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Post by heja on Oct 2, 2004 20:52:06 GMT
Panthers played really well, had tons of shots and made guildford look like a poor side
The Ref was alfull, if he had called a penalty before moran had the fight there would of been no fight, they always do that, THEY CAUSE FIGHTS
You could even blame the refs for he Check on the netminder(thats all it was a CHECK) because he has been hooked, slashed, triped and held in all seven gamwes this season and he had had enough( i would too) also there was nothing wrong with there netminder he was just milking it by the looks of it how he skated of the ice on his own and smiled when he got to the bench. The most i would of given JC would of been 5 plus game for goalie interfernce, and the least would of been 2+10 for goalie interfernce
That netminder will be play tomorrow un hurt i can garuntee you he will, he could of carried on tonight if he had to or needed to.
If jJC had checked a normal player in the same way he would of got 2 mins for interferce as the player would of got stright up un hurt, so i don't know why a netminder would of been hurt worse, as he has a couple of inch thick pads and a full face helmet.
as i said if i was JC i would of done the same thing because i would of been so frustrated, having been hocked, slashed and hooked all unpenalised for 7 games just because he's JC.
The refs need to start using there heads. You don't call penalties on the bigger team just because there winning, If it is a penalty you call it no matter who is playing who.
also how many times in the past season have the refs caused fight do to not calling penalties and the players get annoyed so go and do what moran did tonight.
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Post by Sussex Panther on Oct 2, 2004 21:02:29 GMT
For some reason I thought this thread was going to contain a game report.
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Post by heja on Oct 2, 2004 21:04:30 GMT
there you are ;D LOL
Clarke was amazing first hatrick for panthers and a good one at there could of probably got more.
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Post by Samxpenguin on Oct 2, 2004 21:06:57 GMT
Ok....Tim, how the hell can you say that it was a normal 'check', did you see it? wher eyou watching? there was NO need for Craighead to do that atall, we were cruising 7-2 with a minute to go. It was a pathetic challenge, that deserved th penalty it got. He was frustrated, nto due to referees but due to his own performance, he looked like he wa sup for a fight all evening. But no one would give him one, so he took it out in a way i'd previously associate with Paxton Schulte.
It was a pathetic, cowardly and pointless check...if you coudl class it as a check. Why did he ruin a great Pantehrs perfrmance with that.
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Post by heja on Oct 2, 2004 21:13:17 GMT
Because it was a check, any player (other than the netminder would have got up and had a word with him or mabye a fight. they wouldn't of stayed down milking it for 5minutes, as when he got up he was clearly un hurt.
the paramedics behind the goal never even flinched, and they would know if they was needed or not.
yes it might deserve a match penalty but it certainly doesn't deserve any more than that. if it was a match penalty in the first place, Morans attack on there player was worse than JC check of the netminder.
Oh yeah i forgot he's a brit it doesn't matter what he does, as he is only a brit, and doesn't matter if he has a bad game as he is a brit.
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Post by loonypeter on Oct 2, 2004 21:14:24 GMT
what penalty did he receive for the check?
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Post by heja on Oct 2, 2004 21:15:04 GMT
Match penalty or excesive roughing
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Post by Helen on Oct 2, 2004 21:18:54 GMT
You sit in 16, right Heja?
I was in 14 so had a clearer view, looked to me like the keeper went down, and after his helmet flew off he got a good crack on the back of the head.
"Ow" is the word that comes to mind.
I'm pretty sure YOU wouldn't have been able to get up for a while after that!
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Post by Samxpenguin on Oct 2, 2004 21:19:43 GMT
Yeah, even if it was a 'normal' check, which from where i wa slooking (about 2 rows behind you) it didnt look like it. It was pointlessly harsh, why take out the keeper, it didnt gain him ANYTHING, and i think he realised that after the game...he didnt look very happy atall.
So Heja are you saying he didn't deserve the match penalty?
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Post by James on Oct 2, 2004 21:21:21 GMT
Good game by the Panthers. I really disliked the check at the end, it was not a fierce check and the goalie was obviously milking it. But I am damn annoyed that we will be short benched tomorrow as there was no need for it.
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Post by Heanor Lair on Oct 2, 2004 21:22:53 GMT
I was disappointed by what Craighead did. Forget about the keeper milking it, or the ref calling it wrong, Craighead should not have checked the way he did.
He let the whole team down with his stupidity, and lets face it hes been on self destruct all season.
He seems to have an attitude problem at the moment, and although I reconize him for the talent he is , unless he changes I would say cut him from the team. Pims cost games, and we can't afford in such a tight league to have stupidity like we saw tonight.
We face a very good Bracknell side without him tomorrow. If we get beat I certainly hope that the Panthers management make some firm decsions with regards to Craigheads ill discipline.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2004 21:34:12 GMT
Good game by the Panthers. I really disliked the check at the end, it was not a fierce check and the goalie was obviously milking it. But I am damn annoyed that we will be short benched tomorrow as there was no need for it. Agree. However, the way 88 has performed this season he won't be missed!
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Post by heja on Oct 2, 2004 21:34:56 GMT
I don't condone what he did, just that he didn't deserve the match penalty.
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Post by MP on Oct 2, 2004 21:38:54 GMT
He let the whole team down with his stupidity, and lets face it hes been on self destruct all season. He seems to have an attitude problem at the moment, and although I reconize him for the talent he is , unless he changes I would say cut him from the team. Pims cost games, and we can't afford in such a tight league to have stupidity like we saw tonight. Well put HL - a very good summing up of the situation. That sort of play has no place in hockey for me. I certainly don't wan't to see my team behaving like this.
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Post by Lucy on Oct 2, 2004 21:44:38 GMT
"also there was nothing wrong with there netminder he was just milking it by the looks of it how he skated of the ice on his own and smiled when he got to the bench"
How come you say he smiled when he got to the bench? We sit right next to the away bench - where do you sit Heja? I can assure you he wasn't smiling, in fact he was almost bent double, so how come you saw a smile? The doctor seemed to indicate there was a shoulder injury.
He also took a crack on the head when he went down, and I was disgusted to hear some Panthers fans shout 'oscar'. What happened in Coventry, I wonder.........Need I say more!
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Post by heja on Oct 2, 2004 21:49:40 GMT
i was meant to say someone behind me said that he smiled.
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Oct 2, 2004 21:53:20 GMT
I sit in block 9 row B and had a clear view of Craighead's run up to the final hit. I do not think he should ahve done what he did, especially at that time of the game with that score line, but i have to agree with Tim on some points. The goalie has so much more protection then the players, how could it have hurt that much? When a player takes a slapshot and it hits the keeper in the face mask, usually, he just takes his helmet off and checks for damage. Also, like Tim said, had it been a Defender that was on the receiving end of the hit, do you think he would ahve got a match penalty or if it was another player (Ahlroos/Cadotte: and I know that they would never dream of doing it, BUT) do you think the penalty would have been a match.
Why was the penalty for excessive rough behaviour, I can understand Unsportsmanlike conduct because there was no need for JC to do it.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Oct 2, 2004 21:55:09 GMT
I will put my twopenth in on tonights game rather than start a thread on the appalling conduct of number 88.
The game, good performance by the team who on the whole out played Guildford. Cruickshank was in great form. although on a couple of occasions when he was having a word with the ref and the linesmen he was probably asking if they had seen his defence!! He was left high and dry on several occasion and apart from once came up big. The brit line of Clarke, Moran, Myers - what can you say 5 goals between them - superb. The referring was abysmal, Hanson is obviously attempting to retain his title of the leagues worst referee. He missed or ignored many fouls including 3 blatent trips on Ivan. This man will end up referring a game, and through his incompetance, someone will get seriously hurt. Does the league not keep a check on the referees, this man sets himself low standards and continually fails to live up to them.
Now, Mr Craighead. The man is a liability and we we will not win games with him in the team. Tonight his contribution was to take 2 dumb penalties, turn the puck over and gift them a goal, try and pick a needless fight with a player who got the better of him, and to top it all he fouls the netminder with the sole intention of provoking a fight. There was no need for him to do it in the last two minutesd of play and then he dropped the gloves straight away in anticipation of someone having a what he wanted. In my opinion, he is a disgrace to the team and they should take the bull by the horns and axe him. He is a talented player and when he wants to play is a joy to watch. But as I have seen this season, he is not the best player on the ice, he is not even the second best player, and sometimes not even the 3rd, but he is a good player, however this talent only seems to appear when he feels like it. If I only proformed in my job when I felt like it I would be jobless very soon! The incident tonight marred what was a good game and I hope the man looks at his conduct and is ashamed of himself.
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Post by brentford on Oct 2, 2004 21:55:39 GMT
Is'nt it strange how we all interpret incidents, there was me thinking Adey was having a go at Marple about some serious acting, excessive roughness new one on me suppose it must be there somewhere never heard it called before.
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Post by Heanor Lair on Oct 2, 2004 21:59:46 GMT
Good post CHRI5
Of course those of us who were at Hull last week were given a taste of his muppetry, a 2+10 for an incident which had nothing to do with him, and which he should have not been involved in.
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Post by heja on Oct 2, 2004 21:59:57 GMT
I though JC played really well up to that incident unlucky not to score and got an assist.
I'm not too bothered if theyget rid of JC but i doubt they will as he doesn't deserved to be kicked out.
i'm sure people on here think if he doesn't score a goal he has had a crap game.
Oh and that turn over he had no choice but to try and shoot it in on net which got blocked by a stick and resulted in a Breakawy.
by far the worst signing so far has been Krulis, he was at the wrong end of teh ice about 10 times tonight
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Post by MP on Oct 2, 2004 22:08:48 GMT
You know Tim, I think your views on the games are more accurate when you don't go to the game than when you actually do go and watch.....
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Oct 2, 2004 22:11:04 GMT
I think people are forgetting that John was brought to this club solely for his Size and his fighting ability. The man's an enforcer. Fair enough he's a damn good player and he proved this last year with all his goals and points, but without him no one would stand up for anyone. A couple of years ago we had Baz, and he was by far a worse player than Johnny is yet people didn't seem to mind him sitting in the penalty box (until we had Wood and Clarke in there with him) Sure Moran, Myers and Magdosko have had fights this year but do you really think that without JC they'd stand a chance against the likes of Maxwell, Darling, Ewosko and Payette? The other big enforcers of the league would have a great time picking on all of our players if Johnny wasn't there.
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Post by Sussex Panther on Oct 2, 2004 22:13:27 GMT
Or perhaps none of the other teams would have signed such players if we hadn't brought JC over last year?
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Post by heja on Oct 2, 2004 22:14:27 GMT
exactly
what ever people say about JC he has help our club no end since joing including this season, if we didn't have him we would basically be pushovers, no one scared to have a go. I mean would you be scared to fight moran, he got hamered tonight by there guy, even though he was teh one who jumped him and had him on the ice punching him.
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