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Post by KingRich on Oct 2, 2004 22:19:14 GMT
He also took a crack on the head when he went down, and I was disgusted to hear some Panthers fans shout 'oscar'. What happened in Coventry, I wonder.........Need I say more! Oh the irony.... it's too much.
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Post by heja on Oct 2, 2004 22:23:08 GMT
I think you said he hurt his shoulder, yeah, god it must of hurt so much that he couldn't move his arm to rub his head???
How much are you betting that he isn't playing tomoorow or when ever there next game is.
i can 99.9% sure he will be, unless he sustains an injury betweeen now and th next game.
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Post by nickthepanther44 on Oct 2, 2004 22:26:53 GMT
there was NOTHING wrong with what craighead did. the goalie was out the crease so hes allowed to be checked (nieckar did it plenty of times) it wasnt even a nasty check, a normal player would have just got up and carried on but because it was a netminder he thought hed milk it for all it was worth, which he did. he then dropped his gloves because he thought someone would square up to him.
yes he was looking for a fight all 3rd period but so what, hes the ENFORCER so his job is to intimidate the other team which he did very well. its not his fault noone on there side had the guts to stand up to him.
nice to see moran get stuck in, shows his passion for the badge.
but anyway great game of hockey and well done clarkey
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Post by nickthepanther44 on Oct 2, 2004 22:28:47 GMT
i know its the same post as on the match report but the drinks taking its toll and i thort copy and paste would be safer
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Post by gazzathedevil on Oct 2, 2004 22:44:32 GMT
Sorry mate if a goalie is out of his crease he can NOT be checked i am positive on that one. and Enforcer or not it seems a lot of your fans are disgusted with what he did.
in my view from what i read, JC knows you cant check a goalie so obviously knew what would happen if he did
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Post by loonypeter on Oct 2, 2004 22:50:52 GMT
there was NOTHING wrong with what craighead did. the goalie was out the crease so hes allowed to be checked you are not aloud to check the goalie no matter where he is on the ice, even skating into the goalie without clearly making an attempt to get out of his way is a penalty.
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Post by heja on Oct 2, 2004 22:59:20 GMT
yeah it is a penalty but not a match penalty even if it is intentional.
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Post by James on Oct 2, 2004 23:00:04 GMT
there was NOTHING wrong with what craighead did. the goalie was out the crease so hes allowed to be checked (nieckar did it plenty of times) it wasnt even a nasty check, a normal player would have just got up and carried on but because it was a netminder he thought hed milk it for all it was worth, which he did. he then dropped his gloves because he thought someone would square up to him. Sorry you are wrong, no one is allowed to check the keeper and for JC to do what he did was stupid. I don't want JC to leave, no way. If he does teams will eat us alive. in JC we not only have a good enforcer, but we have a great player who can offer alot to the team. Craighead takes a lot less penalties than most enforcers in the league.
I thought his hit in the goalie was pretty pathetic, but if JC leaves us now we can kiss goodbye to any silverware that might be coming our way.
Who the heck would be able to stand up to Maxwell etc..
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Post by heja on Oct 2, 2004 23:05:03 GMT
i was just going to say that, you would never find a player that is as good as JC in both Scoreing and enforceing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2004 0:33:18 GMT
Right just to clear this up my friend lives in nottingham was sitting in the front row of block 6 (i think) and i got his view of the match this evening.
Basically he didnt see the hit JC made as he was watching th puck (which begs the question what were all you doing who "clearly" saw the hit) but as jc dropped his stick and gloves he looked like he knew he was going off the ice - NOT angry or ready for a fight or wanting a fight or anything like that.
Oh and i believe that you can check the goalie if he is handling the puck outside of his crease, evidently not an issue in this case as the puk was long gone. However could it have been just jc skating and unable to get stopped in time? Could be/might not i dont know didnt see it. Oh and what was the big furore after the incident anyone actually know what the coaches player and officials were chatting about? Maybe they were discussing going out to the cornerhouse for dinner after the game ;D
I think this is like the donkeygate incident on KOTG last weekend - a stupid incident blown way out of proportion by people who like to pick up on everything negative. People who will say the glass is "slightly more than half" empty, and then of course people on the bandwagon.
Adey will play JC - perhaps fine him but i gaurantee he will play the next game he can, and the talent he has will ensure that before long people will be saying "we woulda lost that game if it wasnt for 88" I mean who else can give you the psychological "dont mess with us or {name} will get you" edge?
I want to make a little prediction here - in Amiens JC will be the top points scorer for the panthers - cos by looking at your defence your gonna need all the offence you can get.
(ok that was a bit of a ramble but hey its late)
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Post by LooseChippings on Oct 3, 2004 6:55:13 GMT
For everyone that thinks that checking a net minder outside his crease or while he is playing the puck is allowed please have a read of the rule book...
Rule 514 - Calling of Penalties (Page 64)
➤ 3. A goalkeeper is not “Fair Game” just because he is outside of the goal crease area. A penalty for interference or charging should be called in every case where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with a goalkeeper.
522 - CHARGING[/u] (Page 65)
a) A player who runs, jumps or charges an opponent or who runs, jumps or charges opposing goalkeeper in his crease shall be assessed, at the discretion of the referee, - Minor penalty (2’) or - Major penalty + Automatic Game Misconduct penalty. (5’+GM) or - Match Penalty (MP) b) A player who injures his opponent as a result of charging shall be assessed, discretion of the referee, a: - Major penalty + Automatic Game Misconduct penalty. (5’+GM) or - Match Penalty (MP)
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Post by James on Oct 3, 2004 7:47:39 GMT
For everyone that thinks that checking a net minder outside his crease or while he is playing the puck is allowed please have a read of the rule book... Rule 514 - Calling of Penalties (Page 64) ➤ 3. A goalkeeper is not “Fair Game” just because he is outside of the goal crease area. A penalty for interference or charging should be called in every case where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with a goalkeeper. 522 - CHARGING[/u] (Page 65) a) A player who runs, jumps or charges an opponent or who runs, jumps or charges opposing goalkeeper in his crease shall be assessed, at the discretion of the referee, - Minor penalty (2’)or - Major penalty + Automatic Game Misconduct penalty. (5’+GM)or - Match Penalty (MP)b) A player who injures his opponent as a result of charging shall be assessed, discretion of the referee, a: - Major penalty + Automatic Game Misconduct penalty. (5’+GM)or - Match Penalty (MP)[/quote] So the reason JC got chucked out was because the keeper was injured. If the keeper is fine could he get is Match Penalty revoked?
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Post by LooseChippings on Oct 3, 2004 8:18:21 GMT
Injured?
What constitutes an injury?
If the nettie was winded does that mean he is injured?
I would say yes because at the time he was unable to carry on playing.
The thing is "Thou shalt not run/check/charge the nettie"
Anybody that does so could also be called for 'Excessive Roughness"
527 - EXCESSIVE ROUGHNESS Page 69 Any player who committs an action not permitted by the rules that may cause or causes an injury to an opponent, to a team or game official shall be assessed a: - Match Penalty (MP)
The Match Penalty is the only call for Excessive Roughness, so I would think that the penalty will stand and maybe the Flames may call for further action being as it was a cross league game and cannot be kept 'In House''!
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Post by Trap11 on Oct 3, 2004 8:55:44 GMT
Some of the reports on here are unbeliveable!. Less than half of you had a clear view of the incident, knew what REALLY happened & why. 1/ The incident stems from the Paul Moran fight. Paul, took off his visor the same time he dropped his gloves. The other guy didn't - Mopes simply couldn't touch the guy with his visor & helmet on. Hardly a fair fight eh?. 2/ Paul Adey, was livid & him & Stan Marple(?) got involved in some verbal sparring. Adey was heard to shout ''Is that your tough guy? He's a joke....I'll show you my tough guy''. Craighead was SENT out to show them who's boss - Suprisingly NO one was interested. No one wanted the fight 3/ Craighead, did bump the netminder - nothing more, nothing less. It wasn't a massive hit or check. I have no wish to see any player injured & I am not suggesting he was 'milking it' - buy does anyone know the extent of his injuries?. I do - he has a bruised leg. Hardly fits in with the idea of him being beheaded, crippled, injured for life does it?. 4/ Craighead IMMEDIATLEY after the incident dropped his gloves, & looked to the Guildford bench, as if to say ''Now will you fight me - You HAVE to fight me now''. So.... The massive goon hit you all claimed to see from block 17 & the car park, wasn't so. Also, before you slag the guy off - Remember, he is our number 1 enforcer, & was under instruction.
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Post by LooseChippings on Oct 3, 2004 9:02:46 GMT
Some of the reports on here are unbeliveable!. Less than half of you had a clear view of the incident, knew what REALLY happened & why. ... 3/ Craighead, did bump the netminder - nothing more, nothing less. It wasn't a massive hit or check. I have no wish to see any player injured & I am not suggesting he was 'milking it' - buy does anyone know the extent of his injuries?. I do - he has a bruised leg. Hardly fits in with the idea of him being beheaded, crippled, injured for life does it?. So the call was correct? So you are saying he did it to try and get a reaction from the Flames bench, if that was the case ...
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Post by Trap11 on Oct 3, 2004 9:06:22 GMT
If that is the case, then what
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Post by DS on Oct 3, 2004 10:03:03 GMT
Tim, you can't even make your mind up what penalty you would have given, nevermind whether the referee was correct.
He didn't check a normal player!! He went after the netminder which is not liked in Ice Hockey.
How would we feel if had it had been Cruickshank and was out for the season!
At the end of the day we were 7-2 up and there was no need to touch the netminder!
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Post by DS on Oct 3, 2004 10:07:57 GMT
He didn't shoot he tried to take the puck past the player and lost it. Look at his actual performance, yeah he got a point for a secondary assist, but was on the ice for both of there goals!
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Post by twix on Oct 3, 2004 10:21:21 GMT
Some of the reports on here are unbeliveable!. Less than half of you had a clear view of the incident, knew what REALLY happened & why... 1/ The incident stems from the Paul Moran fight... 2/ Paul Adey, was livid... Craighead was SENT out to show them who's boss... 3/ Craighead, did bump the netminder... 4/ Craighead IMMEDIATLEY after the incident dropped his gloves, & looked to the Guildford bench, as if to say ''Now will you fight me - You HAVE to fight me now''. ... Agree totally with your report of why it happened. Makes a difference when you know what was being said on the benches only moments before! On the other hand it did look to me was though JC as unnecessarily rough. Maybe that was just my view from block 15 but it looked like he twisted him with some force intowards the boards and everybody knows that a goalie is not going to be able to spin safely! Whilst I know what led up to it, the Guildford bench had made it clear they weren't going to fight. To go and hit an uninvolved netminder just because you want somebody to fight you with two minutes left on the clock? . Wasn't impressed earlier in the game with JC following a Guildford player around the ice trying to get him to fight just because the player had bettered him. IMHO JC proved again last night that he has too short a fuse. Dangerous in a hockey player. To the fans who started chanting 'Nottingham... ' and 'Oscar...' be very, very ashamed . I don't care if you think somebody is shamming, if they are down on the ice you stay silent because you don't know. On a nicer topic. Upto the last couple of minutes I was really enjoying the game. Serious credit to our brit line. Guildford had obviously seriously underestimated it. They were putting their two best lines (where possible as the away team) against our imports and leaving the brits to it. Mistake . Well done guys! twix
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Post by grayhead on Oct 3, 2004 10:26:31 GMT
Some of the reports on here are unbeliveable!. Less than half of you had a clear view of the incident, knew what REALLY happened & why. 2/ Paul Adey, was livid & him & Stan Marple(?) got involved in some verbal sparring. Adey was heard to shout ''Is that your tough guy? He's a joke....I'll show you my tough guy''. Craighead was SENT out to show them who's boss - Suprisingly NO one was interested. No one wanted the fight 4/ Craighead IMMEDIATLEY after the incident dropped his gloves, & looked to the Guildford bench, as if to say ''Now will you fight me - You HAVE to fight me now''. . Interesting points Trap. I too noticed the gestures to the Guildford bench (I'm in Block 6). He continued gesturing to Stan Marple whilst he was being led away to the changing room. I have to admit that I didn't see the incident happen. It confused me why it even happened in the first place. If Adey had sent out Craighead to do the deed, then all the comments on this forum aimed at Craighead should also be directed at Adey also. The Craighead incident took the gloss off the performance last night, but too many people are prepared to comment on one single action without knowing all the facts. I doubt all the facts will come out, others may simply be leaving themselves open to League punnishment.
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Post by girdeaux on Oct 3, 2004 10:26:54 GMT
To the fans who started chanting 'Nottingham... ' and 'Oscar...' be very, very ashamed . I don't care if you think somebody is shamming, if they are down on the ice you stay silent because you don't know. I can honestly say that I wasn't one of those people who did either, so my head's held high, & guilt free....Not saying you're accusing me flower On a nicer topic. Upto the last couple of minutes I was really enjoying the game. Serious credit to our brit line. Guildford had obviously seriously underestimated it. They were putting their two best lines (where possible as the away team) against our imports and leaving the brits to it. Mistake . Well done guys! twix I thought it was great advert for our sport...Perhaps not the running the goalie part...But an entertaining game none the less
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Post by heja on Oct 3, 2004 10:57:14 GMT
guess what so were 5 other players
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Post by heja on Oct 3, 2004 11:03:08 GMT
I don't see why we have to stay quite, injured or not we can still shout for our team. i didn't hear people shout oscar, but that might of been just because the people that shouted it were to far from me to hear, or i just was talking to someone else when it happened and wasn't listenig to the crowd.
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Post by texpef on Oct 3, 2004 13:17:10 GMT
posted this on another thread but relevent on this one too i think.. well it has certainly caused debate so heres my pennys worth, what craighead did was totally LEGAL if it hadnt have been then hanson (an EX KEEPER himself) would most certainly have penalised him for it. As it was he could only critisise him for EXCESSIVE ROUGH play (excessive rough play in ice hockey??!!! oh well had to happen one day i guess) and hanson was ALWAYS going to side with the keeper in any altercation. As for justified or not now that is a different argument, it looked to me that craighead was looking for a fight for whatever reason, and whether he or his coach thought this was a good way who knows, as it was it still didnt get the reaction that he was looking for.... Craighead was always a fav player of mine and i couldnt see where people where critical however this season he has been well below par, not scoring, not checking in fact skating around not doing to much in particular, whether there is another reason for this is unclear (under instructions from coach, illness whatever) but he certainly needs to pick up his game. If you look at the 3 forward lines his line of ahlroos, and cadotte are by far the weakest on our team and should be arguably the best given they played together last season (and it should be one of our most expensive). Imho i would say he isnt the most disappointing of the returnees though although given the puckbunnys on here i am loath to name him.......
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Post by Admin on Oct 3, 2004 13:22:47 GMT
posted this on another thread but relevent on this one too i think.. That what happens when people start threads for subjects already being discussed Tex.
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