same as the ones on here! You can't just change the rules at random if they don't suit - it's ridiculous! Time for a re-vamp of this competition that is acceptable to the clubs and then stick to whatever is decided. I suppose it's because they are happy to do this. To avoid the 3 games in a row situation as has been stated. Whatever we think of the competition. It is not the format as much as those actually governing it.
Mini leagues are used in order to get revenue in BUT it falls foul when teams suddenly want to back off from that. It should be full commitment or nothing.
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Post by PantherTom on Dec 26, 2013 0:34:11 GMT
The challenge cup is an utter joke even before this. You basically have to win 3 games and you get a trophy. Why did hull even enter the competition? Just cancel it and cut straight to panthers vs Belfast over 2 legs for the cup. Ps, let's check the rule book on this. Will it save the chairmen money? It's legal. I think you are on about the play offs, you play 14 games if you win the competition
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Post by BigLad on Dec 26, 2013 0:46:09 GMT
BigLad, why should Belfast be punished because Hull don't want to fulfil their fixture? Fwiw, Belfast fans' reactions are much the same as the ones on here! You can't just change the rules at random if they don't suit - it's ridiculous! Time for a re-vamp of this competition that is acceptable to the clubs and then stick to whatever is decided. (a) They've agreed to the situation (b) They didn't want to play 3 games in a row Therefore just as guilty as Hull are. Complete and utter farce.
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