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Post by spik on Dec 28, 2009 19:01:16 GMT
Would john123 be happy to swap his armchair for a blueseat in the near future if their gone from this league soon? Surely the sport is more important than the one team? If they are not here in a few years what war would they be fighting? I gloat, feel strong with my fellow fans, have great opinion of our club rather than some others and look forward to a string of your past history too with Nottingham written all over it too. Boy the tide turns and it's great stuff. ;D
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Post by tunster on Dec 28, 2009 19:04:27 GMT
plain and simple we are gash . Too many happy clappers who know cxxx all about hockey for me . As for the team just shows how much we did rely on ash/munn and finner not only as players but also as making other guys look good . i didnt expect anything else really we are a 6th placed team at best and are playting a team who are joint top. so what do we expect we have no devine right to win every game ............and believe me we havent ;D
too late to change anything for me , i can see us getting a smashing in the conti cup and then really its pot luck in the challenge cup and play offs {depending where we finish and if we get there } i just hope the damage done so far this season doesnt have lasting effects.
i think 1 word sums the steelers organisiation up this season "CHEAP".
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Post by spik on Dec 28, 2009 19:12:24 GMT
But to put all into the correct perspective.For GB hockey, I hope Sheffield do well in Europe.As our previous thread said so earlier on that Continental Cup.
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Post by shirtless on Dec 28, 2009 20:44:43 GMT
Fabulous ;D
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Post by thebestpanthers on Dec 28, 2009 20:48:44 GMT
Tunster mentioned happy clappers - I had a classic in front of me on Sunday - she spent the whole game looking at and talking to her mate - only stopping to clap when the rest of the crowd clapped and then followed it with "what happened" - this didn;t just happen once but nummerous times - she even jumped up and cheered on of our goals until she realised her mistake - 4 point week-end great - 4 point week-end against Squeelers - PRICELESS
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 28, 2009 22:27:19 GMT
Is this muppet wearing teal-tinted mirror shades... with the mirror on the inside?
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Post by BigLad on Dec 28, 2009 22:41:02 GMT
plain and simple we are gash . Too many happy clappers who know cxxx all about hockey for me . As for the team just shows how much we did rely on ash/munn and finner not only as players but also as making other guys look good . i didnt expect anything else really we are a 6th placed team at best and are playting a team who are joint top. so what do we expect we have no devine right to win every game ............and believe me we havent ;D too late to change anything for me , i can see us getting a smashing in the conti cup and then really its pot luck in the challenge cup and play offs {depending where we finish and if we get there } i just hope the damage done so far this season doesnt have lasting effects. i think 1 word sums the steelers organisiation up this season "CHEAP". I've said it elsewhere, but IMO you're missing Jody more than anyone else.
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 28, 2009 23:31:34 GMT
You know, the deluded numpties like this John123 are just a distraction from the real problem. We've all got 'em - arguably not as many as the Steelers, but that's by the by - and as amusing as it is to mock them, they aren't the real problem.
The real problem is all of the Steelers fans who are, quite simply, becoming ex-fans... mainly gradually, but it seems to be accelerating. This John123 and his ilk are living in a dreamworld... but it looks like their club is as well, because there doesn't appear to be much in the way of action to change things. Do they even recognise the problem? - are they even willing to recognise it?
Someone talked about not missing teams that have left the league... a short-sighted viewpoint IMHO. Even if the specific clubs may not have been the most 'valued' in the league (by whatever criteria people decide to use) they still made up the numbers. As do Sheffield. Personally, as the Steelers, I wouldn't miss them in the slightest. As another club in the league, damn right I would.
Question is - are people (in the club, in the fanbase, etc) going to wake up from their delusions and recognise the hole they're digging before it's too late? Hmmm... perhaps this John123 and the like are part of the real problem... a built-in smokescreen.
Say what you like about the Panthers' overall lack of success... at least we can't be said to be dependent upon success for our prosperity or even our very existence. It's looking like the same cannot be said of the Steelers. They took the wrong approach right from the start, and it's biting them on the bum now.
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Post by gemini on Dec 28, 2009 23:51:24 GMT
Congratulations on winning both games over the week-end folks! Enjoy your time of happiness. Anyway swiftly moving on its just a response to Pidges recent posting. Once again Pidge you are making reference to the Steelers organisation looking 'more and more fragile by the week'. Can you elaborate what you mean by this statement? If not perhaps you would be wise not to make such comments. Does you comments about 'what sad little people' apply to your wife and your other Steelers friends and family then? I have at times defended your ill considered and silly comments and statements, even when your own fans have comments about you but I have finally run out of patience with you.
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Post by howeaboutthat on Dec 29, 2009 0:04:47 GMT
I think one of the most telling indicators that thing may not be at all well in the Steelers camp is the decision by the teal and orange hero, Mr Finnerty, to return to the EIHL playing for someone other than Shuff.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 3:28:31 GMT
Congratulations on winning both games over the week-end folks! Enjoy your time of happiness. Anyway swiftly moving on its just a response to Pidges recent posting. Once again Pidge you are making reference to the Steelers organisation looking 'more and more fragile by the week'. Can you elaborate what you mean by this statement? If not perhaps you would be wise not to make such comments. Does you comments about 'what sad little people' apply to your wife and your other Steelers friends and family then? I have at times defended your ill considered and silly comments and statements, even when your own fans have comments about you but I have finally run out of patience with you. err im referring to the likes of john123, thomas and elliot hall to be precise they resort to bringing up the past in a attempt to cover up your two poor performances over the weekend, my wife and family knows theres problems they open their eyes unlike the majority of your fanbase look at your attendances when you re not playing nottingham, even by your own fans admission you play a boring brand of hockey, hence why the majority of your once more loyal fan base stay away or aren t you willing to admit that ? mary , stop cherry picking my comments just because you know me and look further afield as other posters notably shaggy say they same thing, i noticed you haven t quoted him
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 3:33:14 GMT
I think one of the most telling indicators that thing may not be at all well in the Steelers camp is the decision by the teal and orange hero, Mr Finnerty, to return to the EIHL playing for someone other than Shuff. that would have been a bitter pill to swallow
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 3:48:42 GMT
plain and simple we are gash . Too many happy clappers who know cxxx all about hockey for me . As for the team just shows how much we did rely on ash/munn and finner not only as players but also as making other guys look good . i didnt expect anything else really we are a 6th placed team at best and are playting a team who are joint top. so what do we expect we have no devine right to win every game ............and believe me we havent ;D too late to change anything for me , i can see us getting a smashing in the conti cup and then really its pot luck in the challenge cup and play offs {depending where we finish and if we get there } i just hope the damage done so far this season doesnt have lasting effects. i think 1 word sums the steelers organisiation up this season "CHEAP". Tait was a big piece of your side last year, not only did you have a import standard brit but it allowed you to role4 import d which makes a big difference, Dowd seemed to excel playing with Ash too
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Post by Rich on Dec 29, 2009 9:22:07 GMT
Steelers lacking a cutting edge? Not feared by anyone? Fans cant be bothered to watch them anymore? Stop playing boring hockey and sign a tough guy to entertain the crowds then! Theyve thrown some money at players since the start of the season, but still dont have any kind of edge. As soon as we went in front, their heads dropped unlike any other steelers team I can remember. Momentum is a massive part of hockey, not once did Steelers look like sustaining any over the weekend. We havnt always had it this season, but they made us look pumped and very tough. Mandatory enforcers for next season
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 10:12:53 GMT
They have one, cuddles cruickshank ;D
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Post by Rich on Dec 29, 2009 11:15:48 GMT
They have one, cuddles cruickshank ;D The great shirt ripper himself. Did he play this weekend?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 11:28:40 GMT
They have one, cuddles cruickshank ;D The great shirt ripper himself. Did he play this weekend? I saw someone with a 89 on his shirt, that could have been him? lol
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Post by gemini on Dec 30, 2009 0:25:42 GMT
Pidge I do not think for a moment that the fan that placed the posting that you referred to is trying to cover up for the two games that the Steelers lost to you over the last week-end. They simply appeared upset and angry, as your fans do when the Panthers lose. It was only the week before when some of your fans wanted to get rid of your coach and you were still second in the league.
As for your comments about our fans not realising that there are issues in our team's performance at times but your wife and family do. I don't think that is strickly true if you read the Steelers forum and listen to the fans as you do at times you do know that they are fully aware. Regarding your further comments about the Steelers playing boring hockey, hence they are losing their fans I don't fully agree with either. I think a lot more could be done to promote the Steelers in relation to PR. Perhaps Gary and Neil could share their expertise in PR with Mike and Bob so we could sell more tickets, and they could share there expertise on how to win championships and silverware that sounds fair enough to me. Your fans deserve to be able to gloat they are obviously very proud of this years team as they should be.
As for cherry picking your comments if you read this forum and the Steelers I have actually been trying to defend you at times as I felt sorry for you because of what some of your fans were saying about you. They say that you hardly ever attend games and that your comments are based on third hand comments so to speak! Yes I have responded because I know you, and think you are quite a decent bloke when you are away from hockey. This does not change the fact that you make some very ill considered comments which provoke people, which I gather is why you no longer post on Steeltalk. The thing is that you don't make the same nasty comments face to face with the Steelers fans. Anyway thats enough for now. Happy New Year folks!
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Post by spik on Dec 30, 2009 11:14:54 GMT
Comments regards Steelers fans on their forum obviously relate to the fact that Panthers fans know they are as 'green' with envy (boot on other foot) as we might be regarded as 'gloating'. Boring hockey and winning may equal large crowds but I think what is being reffered to is the fact that boring hockey and losing is what condems the Steelers to lower crowds. I'd include Panthers in the fact that we'd lose both games AND fans at any given time but we are fortunate (not gloating) to have fans who turn out in large enough numbers to even have us also complain that we have 'mugs' watching poor hockey (happy clapping) rather than your predicament in Sheffield. Mr.Simms seems to try hard on the PR front, you don't need us on that score. We don't need help in how to win either, that's fate on our hands.It's our job to change that one. Taking Jono and 'other half' as an example.....He calls Sheffield blind and it's a scream listening to them debate each others theory, I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that household.So just maybe Pidge and co. at Pidge Towers are as equally devided in opinion and argue the toss (nicely of course) about each others cause.Would not surprise me if in jest Pidge did include his missus in a 'them lot' dirade. ;D It's all good banter.Happy new year to all.
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 30, 2009 12:47:18 GMT
Boring hockey and winning may equal large crowds but I think what is being reffered to is the fact that boring hockey and losing is what condems the Steelers to lower crowds. I wouldn't be too sure about that... after all, Sheffield won the league and the Play-Offs last season, and they started off with poor attendances right from the start of this season. I think it's the result of a combination of matters - the aforementioned boring hockey, the club apparently not giving a toss about the fans, some appalling blunders (the Yes Project, briefly removing 'Sheffield' from the club name, etc) people getting sick and tired of the antagonistic and overblown club PR, too many games at Ice Sheffield, problems with the arena, etc etc. All of these problems building up year on year and gradually pushing people over the edge. I know a fair few Steelers fans (including some that don't post online) and several of them are just fed up to the back teeth with the whole 'Steelers Experience'. When you add the recession to all of that... well, that's just icing on the cake. Thing is... a lot of this is in the power of the Steelers to change... only they have to to do the unthinkable - admit that 'We Got It Wrong (TM)'. Few people in any walk of life like to admit that, even fewer it seems in British ice hockey - and that lot of egomaniacs up in Sheffield? Yeah, right... as if. So, most likely, they'll just continue the way they are - probably getting more extreme as the desperation sets in - and continue in a downward spiral to oblivion. I just hope they don't take the rest of us with them.
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Post by Rich on Dec 30, 2009 13:04:31 GMT
Boring hockey and winning may equal large crowds but I think what is being reffered to is the fact that boring hockey and losing is what condems the Steelers to lower crowds. I wouldn't be too sure about that... after all, Sheffield won the league and the Play-Offs last season, and they started off with poor attendances right from the start of this season. I think it's the result of a combination of matters - the aforementioned boring hockey, the club apparently not giving a toss about the fans, some appalling blunders (the Yes Project, briefly removing 'Sheffield' from the club name, etc) people getting sick and tired of the antagonistic and overblown club PR, too many games at Ice Sheffield, problems with the arena, etc etc. All of these problems building up year on year and gradually pushing people over the edge. I know a fair few Steelers fans (including some that don't post online) and several of them are just fed up to the back teeth with the whole 'Steelers Experience'. Wheb you add the recession to all of that... well, that's just icing on the cake. Thing is... a lot of this is in the power of the Steelers to change... only they have to to do the unthinkable - admit that 'We Got It Wrong (TM)'. Few people in any walk of life like to admit that, even fewer it seems in British ice hockey - and that lot of egomaniacs up in Sheffield? Yeah, right... as if. So, most likely, they'll just continue the way they are - probably getting more extreme as the desperation sets in - and continue in a downward spiral to oblivion. I just hope they don't take the rest of us with them. All fair comments but I personally think its more simple than that, it comes down to whether to make the effort to spend £15 on a product. If that product is successful people will pay, if there is a buzz around it people will go, if it is entertaining people will pay. The fact is, 1and3 are horrible for the steelers right now, and point 2 cannot override anything 1and3 have undone. Steelers,panthers and Devils have always had tough teams, with tough guys willing to do anything to get a place on the team and ample skill around a solid core. Last season showed, if your successful you can get by, but people will stop going if it isnt entertaining, this season showed playing boring hockey with little fighthing=nobody turning up. I said early last season, if Steelers didnt win the league their fans will boycott the team...its happened a season later but the prediction is still totally true. Look around sheffield arena- the fans who are there are wearing Vial,Allison and Darling shirts, not Andrews, Del Monte and Massa. The fact is, fans of the Devils,panthers and steelers worship their tough guys as a general fanbase, this season those fans have nothing to worship up there. Success is always a gamble, Matsos can only hope the players he brings in can win games but if coaches sign an entertaining team they can rely on fans going much easier. Obviously you need balance, but if you are feared youve got a solid base for marketing, teams wont look forward to playing you and fans will still come. The last point is very valid too, they can do a lot of damage as they struggle, lets hope they find some class from somewhere and ride it out without moaning and having digs at others, or the league.
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Post by Monty #83 on Dec 30, 2009 13:12:41 GMT
I wouldn't be too sure about that... after all, Sheffield won the league and the Play-Offs last season, and they started off with poor attendances right from the start of this season. I think it's the result of a combination of matters - the aforementioned boring hockey, the club apparently not giving a toss about the fans, some appalling blunders (the Yes Project, briefly removing 'Sheffield' from the club name, etc) people getting sick and tired of the antagonistic and overblown club PR, too many games at Ice Sheffield, problems with the arena, etc etc. All of these problems building up year on year and gradually pushing people over the edge. I know a fair few Steelers fans (including some that don't post online) and several of them are just fed up to the back teeth with the whole 'Steelers Experience'. Wheb you add the recession to all of that... well, that's just icing on the cake. Thing is... a lot of this is in the power of the Steelers to change... only they have to to do the unthinkable - admit that 'We Got It Wrong (TM)'. Few people in any walk of life like to admit that, even fewer it seems in British ice hockey - and that lot of egomaniacs up in Sheffield? Yeah, right... as if. So, most likely, they'll just continue the way they are - probably getting more extreme as the desperation sets in - and continue in a downward spiral to oblivion. I just hope they don't take the rest of us with them. All fair comments but I personally think its more simple than that, it comes down to whether to make the effort to spend £15 on a product. If that product is successful people will pay, if there is a buzz around it people will go, if it is entertaining people will pay. The fact is, 1and3 are horrible for the steelers right now, and point 2 cannot override anything 1and3 have undone. Steelers,panthers and Devils have always had tough teams, with tough guys willing to do anything to get a place on the team and ample skill around a solid core. Last season showed, if your successful you can get by, but people will stop going if it isnt entertaining, this season showed playing boring hockey with little fighthing=nobody turning up. I said early last season, if Steelers didnt win the league their fans will boycott the team...its happened a season later but the prediction is still totally true. Look around sheffield arena- the fans who are there are wearing Vial,Allison and Darling shirts, not Andrews, Del Monte and Massa. The fact is, fans of the Devils,panthers and steelers worship their tough guys as a general fanbase, this season those fans have nothing to worship up there. Success is always a gamble, Matsos can only hope the players he brings in can win games but if coaches sign an entertaining team they can rely on fans going much easier. Obviously you need balance, but if you are feared youve got a solid base for marketing, teams wont look forward to playing you and fans will still come. The last point is very valid too, they can do a lot of damage as they struggle, lets hope they find some class from somewhere and ride it out without moaning and having digs at others, or the league. Totally agree, sheffield should take a note out of Belfasts book, signing guys like McMorrow and Schvez (sp) that should put bums on seats. We have bruce who ALWAYS puts in 110% effort, Jade, Cam, Molin for skill and a Big (compared to previous seasons) D. Sheff lost their two most entertaiing players from last season in Finnerty and Jodie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2009 13:32:18 GMT
Comments regards Steelers fans on their forum obviously relate to the fact that Panthers fans know they are as 'green' with envy (boot on other foot) as we might be regarded as 'gloating'. Boring hockey and winning may equal large crowds but I think what is being reffered to is the fact that boring hockey and losing is what condems the Steelers to lower crowds. I'd include Panthers in the fact that we'd lose both games AND fans at any given time but we are fortunate (not gloating) to have fans who turn out in large enough numbers to even have us also complain that we have 'mugs' watching poor hockey (happy clapping) rather than your predicament in Sheffield. Mr.Simms seems to try hard on the PR front, you don't need us on that score. We don't need help in how to win either, that's fate on our hands.It's our job to change that one. Taking Jono and 'other half' as an example.....He calls Sheffield blind and it's a scream listening to them debate each others theory, I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that household.So just maybe Pidge and co. at Pidge Towers are as equally devided in opinion and argue the toss (nicely of course) about each others cause.Would not surprise me if in jest Pidge did include his missus in a 'them lot' dirade. ;D It's all good banter.Happy new year to all. TBH , i don t include my wife as she is pretty clued up with whats wrong with her team. she knows full well they have a poor team and are frustrating to watch . She doesn t even get upset when they lose now
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Post by thfnick on Dec 30, 2009 15:02:22 GMT
Totally agree, sheffield should take a note out of Belfasts book, signing guys like McMorrow and Schvez (sp) that should put bums on seats. We have bruce who ALWAYS puts in 110% effort, Jade, Cam, Molin for skill and a Big (compared to previous seasons) D. Sheff lost their two most entertaiing players from last season in Finnerty and Jodie. IMO, Matsos is the problem - not the players he has recruited. Give him McSorrow, Swez and he'll still lock the game up. Lock/trap hockey on the road is fine but at home week-in, week out? Totally unacceptable if your going to charge your punters £15 a game to be bored rigid. Over the last couple of years they have been the worst team in the league to watch.
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Post by doug on Dec 30, 2009 18:41:11 GMT
Shaggy, the reasons you have given are basically the same as I stated on other threads where you and I have conversed. It is a great combination of events, large and small, which are turning people away and frankly, losing games is a very small part of it. We have had much worse teams and also barren years with little effect on crowds but at present there is "something rotten in the state of Darnall" (sic).
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