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Post by matt44 on Aug 2, 2009 11:47:09 GMT
Who cares, you reap what you sow.
I'm also under the impression Coventry havent been paid by their sponsor since halfway through last season aswell. Now thats where the difference is: If Cov went bust i'd care.............if Sheff went bust i'd still be laughing a week later.
Actually, I would be said in the fact its one less team in the league, just as I was when Manchester & Bison went down,.......but thats about it.
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 2, 2009 12:08:09 GMT
There you go again Shaggy, "no surprise, a Steeler trying to deflect any kind of bad press about his club by trying to drag everybody else down". Is that not in itself taking the moral high ground? Only inside your head. I said it because it's true, simple as. And you're not doing yourself or your club any favours here by ranting on about a tiny bit of criticism... you lot are the victims here, remember? OK, it could well be argued that a certain amount of gullibility/stupidity on the Steelers' part is partly to blame here... but at the end of the day, your club got screwed over. And all you can do is bitch at us. Obsessive, much?  |
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Post by Bennett on Aug 2, 2009 12:25:14 GMT
I think the people on here who can see what this means to the bigger picture of uk as a whole should be applauded, the ones who can only laugh i wouldent expect anything else, after all jelously is what comes with sucess, you just learn to live with it.
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Post by spik on Aug 2, 2009 13:35:20 GMT
I think the people on here who can see what this means to the bigger picture of uk as a whole should be applauded, the ones who can only laugh i wouldent expect anything else, after all jelously is what comes with sucess, you just learn to live with it. You have to laugh or we'll cry all day mate.This is British hockey we are talking about. Very good thread comments made throughout.Doom and Helen B can (not Jono yet?) come in from Stellerland and debate/chat without so much foaming at the mouth so why not other Teel/green/orrange folk? Again this is discussed by Panthers fans (in the main) on a Panthers site. Hate Eurologix for what they have done, will laugh also when Steelers close them down (hopefully) but Steelers can't blame us on this one (can they?) so we'll debate anything here in recognition of the news.Like, why , if no money coming in, did they not cover the sponsors name up. If there was no agreement to pay anything till seasons end.Then I'm a better businessman than thiose in the Sheffield office. WHEN Panthers have something like this happening, what would Sheffield have to say?  |
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Post by spik on Aug 2, 2009 13:40:53 GMT
Oh and your right..Sheffield HAVE success and THEY are still jealous of us. ;D Otherwise what with the massive attention to Nottingham all the time.On the heels of Sheffield this season are we? Probably we will fail and Sheffield win a title and we'll be back to normal, Panther bashing and that's ok apparently. So , if you don't mind.I DO feel sorry for the organisation.I DO laugh at yet another hockey sham and DO feel it will continue this way.
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Post by John88 on Aug 2, 2009 14:06:07 GMT
Who cares, you reap what you sow. I'm also under the impression Coventry havent been paid by their sponsor since halfway through last season aswell. Now thats where the difference is: If Cov went bust i'd care.............if Sheff went bust i'd still be laughing a week later. Actually, I would be said in the fact its one less team in the league, just as I was when Manchester & Bison went down,.......but thats about it. Well said! My hope is that Coventry, Sheffield, Belfast, Newcastle, Cardiff and Edinburgh all go bust next season so we are left with us and Hull for 2010/11 and surely with their "funding" they'll let us win the league ;D |
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Post by Higgy on Aug 2, 2009 16:23:20 GMT
I cant seriously believe some people on here would be happy if Sheff went bye bye
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Post by matt44 on Aug 2, 2009 17:17:42 GMT
I cant seriously believe some people on here would be happy if Sheff went bye bye For me it's the same as if Derby went bust. Wouldnt care one iota. If this leads to Sheffield having money issues I wonder if they'll cut their cloth accordingly and sign a lesser team that may only finished 5th or 6th? Doubt it. |
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Post by Heanor Lair on Aug 2, 2009 17:23:26 GMT
I cant seriously believe some people on here would be happy if Sheff went bye bye Higgy, I for one wouldnt ant to see Shuff go bust, Its much better sport to see them always getting into financial problems  Seriously, with all the poo poo that has been aimed at Panthers from the Steelers over the years, I suspect there would not be many tears if they did go bye bye. HL |
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Post by Higgy on Aug 2, 2009 17:42:12 GMT
There are so few teams in the league though we all need each other whatever the history.
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Post by Heanor Lair on Aug 2, 2009 17:45:50 GMT
There are so few teams in the league though we all need each other whatever the history. Trust me buddy, at lot of folks in Pantherland simply dont look at it like that. HL |
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Post by Milkman™ on Aug 2, 2009 18:02:34 GMT
And by the way, Milkman, why am I classless? Not knowing you Doug I dont think I actually mentioned you, but your fan base, management and as was proved at the PO final your players seem to like to celebrate by having a go at the opposition fans more than they like celebrating with their own team and more important fans. You seem to agree that the mouthpiece at your place is a *****, some of the drivel he has come out with in a public arena and in the press is laughable. As for the bleating (not you Doug) 'The league needs as many teams as possible', I seem to remember the (as was) Storm and Steelers didn't give a fig about the little guy (Panthers) back in the day, now the tables are reversed, as far as I am concerned its good riddance Phoenix, and I raise a glass to the South Yorkshire franchise being next. Amen |
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 2, 2009 18:19:31 GMT
There are so few teams in the league though we all need each other whatever the history. Trust me buddy, at lot of folks in Pantherland simply dont look at it like that. HL Which IMHO is a shame... if for nothing else, descending to their level would leave a bitter taste. Any team going bust would be very bad news... regardless of who they are. Granted, I despise the Steelers club itself and the way they do things - sort of remind me of something you might step in - but like it or not... they are part of British ice hockey and we need all the clubs that we can get. Plus, once you get past the (large?) minority of numpties in the fanbase... there are some good people there, and I for one wouldn't like to see them suffer (they've got enough bad karma as it is!  ). The nastier side of me (and who, if they are totally honest, doesn't have a nasty side?) wouldn't shed a tear to see the Steelers suffering somewhat... but even that side of me doesn't want them to go belly-up (not that I think they will... although precedent could be against me on that one!). Right now, I'd be more interested in putting the boot in on Eurologix... if only there was some way to actually do that! |
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Post by Milkman™ on Aug 2, 2009 18:40:09 GMT
Trust me buddy, at lot of folks in Pantherland simply dont look at it like that. HL Which IMHO is a shame... if for nothing else, descending to their level would leave a bitter taste. Any team going bust would be very bad news... regardless of who they are. Granted, I despise the Steelers club itself and the way they do things - sort of remind me of something you might step in - but like it or not... they are part of British ice hockey and we need all the clubs that we can get. Plus, once you get past the (large?) minority of numpties in the fanbase... there are some good people there, and I for one wouldn't like to see them suffer (they've got enough bad karma as it is! ). The nastier side of me (and who, if they are totally honest, doesn't have a nasty side?) wouldn't shed a tear to see the Steelers suffering somewhat... but even that side of me doesn't want them to go belly-up (not that I think they will... although precedent could be against me on that one!). Right now, I'd be more interested in putting the boot in on Eurologix... if only there was some way to actually do that! Dave If Panthers went **** up tomorrow what do you think Simmsy's press release would read like. The league has seen teams come and go, whats another under supported, poorly managed team going to the wall gonna matter in the grand scheme of things. We need to be looking further than Junction 32 for the future of this game, in fact looking at how the ownership of the league is going I take that back, we need to be asking Dave Simms and his buddies who exactly the owners of the league are, and how Steelers own owner seems to be intertwined at every juncture. |
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Post by oldman on Aug 2, 2009 18:46:51 GMT
Well I would not want the steelers killed off but perhaps seriously injured might help!
I fully expect with the usual creative accounting they will come out of this smelling of roses!
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Post by thebestpanthers on Aug 2, 2009 19:09:25 GMT
I see they are STILL advertising Eurologix on the Steelers site -
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Post by Milkman™ on Aug 2, 2009 19:17:04 GMT
I see they are STILL advertising Eurologix on the Steelers site - True professionals. |
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Post by Helen B on Aug 2, 2009 19:29:45 GMT
I see they are STILL advertising Eurologix on the Steelers site - My theory is that, until 21st August when we play Coventry, they are still the title sponsors. By taking their name off of our website, letterheads etc, they could say Steelers didn't honour their part of the contract by removing their sponsorship early. If Steelers honour their part of the contract then it will be much easier to sue them for money owed, as the Steelers will have fulfilled their part of the agreement, and I suspect that is what the solicitors have said. Of course I could be completely wrong on that, but that's my take on it. |
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 2, 2009 19:51:09 GMT
Dave If Panthers went **** up tomorrow what do you think Simmsy's press release would read like. Who cares? Most of the rest of his press releases are garbage, why not treat any such as you describe as being just the same? I despise the way the Steelers do things, but I refuse to sink to their level. I don't want them to go bust in just the same way as I don't want any other team to go bust - be it Hull, Coventry, Guildford, Fife, Oxford or whoever... whether they are in the same league as the Panthers or not, whether I'll even see them play or not. They are part of British ice hockey... and hurt to one is hurt to all, I firmly believe that. You can take some small satisfaction though, Chris, in knowing that as far as I am concerned, they are no more important than any other team... and that includes all of the teams in all of the leagues. As far as I'm concerned... they are nowhere near as special as they like to think. They are just another British ice hockey club, and like 'em or loathe 'em, I refuse to treat them as anything other than that. Which includes not wanting them to go bust. Plenty of teams have gone bust before... so you're saying one more (however large or small) won't make any difference? What about the one after that? And the one after that? And so on? I say draw the line right here... no club lost is an acceptable loss. None. Not even them. |
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Post by KimThePanther on Aug 2, 2009 19:58:14 GMT
The league has seen teams come and go, whats another under supported, poorly managed team going to the wall gonna matter in the grand scheme of things. Much as I loathe to admit it, I think the Panthers need the Steelers. Not because of the nice little earner the rivalry is, but because we're too very similar clubs with a similar outlook on how hockey in this country should be run. Lose the other 'big' teams and Panthers find their bargaining position within British hockey increasingly weakened. I wouldn't put it past the ownership within British hockey to ditch the Panthers without a second thought, despite the support we bring to the game, if they thought we would get in the way of their own plans. |
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Post by Milkman™ on Aug 2, 2009 21:13:40 GMT
The league has seen teams come and go, whats another under supported, poorly managed team going to the wall gonna matter in the grand scheme of things. Much as I loathe to admit it, I think the Panthers need the Steelers. Not because of the nice little earner the rivalry is, but because we're too very similar clubs with a similar outlook on how hockey in this country should be run. So why cant they a - keep their fanbase (while other clubs are) b - keep their sponsors (while the other 'big clubs' are) Its all very suspicious up there Kim, especially with the owners situation, who are the mystery Scandinavians, what is their relationship to the Steelers? I am very worried for hockey in this country at this level, have been for a while, and the Steelers are the biggest worry of all. |
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Post by Number 9.1 on Aug 2, 2009 21:58:04 GMT
The Steelers organisation presumably knew what it was doing when it got into bed with a sponsor who all but pulled the plug on another team last summer so it's a bit rich to be describing Eurologix as 'having no place in this sport' now that the wheel has turned full circle. The apparent inability of the Steelers to build an ongoing relationship with a title sponsor, however, must surely raise some questions about their ability to execute their side of the deal to a sponsor's satisfaction. For now, though, who the hell knows?
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Post by spik on Aug 3, 2009 14:42:17 GMT
Let's hope this one is thus OK..
Blaze launch 10th Anniversary season with new main sponsor as Coventry Plumbing & Heating agree partnership with the club
The region’s premier ice hockey team are delighted to announce that they will have a new principal sponsor for the 2009/10 Elite League season after agreeing a new sponsorship package with Coventry Plumbing & Heating Supplies.
The Coventry based company are the city’s largest independent plumbers merchants and bathroom suppliers and through their three major outlets, have been trading in the region for over twenty years. They are a family run business specialising in providing a high quality service at competitive prices.
Through their partnership with the Blaze, they will take advantage of the team’s extensive branding and advertising opportunities and will also benefit from the team’s corporate hospitality facilities.
“We are delighted to welcome Coventry Plumbing and Heating Supplies as our new principal sponsor for the Blaze,” said Blaze Chairman, Andy Buxton. “As a company, they’ve been very supportive of us over the last few seasons and have been doing their bit to help us on a lower profile basis so it’s great that they are now stepping up to become our new main sponsor.
“It goes without saying that the commercial climate we are operating within is significantly different to the past few years and for the Blaze to continue to compete at the level we do, against clubs that have significantly greater resources than ourselves, we depend greatly on the support from the commercial sector.
“The commitment shown by Geoff and the team at Coventry Plumbing and Heating Supplies is so important to us and they can be sure that they are playing a major part in keeping the Blaze competitive again. We will be extremely proud to carry their name on our shirts this year and to help to promote a superb local Coventry business.”
“We’re very happy to be backing the Blaze this season,” added Coventry Plumbing and Heating Supplies Owner, Geoff Harris. “They are not just a top team playing at the highest level of their sport in the UK - they are a very important part of the local community here in the City. We’re very proud of our City and we’re proud to be putting our name to a club that has a really positive impact within the area. We’re very much looking forward to working with them this season and to seeing the Coventry Plumbing & Heating sponsored Coventry Blaze skate out at the Skydome for the first time.”
The new Coventry Plumbing & Heating sponsored Coventry Blaze will take to home ice for the first time this season with a high profile warm up fixture against the reigning League and Play Off Champions, Sheffield Steelers at the Skydome on Sunday 23rd August at 6pm. Tickets for this game are now on sale from the box office on 02476 630693 or by booking online via the buy tickets link on the Blaze website.
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Post by Milkman™ on Aug 3, 2009 18:49:37 GMT
Dave If Panthers went **** up tomorrow what do you think Simmsy's press release would read like. Who cares? Well quite obviously you do, was this not your thread in the first place? |
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Post by buster on Aug 3, 2009 18:53:52 GMT
i replied to the text i got about this with the same sort of sentiments that a few people in here have expressed.
it would be a great shame if the steelers folded. i cant see it happening, but i think that losing one of the biggest teams in the league could be devastating to british ice hockey as we know it.
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