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Post by panthers8768 on Oct 21, 2006 22:05:08 GMT
scottishLeaf. Take nothing from your team. You played great tonight. For some reason we were really bad. I am sure that MR E will have some BIG change of plan for the next games. As he said he wanted to try some new stuff. OK MR E it did not work. Now Lets Go Back To Plan A. WE KNOW IT WORKS. Bring it on
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Post by dans on Oct 21, 2006 22:14:25 GMT
Blimey HL no sarcy comments or winding up, not like you!! Dont you mean subtle, cleverly constructed and witty comments, cunnily disgused as sarcastic wind ups ;D HL If you like HL, something like that!
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Post by Matt on Oct 21, 2006 22:19:24 GMT
Another Continental Cup hangover? Personally, I would rather have a shot at winning our league comapred to going into a competition that we never qulaified for in the first place! Well said. Let`s see,we play three European teams and lose them all,we play a European-style Caps team and lose. On Weds-Hull stingrays who are another European style team that we lost to the last time we played them. It all reminds me of the film "Miracle"where "Herb" bases his team ethic on playing the Russians at their own game because of the Yanks inability to beat them by playing the North American way. How about it M.E? A change of tactics for these style of teams?
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Post by ScottishLeaf on Oct 21, 2006 22:22:57 GMT
Sounds like my beloved Capitals played a great game down at the NIC. A classic road trip strategy and we'll take the 2 points. That's us won in Nottingham AND in Sheffield in the space of a week. A Steeler said we had no stars and they went into a 12 page rant as to how the mighty Steelers could lose to the Capitals. I think tonights result shows we are a match for anyone on any given night and that Jason Silverthorn has been a great addition to our team. Obviously someone who does not understand the game at all, I thought you played an outstanding game last week. I can never understand the reluctance to admit such things, personally I can be desperately disappointed at my teams result, whilst retaining the ability to see the game for what it was, most times anyway . Don't get me wrong, there are times when you come out thinking "How the hell did we lose to that team" last week however was not one of these occasions. I take it you are meaning the other Steeler knows nowt, as you obviously agree with me that the Capitals are a good team this year. scottishLeaf. Take nothing from your team. You played great tonight. For some reason we were really bad. I am sure that MR E will have some BIG change of plan for the next games. As he said he wanted to try some new stuff. OK MR E it did not work. Now Lets Go Back To Plan A. WE KNOW IT WORKS. Bring it on Perhaps it was the Caps good play that made you guys appear worse than actually were?
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Post by ScottishLeaf on Oct 21, 2006 22:28:14 GMT
Another Continental Cup hangover? Personally, I would rather have a shot at winning our league comapred to going into a competition that we never qulaified for in the first place! Well said. Let`s see,we play three European teams and lose them all,we play a European-style Caps team and lose. On Weds-Hull stingrays who are another European style team that we lost to the last time we played them. It all reminds me of the film "Miracle"where "Herb" bases his team ethic on playing the Russians at their own game because of the Yanks inability to beat them by playing the North American way. How about it M.E? A change of tactics for these style of teams? Sorry to reply twice in a row, but this wasn't up when I was typing. The Caps have been Euro based for about 5 years now, ever since Martin Cingel, Jan Krajicek and co joined when we were in the BNL. Apart from last year, we've always had a competative team and have always played fluid hockey, especially at home.
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Post by acsmyth on Oct 21, 2006 22:33:07 GMT
Yes, how dare the Capitals play better than you and take the points, they should just roll over and let you win because they are the "poorer" team.
Look at Caps results so far, the can beat any team on any night. As can any team in the league at the minute. Give them some credit.
They have done a very good job of recruiting players that will thrive on ZT rules, and the results show that.
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Post by Matt on Oct 21, 2006 22:42:54 GMT
They have done a very good job of recruiting players that will thrive on ZT rules, and the results show that. You are right,they have recruited smartly and are reaping the rewards.And the evidence was there tonight to be seen
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Post by Mark on Oct 21, 2006 22:43:34 GMT
Shocking performance tonight, seemed to pick up where they left off in Rouen. No grit, determination or will to win on show. Paul Moran was woeful, as usual, Neilson and Krajicek weren't at the races and our fowards were toothless. Certain players in Rouen apparently said they wouldn't have signed for the Panthers but for the fact they were playing in Europe. I hope that doesn't mean that now that jaunt is over the standard is going to drop.
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Post by darrenw on Oct 21, 2006 22:45:05 GMT
Quote:Sorry, but if we have any serious pretensions of winning the league this season, then a home win against the Caps should be a no-brainer.
I know that people are saying they are a fast skating, European style, ZT sort of team, blah, blah but that just doesn't hack it. At home these should be banker points to any team that wants to win anything.
Yes, how dare the Capitals play better than you and take the points, they should just roll over and let you win because they are the "poorer" team.
Look at Caps results so far, the can beat any team on any night. As can any team in the league at the minute. Give them some credit.
They have done a very good job of recruiting players that will thrive on ZT rules, and the results show that.
Quite agree - but that's not my point.
If you have any serious intentions towards winning the league, then you should look at beating teams at home, certainly teams that have only half your points total going into the game!
May not be PC, but any team with a hope of winning the league should surely be expecting/able to beat a team at home that are near the foot of the table?
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Post by andyd on Oct 21, 2006 22:45:13 GMT
Gordon Bennett!
Once again the Panthers lose and bedlam strikes The Cage as if the sky just came and smacked us on the back of the head.
Get a grip folks! We lost a game, we were/are BOUND to lose games, no one is going to roll through without the odd hiccup here or there. Yes this can probably be attributed to the Continental Cup but hey, no one was complaining about us being in it last weekend were they or in the build up to it when the pride about being the UK rep was practically oozing out of every pore!?
I'm disappointed to read of a loss but I'd certainly rather take an L in a game against the Caps than against Belfast, Cardiff, Coventry or them. We're going to lose games this season. Fact. When we do it isn't the end of the world. Fact. Let's suck it up and move on by beating the Phoenix tomorrow.
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Post by Mark on Oct 21, 2006 22:51:09 GMT
Wasn't the loss Andy, it was the manner of it that's disappointing. We lost in Hull but put up a good fight, tonight was pathetic.
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Post by andyd on Oct 21, 2006 22:58:37 GMT
Wasn't the loss Andy, it was the manner of it that's disappointing. We lost in Hull but put up a good fight, tonight was pathetic. Which is all well and good mate, but we won't always set the place alight, we're bound to have bad games...had we won it it would have been a game we pulled out the fire despite being poor and everyone would be happy, this one fell the other way, hopefully it's a poor performance done away with. If we'd got blown out I could understand the fuss but we only went down by the odd goal in 3 when we played badly so it's not the disaster it's being made out to be.
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Post by Mark on Oct 21, 2006 23:16:33 GMT
Wasn't the loss Andy, it was the manner of it that's disappointing. We lost in Hull but put up a good fight, tonight was pathetic. Which is all well and good mate, but we won't always set the place alight, we're bound to have bad games...had we won it it would have been a game we pulled out the fire despite being poor and everyone would be happy, this one fell the other way, hopefully it's a poor performance done away with. If we'd got blown out I could understand the fuss but we only went down by the odd goal in 3 when we played badly so it's not the disaster it's being made out to be. All fair points, I wouldn't say tonight was a disaster, it was only one game afterall but that's four games in a row where the Panthers have been extremely lacklustre in my opinion. The opposition in Rouen was superior but the Panthers were shoddy nonetheless, and that was again apparent tonight. It'll be interesting to see how they play tomorrow.
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Post by David on Oct 21, 2006 23:22:26 GMT
That was the worst game I've been to in a long time. I hope it's not another post-europe slump
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Post by David on Oct 21, 2006 23:37:17 GMT
Certain players in Rouen apparently said they wouldn't have signed for the Panthers but for the fact they were playing in Europe. I hope that doesn't mean that now that jaunt is over the standard is going to drop. Who said that? Surely they wouldn't have been too bothered about just 3 games in Europe, as it was pretty much certain we wouldn't advance.
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Post by grumpyminer on Oct 21, 2006 23:49:48 GMT
Ok -I'LL say it. Panthers were made to look poor by a fast, hard-working hockey team.The Caps were 1st to the puck, either with stick, skate or body. They cut out passes and blocked shots preventing the Panthers from creating clear cut chances. Limited us to long range attempts, dump and chase and hopeful cross-ice passing that came to nothing. Knew we were getting nothing when Clarke got called for unsports/taking a dive. The pen was called and he exaggerated his fall so much he went as well. Didn't like that, their guy hardly touched him. Apart from that I felt our lot were putting in the effort but being out bustled. Corey and Mopes certainly looked out of sorts. Simoes seemed to mis-play the puck more tonight than in all his previous Panther games. Danny Meyers IMO deserved his MoM with EL close behind.
Well played Caps. Panthers need to work on how to beat these guys properly, The two road games went to the wire with the Caps unlucky losers both times.
BTW...1st regulation time defeat means the Grumpy Miners jersey gets a rest for a bit.
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Post by Shorty on Oct 21, 2006 23:53:37 GMT
I thought the atmosphere was non-existant tonight, even before we went behind. The crowd couldnt seem to get going at all. I think the lines that we played were wrong tonight. The three most likely to score on one line and then what is essentially a checking line as support. The third line hardly got a look in, but that was more because of Myers injury and already 2 forwards down.
Caps outplayed and outshot us tonight, and will certainly be in the playoffs.
I think someone got the Steelers v Giants score wrong at the game - 0-4 to Giants at the end of the first was no where near happening.
I hope that the players can pick themselves up and have a good go at a rested Manchester team now.
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Post by heja on Oct 22, 2006 8:36:20 GMT
according to ellis, panthers have stryed from the game plan yet again.
well if thats the case get them under control and get them doing what you say.
and why put meyers and moran out on defence together? we weren't short on defenceman last night so no need to do it.
if you go out and hit edinburgh and intimidate them then edinburgh will do nothing, they will not win, but last night was just like watching a bunch of euros with out and ounce of skill between them. yeah i understand why they mightof stopped hitting later on in the game eg short bench, but there were no hits all night.
go out there put them off there game, run the goalie for goodness sake, do anything to make sure they get put off the game and get intimited and if they want to go after a puck they have to go in where it hurts
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Post by ted on Oct 22, 2006 8:50:00 GMT
Not read anything previous... my thoughts.
Overall. Both teams didnt play amazingly. I thought we out played them in the first and thought if we kept it up we would win it.
Caps are a good team this season, forget last season, I heard some people before saying 'Should be easy win' Blah blah.... 'Points in the bag' blah blah. Its NOT the case. Thats like saying our team should be the same as last season, they are a motivated, skillful team and Im not embarrassed by losing to them one bit. Anyone who saw them in Edinburgh knows they arent an easy win anymore.
Our performance overall just wasnt the same, Caps shut us down defensively, we were setiing up some great plays that would have worked if we could have passed. But caps m,anaged to cut us down on the offense, intercepted every pass,The powerplay was poor tonight, very poor.
We got fustrated and fluffed up. We had some very good close chances that were missed and I didnt see too many from the Caps similarly, so it just depends on luck of the draw on the night.
That said.... 1 OT regulation time loss in 9 games with 3 games in hand in second spot, hardly worth calling for heads to be rolling.
Yes Im dissappointed we didnt win, No i dont think we are de railing yet
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Post by smart6 on Oct 22, 2006 8:55:46 GMT
Well if that was raring to go and itching to get back on the ice .............................
Hopefully tonight they will return to plan A and forget about the skillfull passing until they hone their skills and learn to concentrate ( thought Corey had changed into Seb on a few occassions).
All was not doom and gloom that spell of defending 5 on 3 at end of 2nd was good. Thought Jan K was a contender for MOM and am hopefull this has given them a huge reality check and we can sing if your PROUD to be a Panther tonight.
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Post by PeteW on Oct 22, 2006 9:09:38 GMT
Well what a disappointment. The game is just turning into a series of challenge matches. There's no grit and no physical contact. Rarely are checks finished and when they are the refs are likely to call a penalty. As for this game, I said at the 2nd interval that we would lose 2-1 and sadly I was right. What worries me about our team is that among the forwards Davie Clarke is the top goalscorer and Matt Myers the top assistant. As far as I'm concerned your Brits should be the icing on the cake not the cake itself. None of Simoes, McAslan, Petricko, Stevens or Shmyr has impressed particularly. Simoes and McAslan crash and bang, but neither has impressed me with their skill level and Shmyr appears to be a role player without a role in this league. Why did he ice so seldom last night, is he carrying and injury? I barely noticed him. At the moment if our opponents shut down Clarkie they shut down the Panthers. About all you can say positively about last night is that Stephen Murphy had a great game and we were three players short after Myers left the action. Hopefully we'll be better when they return. But unless we can find some scoring punch from our "import" forwards I fear we will win nothing again. Please let's have some checking. What's the point in having a team of 6 foot plus, 15 stone players if nobody takes the body?
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Post by shaun30 on Oct 22, 2006 9:16:16 GMT
totally agree with previous posts
however with an obvious lack of plan "b" on show tonight - i thought that paul adey was behind the bench again!!
its what we do next thats important
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Post by martinski83 on Oct 22, 2006 9:19:00 GMT
I've got a couple of points to make, but before I do (and before I get jumped on), we all have bad games and I have every faith in this Coach.
My first point is a simple one: Why did we continue to put faith in a line that just didn't work? Myers went off with an unfortuanate injury, but the line of Emersic, Ferrara, and Cooke was definately not the way forward. I like al 3 players, but together they just didn't gel and looked like a weak inexperienced line.
Secondly: Edinburgh gained massive confidence in 2nd, partly due to some bizarre officiating, and partly due some teamwork from the Poles and Lithuanians on the Capitals side. Why the hell didn't Shymr and Simoes try to knock some of that confidence out of them? Glove dropping wasn't neccessary, apart from perhaps with Pawel Kowalczyk (who in my book got away with too much), but some heavy checks on Caps offensive plays would've knocked the wind out of the sails a little bit.
Thirdly: (and this isn't a contradiction here), Pawel Kowalczyk really got in our face at times. Fair play to him. He fought in front of the net, completed his checks and communicated well with the Caps back line. He was also slapping them on the back after defending the rare Panthers offensive plays.
Fourthly: Thumbs up to both netminders. Evan Lindsay kept us in the game and it was sad our offensive didn't help him out a bit more. Murphy was outstanding for the Caps, might be his best game ever. Loud crowd, big arena, top players, and he lapped it up. Well done.
Finally: I invite Simon Kirkham to watch a few Panthers games. The refereeing has been all over the shop in the last 3 weeks. Dave was ok last night until his little power trip in the 2nd. I felt the crowd got to him in the end and he just snapped. Kinda glad he got knocked over by Clarkey but very unprofessional what followed. Get a grip Dave.
Off to polish my rose tinted specs now ;D
Martin
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Post by hockeyanimal on Oct 22, 2006 9:24:11 GMT
according to ellis, panthers have stryed from the game plan yet again. well if thats the case get them under control and get them doing what you say. and why put meyers and moran out on defence together? we weren't short on defenceman last night so no need to do it. if you go out and hit edinburgh and intimidate them then edinburgh will do nothing, they will not win, but last night was just like watching a bunch of euros with out and ounce of skill between them. yeah i understand why they mightof stopped hitting later on in the game eg short bench, but there were no hits all night. go out there put them off there game, run the goalie for goodness sake, do anything to make sure they get put off the game and get intimited and if they want to go after a puck they have to go in where it hurts I bet you are also a fan of WWE too Pretty poor reaction to be honest 5 pages almost exclusively moaning about YOUR team under performing, and making excuses, with very few recognizing that you were defeated by a better team on the night who had a game plan your team could not adapt to. It may not always be exciting to watch but at the end of the day the records will show a WIN in the Capitals column not a poor performance by the supposedly title favorites. Apologies to those posters who did acknowledge the Capitals played their own game and that was what defeated the Panthers not the Panthers own lackluster performance.
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 22, 2006 9:26:12 GMT
Apologies to those posters who did acknowledge the Capitals played their own game and that was what defeated the Panthers not the Panthers own lackluster performance. Things are very rarely all one thing or another... I'd say that the result was the way it was for both reasons - the Caps played well, we didn't. The combination of the two is what cost us points.
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