Milkman™
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Post by Milkman™ on Aug 3, 2009 19:01:07 GMT
i replied to the text i got about this with the same sort of sentiments that a few people in here have expressed. it would be a great shame if the steelers folded. i cant see it happening, but i think that losing one of the biggest teams in the league could be devastating to british ice hockey as we know it. Buster We lost London, Bracknell, Cardiff, Manchester and Ayr all champions we survived, to think that one team makes the league is very naive. In fact ask the fans, who is the most hated club and fans in the land, you wouldn't want rid of the first, so lets make do with Sheffield.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Aug 3, 2009 19:17:15 GMT
It's certainly interesting to read through a lot of the information and once again it does make me take a step back and give at lest some credit to GM and NB for creating a stable and, from what is banded about, very fruitful ongoing relationship with the GMB. Panthers don't NEED the Steelers, but i'd be sad to see them go. I despise a lot of what they stand for but they have many knowledgeable and likeable fans, and lets be fair, it's not their fault they were born 'up there' :-)
Panthers continue to draw in good sponsorship revenue on all levels, incredible (when compared to the rest of the league) support despite having spent many years in the wilderness followed by many years of what can only be described as mediocrity punctuated with the odd smidgen of success. Steelers cannot command the support or commercial pull that Panthers do and I can't quite work out why. Dave Simms may be a horrible little man but he's not an idiot, but maybe out and out brash promotion has taken over and simple business activities like due diligence are just tossed aside. Anyone with any kind of business sense would have told eurologix where to go, even if it did mean a 'lesser' deal, i'd rather have less and actually receive it than be left high and dry.
Milkman may be right, we may well be the most hated fans and club in the league but I wouldn't swap our history and club ethos for anything and I certainly wouldn't adopt the questionable attitude of them lot up the road in exchange for their trophy haul.
Personally I wouldn't worry about the rest of the league, those that run the league from their close knit clan wont be in a hurry to make the league a better place for all concerned so we may as well worry about number one, and be the best we possibly can be. I don't want to open up a new debate on it but one day I genuinely believe Panthers will be part of something bigger. The only thing keeping those extra 2500 seats empty for the non-Steelers games is a lack of 'wow' factor about the general standard/perceived glamour of the opposition. Maybe it's 5 years off, maybe 10, maybe more but when the time comes we have the infrastructure, business ethos and fan base to support it. Christ there are several teams competing in some of the top European leagues who survive on smaller arenas and smaller crowds but crucially they aren't run as some rich sugar daddy's hobby - and that is the crucial point - Nottingham Panthers are a viable, profit making business who other businesses want to associate with. When the product becomes worth more, people will pay more, and if that means leaving the rest fo the EIHL behind then so be it, Steelers included.
For now though, I look forward to Sept 2nd. Bring on the Steelers and that top line, ex NHL forward who will blow the signing of Cameron Mann away.... oh, hang on, that was last week wasn't it. Jeff who? ;-)
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Post by HockeyPlayer07 on Aug 3, 2009 19:23:49 GMT
The Steelers organisation presumably knew what it was doing when it got into bed with a sponsor who all but pulled the plug on another team last summer so it's a bit rich to be describing Eurologix as 'having no place in this sport' now that the wheel has turned full circle. The apparent inability of the Steelers to build an ongoing relationship with a title sponsor, however, must surely raise some questions about their ability to execute their side of the deal to a sponsor's satisfaction. For now, though, who the hell knows? Both the Telford and Sheffield sponsorshop deals were done at the same time, ours was announced two days before Eurologix pulled out of Telford. So close to the start of the season, what could we of done about that? Not sure what you mean about the last bit; 05/06 Sponsors - The Star. They are still sponsors 06/07 Unison. Still sponsors 07/08 Liberta. Not any more, but didn't they go through money troubles? 08/09 Eurologix. Pulled out of a 5 year deal. 09/10 Field Electrical. been sponsors for awhile I don't think it's a bad thing having a new title sponsor each year, if they stay on and carrying on sponsoring us, which for the most part they have.
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Post by KimThePanther on Aug 3, 2009 19:42:58 GMT
So why cant they a - keep their fanbase (while other clubs are) b - keep their sponsors (while the other 'big clubs' are) That isn't quite what I meant. The Panthers and Steelers are both arena clubs. Generally speaking Panthers fans and Steelers fans have particular and very similar ideas about how hockey in this country is played. Both clubs seem to have the capability to spend considerably more money than most clubs in this country and probably would do if they could. There are probably other things too. My concern isn't for the Steelers, it's for the Panthers. I look at the situation with British hockey at the moment and I see a very precariously poised balance of power. Lose the Steelers and it undermines the level of influence that the Panthers have. We'd be having to do things on other club's terms, if they were interested in having us at all. Like I said, I don't doubt for one second that the rest of British hockey wouldn't hesitate to shun the Panthers if they felt that we could interfere with their own standing and influence. We might have the support and be based in a city that seems to love it's hockey, but I'm not convinced that would count for anything. The summer of 2003 highlighted that. Back then the BNL didn't have the influence it thought it had, I don't think we'd be so fortunate next time. Its all very suspicious up there Kim, especially with the owners situation, who are the mystery Scandinavians, what is their relationship to the Steelers? I am very worried for hockey in this country at this level, have been for a while, and the Steelers are the biggest worry of all. Am I missing something here? Where did this come from?
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 3, 2009 21:07:52 GMT
[If Panthers went **** up tomorrow what do you think Simmsy's press release would read like. Who cares? Well quite obviously you do, was this not your thread in the first place? Errr.... no, not "quite obviously" at all. I started this thread because a sponsor screwed over another club. Believe it or believe it not, I would still have started the thread had it been any other club (OK, the content would have been a tad different! ). Exactly how you get from there to me giving a toss what kind of garbage PR a certain D.Simms would put out if the Panthers folded... well, they must have different laws of logic on your planet, that's all I can say. The two are utterly unconnected.
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Post by ted on Aug 4, 2009 9:20:27 GMT
I think people have assumed (incorrectly) that you were implying panthers should be sending a bunch of flowers and helping out somehow.... spreading bad words about eurologix.
My initial reply was aimed at steelers. Its their back yard to sort out, not anyone elses.
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Post by richard1969 on Aug 4, 2009 10:11:32 GMT
Sponsorship in all sport is currently at it's lowest ebb
Great to see that Coventry have got a new sponsor but based on the fact they are not a National Company sponsoring them and we are talkng about ice hockey I hazard a guess that you would be genuinely shocked at how little Coventry themselves will receive from a sponsorship deal like this
Don't get me wrong any sponsorship money is better than nothing and I am talking in general here
As an example I am aware that at least one Premiership Football Club this season has accepted less than £100k for shirt sponsorship for the entire season
That will not even cover the wagebill for a week at the club
That is a Premier Football team in arguably the biggest sports league in the world in a sport that has a global audience
And there has been a domino effect whereby once word gets out other shirt sponsors will offer much less money than before themselves
i.e potential sponsors will make a string of ridiculously low offers to numerous sports teams until one is desperate enough to accept rather than have no shirt sponsor at all
Some football clubs now view shirt sponsorship as such a small amount of revenue in the bigger picture that they prefer to have a Charity on their shirts than a company.
It is also very hard to find a potential sponsor, let alone create a relationship. To ask for all the money up front on top would be impossible which is why clubs can be left high and dry at times.
Everybody's budgets will be affected in the longer term - Sheffield are no different to the rest - I wouldn't particularly blame them for doing something wrong it is just the climate we are in
Somebody above said Panthers sponsorship is holding up really well - I would be surprised if it is anywhere near what it has been able to achieve in previous years and as deals come to an end they will be very hard to replace at anywhere close to previous levels
In fact towards the end of the season the Panthers GM was himself citing the difficult sponsorship environment and appealing for any potential new sponsors to come forward in the Panther's programme
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Post by Number 9.1 on Aug 5, 2009 3:27:13 GMT
The Steelers organisation presumably knew what it was doing when it got into bed with a sponsor who all but pulled the plug on another team last summer so it's a bit rich to be describing Eurologix as 'having no place in this sport' now that the wheel has turned full circle. The apparent inability of the Steelers to build an ongoing relationship with a title sponsor, however, must surely raise some questions about their ability to execute their side of the deal to a sponsor's satisfaction. For now, though, who the hell knows? Both the Telford and Sheffield sponsorshop deals were done at the same time, ours was announced two days before Eurologix pulled out of Telford. So close to the start of the season, what could we of done about that? Not sure what you mean about the last bit; 05/06 Sponsors - The Star. They are still sponsors 06/07 Unison. Still sponsors 07/08 Liberta. Not any more, but didn't they go through money troubles? 08/09 Eurologix. Pulled out of a 5 year deal. 09/10 Field Electrical. been sponsors for awhile I don't think it's a bad thing having a new title sponsor each year, if they stay on and carrying on sponsoring us, which for the most part they have. Fair enough: hadn't realised that. So, like I say, who the hell knows?
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Post by DS on Aug 5, 2009 9:49:53 GMT
Well according to the Stir today, the sponsor has reacted to Mike O'Connor comments and threat of legal action with the threat of suing the Steelers now!!
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Post by matt44 on Aug 6, 2009 22:54:40 GMT
Well according to the Stir today, the sponsor has reacted to Mike O'Connor comments and threat of legal action with the threat of suing the Steelers now!! ;D
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Post by phoenixtilidie on Aug 6, 2009 23:21:40 GMT
... well, part of it at least (again!) Mike O'Connor posted the following on SquealBleat SteelTalk this morning:- Now I know that anything that comes out of that office needs to be looked at very carefully before being believed, but with the talk of legal action (and actually naming the law firm involved!) it seems legit. And Eurologix have a bad rep already. Whilst I have absolutely zero love for that bunch of <deleted>-merchants up the road, this surely has to be a very bad thing - worse for the Steelers, but not helping the rest of us either. It might also go some way to explaining the suspicions recently raised about possible reductions in Steeler finances. OK, being brutally honest - a small part of me can't help but take a certain amount of delight in seeing that lot take some crap.... but we're all hockey people when all's said and done, and what hurts one eventually hurts all to some extent. Wonder if there's any way for the hockey community to give Eurologix a kick in the danglers? Suggestions on a postcard, c/o Mike O'Connor, I think... Couldn't have happened to a nicer team ;D
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Post by keefe a.k.a Donk on Aug 11, 2009 13:27:22 GMT
Just moved so not had the internet for a while, but i have been chomping at the bit to comment on this situation!
When Mike the git at Euroloadofgitz screwed us over at Telford, we told Sheffield, the management were warned, the fans were told, so on and so forth! All Telford fans got back from masses at Sheffield was abuse and snide remarks! Steelers fans told Telford fans to basically sod off, your a small club, who cares.... If Steelers fans would like me to re-open the forum and publish the PM's I am more than happy too! Now this has come around and all of a sudden its the hard done to Steelers.... Im sorry, I really really want to feel for you guys, as I know how much of a disgusting, horrid, pathetic waste of a man Mike is, but after the way the majority acted towards us in Telford, I find it hard to be upset. Nemesis, BDS, Doom and co were very very gracious, and Nem was exceptionally helpful in helping keep the Tigers alive for an extra season, and my eternal thanks go to him for that for a very very long time!
Its amusing now reading back the email that Mike sent me after my posts on SteelTalk... what a complete silly person....
Euroloadagitz sponsorship was worth over £200k to the Steelers, and if as I have been told, he hasnt paid a bean of that, they are in serious trouble! As far as I am aware, he paid for the big hamster balls and thats about it. As for taking him to court.... good luck with that one! He is as dodgy in his business as he is in his sponsorship! If you do a bit of digging on Mike and Euroloadagitz then you will see he has a fair few businesses registered in the name of Eurologix! If the Eurologix that sponsored the Steelers is the one with no assets then it will be very very difficult to claim back something from a company that doesnt have anything! At the end of the day, whats it matter to him if one of his companies that has no assets is made to dissolve!
As I believe, Eurologix also owe money to Paul Thompson after they promised to sponsor his coaching clinic and then, sunrise surprise, pulled out! Dishonest and disrespectful! To think the bloke had the guts to then attempt to buy the Telford Tigers this off season! This kind of man is a perfect advert for assassination!
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Post by Adam on Aug 11, 2009 15:03:40 GMT
Its amusing now reading back the email that Mike sent me after my posts on SteelTalk... what a complete git.... Oooo come on you've got to put it on here...
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 11, 2009 16:25:26 GMT
As I believe, Eurologix also owe money to Paul Thompson after they promised to sponsor his coaching clinic and then, sunrise surprise, pulled out! That one slipped under the radar then... not heard that one before. So that makes 3 times this bunch have screwed elements of British ice hockey? Unbelievable. Here's hoping there's nobodt dumb enough to make it 4...
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Post by Peacock on Aug 11, 2009 16:51:39 GMT
Here's hoping there's nobodt dumb enough to make it 4... Well, they haven't sponsored the League yet...
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Post by Big Dave Steeler on Aug 11, 2009 17:02:23 GMT
Just moved so not had the internet for a while, but i have been chomping at the bit to comment on this situation! When Mike the git at Euroloadofgitz screwed us over at Telford, we told Sheffield, the management were warned, the fans were told, so on and so forth! All Telford fans got back from masses at Sheffield was abuse and snide remarks! Steelers fans told Telford fans to basically sod off, your a small club, who cares.... If Steelers fans would like me to re-open the forum and publish the PM's I am more than happy too! Now this has come around and all of a sudden its the hard done to Steelers.... Im sorry, I really really want to feel for you guys, as I know how much of a disgusting, horrid, pathetic waste of a man Mike is, but after the way the majority acted towards us in Telford, I find it hard to be upset. Nemesis, BDS, Doom and co were very very gracious, and Nem was exceptionally helpful in helping keep the Tigers alive for an extra season, and my eternal thanks go to him for that for a very very long time! Its amusing now reading back the email that Mike sent me after my posts on SteelTalk... what a complete git.... Keefe, As well as the e-mail, I would like you to publish the comments from Steelers fans about the Telford situation - I would have no issue with some of the comments coming out in the open (including who made said comments) showing just how backwards our fanbase can be!! I'd have no shame in seeing them, because I along with others in our group made offers of help to the Tigers - and that offer still applies during the moth-ball season Keefe mate!!
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Post by keefe a.k.a Donk on Aug 11, 2009 18:55:32 GMT
It is 4!!!!! He still owes the league money for the sponsorship of the Man of Ice Awards!
Dave - Your help, your offers and your attitude towards Telford was and is greatly appreciated, as was everyone's. Dave, you are a good friend, and I also have many many other very good steeler friends, but a large number this time last year had a poor attitude and poor outlook towards a smaller more fragile team. I will go and did for the posts, obviously the user names will be what they had on the TT forum and not the ones they use on Steel Talk.
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Post by Peacock on Aug 11, 2009 19:23:04 GMT
*gets popcorn, sits back, and waits for the fun...*
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Post by pantherdman on Aug 11, 2009 19:46:40 GMT
Let's think how can Hockey fans screw over EuroLogic? stop buying metal detectors? how about some derogitory banners at the sky games?
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Post by Peacock on Aug 11, 2009 20:10:07 GMT
Let's think how can Hockey fans screw over EuroLogic? stop buying metal detectors? how about some derogitory banners at the sky games? If you're going to make a banner, you might want to spell-check it first.
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Post by pantherdman on Aug 12, 2009 17:41:37 GMT
Let's think how can Hockey fans screw over EuroLogic? stop buying metal detectors? how about some derogitory banners at the sky games? If you're going to make a banner, you might want to spell-check it first. Sorry Stephen Fry, I'll just draw a picture instead. i'm sure I can illustrate the Steelers getting shafted.
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Post by ted on Aug 12, 2009 18:29:22 GMT
Showsec (conveniently abbreviated to SS) will be all over you in a flash! Comon Keefe, post some comments, Id be interested to hear these steelers thoughts now its happened to them!.... see if you can match them up with steelbleat names!
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Post by Peacock on Aug 12, 2009 22:20:47 GMT
If you're going to make a banner, you might want to spell-check it first. Sorry Stephen Fry, I'll just draw a picture instead. i'm sure I can illustrate the Steelers getting shafted. I was only trying to stop you looking like an idiot. Looks like I took on more than I realised.
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Post by Big Dave Steeler on Aug 12, 2009 22:52:02 GMT
see if you can match them up with steelbleat names! Now that would be fun!!!!
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Post by pantherdman on Aug 13, 2009 12:05:18 GMT
Sorry Stephen Fry, I'll just draw a picture instead. i'm sure I can illustrate the Steelers getting shafted. I was only trying to stop you looking like an idiot. Looks like I took on more than I realised. You could be right there!
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