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Post by andy44 on Apr 14, 2009 12:07:16 GMT
i for one think bergin is a great signing. look at what he brings to the team.
1- he is a point a game player
2- can/will fight almost anyone even though he is not an enforcer
3- great team guy who will look after his team mates
if that is not enough for you thats fair enough. but to question his re-signing on the assumption that he has come back as a top liner is laughable.
winning to me is and always will be a priority. but until we see the completed roster for next season i am quite happy to just enjoy my summer and enjoy a few months away from hockey
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Post by pantherskatie on Apr 14, 2009 13:47:04 GMT
As far as i knew as well, he's on a 2 year contract...we've signed people on two year contracts before?! Depends on how you define a 2 year contract. If you are talking about water tight 2 year deals, nobody in British ice hockey can offer them. If you are talking about 1 year contracts with options for a 2nd year, Clarkey signed one last season and I've no doubt he'll be back next season. It will however be announced as the "biggest signing of the summer" and the player everyone else wanted ;D Yeh thats what i mean. Basically they sign two year contracts but the club or the player can opt out at anytime. Clarkey, i believe, is on one of these '2 year contracts'...
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Post by cc77 on Apr 14, 2009 18:16:15 GMT
i for one think bergin is a great signing. look at what he brings to the team. 1- he is a point a game player 2- can/will fight almost anyone even though he is not an enforcer 3- great team guy who will look after his team mates if that is not enough for you thats fair enough. but to question his re-signing on the assumption that he has come back as a top liner is laughable. 4. Don`t forget he got voted as MVP.
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Post by andy44 on Apr 14, 2009 18:19:13 GMT
thanks dawn
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Post by Milkman™ on Apr 14, 2009 18:34:31 GMT
but to question his re-signing on the assumption that he has come back as a top liner is laughable. What is laughable is that you have not read what I actually put, more read what you think I have put As long as we don't get sold short and he suddenly becomes a top liner. To reiterate, my hope is that HE HAS NOT been resigned as a top liner, given the career season he had this season gone.
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Post by andy44 on Apr 14, 2009 21:10:38 GMT
ok milky. if you are agreeing with the majority of us on this thread that bergin is a solid 2nd line player,is it a good signing. if not who would you have liked corey to sign that can do everything and more than bergin can on a 2nd liners wages?
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Post by Milkman™ on Apr 14, 2009 21:22:42 GMT
ok milky. if you are agreeing with the majority of us on this thread that bergin is a solid 2nd line player,is it a good signing. if not who would you have liked corey to sign that can do everything and more than bergin can on a 2nd liners wages? Well seen as none of us know what he is earning it is hard to comment. However I would like to think that all possibilities had been looked at from the many other leagues around the world for 2nd line players before the decision to sign KB was made, unless of course the guy is dirt dirt cheap (see point above that we dont know what he is earning) If the guy was Tessier standard and wanted to stay then, balls to the wall I would go to resign him, I personally would put my priorities on signing my first line, again unless the guy is dirt cheap, which none of us know. Its ok to say better the devil you know, but KB was new to this league once, as were much better players like Jinman, Dollar Dan, Charron, Thommo.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 14, 2009 23:01:58 GMT
bergin is a solid 2nd line player Not picking on you specifically here Andy, but why do we think Kevin's a second liner? Last season Neilson made a point of his 3 equal lines. A capable fighter who puts up good numbers too, I can't imagine he's on peanuts. Either way, a decent signing, pretty pleased to have him back. Give him a setup man and I'd be fairly confident of another good goals total from him.
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Post by darrenw on Apr 15, 2009 9:56:01 GMT
As I have stated I see all the games, unfortunately I work weekeds and look after my kids during the week so Panthers is out for me at the moment, unless they start paying media to attend, then who knows? Again, I am very lucky to see all the games through contacts in the media word, for which I am grateful. Winning is everything for me, I am not in it for the participating, or the love of the game, I want to win EVERYTHING, now if IMHO the Panthers are going about that in the wrong way (again IMO) then surely I have the right to question that. You agree? And right there you sum up why you just don't get it. You state that 'Winning is everything' 'I want to win everything'. Guess what? - aint ever going to happen. Doesn't matter if you support Panthers, Steelers, Detroit Red Wings, Manchester United, Brazil - anybody. Sport just aint like that and thank God for that. The whole essence of sport is it's uncertainty, it's spontaneity, it's ability to surprise. Who wants to see one team win everything, year in year out which, logically extending your argument, is all you are prepared to accept. If all you are able to be satisfied (and not happy) with is winning everything then you are always going to be able to snipe away, go figure. Believe me, I hate watching my teams lose, it stinks. But you know what, thats part of supporting a club and makes the winning infinitely more pleasurable. Maybe this is all a little bit altruistic for you, sorry if thats the case but can't see how anybody, in any walk of life, would ever be able to live up to your ideals.
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Post by Milkman™ on Apr 15, 2009 10:16:26 GMT
And right there you sum up why you just don't get it. You state that 'Winning is everything' 'I want to win everything'. Guess what? - aint ever going to happen. Doesn't matter if you support Panthers, Steelers, Detroit Red Wings, Manchester United, Brazil - anybody Compare the last 10 years watching Panthers to the last 10 years my father in law has had following Manchester United, not missing a game, home, away or in Europe Do you think he goes into every season thinking, or for that matter any fan of a rich, successful club, 'I reckon we are in for another season of mediocrity'. If we were Bison, or Edinburgh maybe your ethos would fit, but the richest best supported club in British Ice Hockey should set its targets a little higher. And if you think they are giving us fans the best they can, then you my internet friend are the one missing the point. Edit - Welcome to the cage btw
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2009 10:18:52 GMT
And right there you sum up why you just don't get it. You state that 'Winning is everything' 'I want to win everything'. Guess what? - aint ever going to happen. Doesn't matter if you support Panthers, Steelers, Detroit Red Wings, Manchester United, Brazil - anybody Compare the last 10 years watching Panthers to the last 10 years my father in law has had following Manchester United, not missing a game, home, away or in Europe Do you think he goes into every season thinking, or for that matter any fan of a rich, successful club, 'I reckon we are in for another season of mediocrity'. If we were Bison, or Edinburgh maybe your ethos would fit, but the richest best supported club in British Ice Hockey should set its targets a little higher. And if you think they are giving us fans the best they can, then you my internet friend are the one missing the point. Edit - Welcome to the cage btw can t agree more Chris, I think its panthers fans who have this unique attitude to what sport should actually mean .
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Post by darrenw on Apr 15, 2009 11:33:43 GMT
And right there you sum up why you just don't get it. You state that 'Winning is everything' 'I want to win everything'. Guess what? - aint ever going to happen. Doesn't matter if you support Panthers, Steelers, Detroit Red Wings, Manchester United, Brazil - anybody Compare the last 10 years watching Panthers to the last 10 years my father in law has had following Manchester United, not missing a game, home, away or in Europe Do you think he goes into every season thinking, or for that matter any fan of a rich, successful club, 'I reckon we are in for another season of mediocrity'. If we were Bison, or Edinburgh maybe your ethos would fit, but the richest best supported club in British Ice Hockey should set its targets a little higher. And if you think they are giving us fans the best they can, then you my internet friend are the one missing the point. Edit - Welcome to the cage btw Thanks for the welcome - long time reader, infrequent poster. Without wishing to be presumptious, I doubt your Father in Law goes into every season thinking that if ManU don't win everything then they have had a disappointing season. Can't think there were too many of their fans saying last season 'You know what, winning the Champions League was great, but if they had had anything about them they wouldnt have missed out on the FA Cup & League Cup!'
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Post by sambo79 on Apr 15, 2009 11:47:48 GMT
Compare the last 10 years watching Panthers to the last 10 years my father in law has had following Manchester United, not missing a game, home, away or in Europe Do you think he goes into every season thinking, or for that matter any fan of a rich, successful club, 'I reckon we are in for another season of mediocrity'. If we were Bison, or Edinburgh maybe your ethos would fit, but the richest best supported club in British Ice Hockey should set its targets a little higher. And if you think they are giving us fans the best they can, then you my internet friend are the one missing the point. Edit - Welcome to the cage btw Thanks for the welcome - long time reader, infrequent poster. Without wishing to be presumptious, I doubt your Father in Law goes into every season thinking that if ManU don't win everything then they have had a disappointing season. Can't think there were too many of their fans saying last season 'You know what, winning the Champions League was great, but if they had had anything about them they wouldnt have missed out on the FA Cup & League Cup!' But we didn't win ANYthing last season...
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Post by Milkman™ on Apr 15, 2009 11:48:44 GMT
Compare the last 10 years watching Panthers to the last 10 years my father in law has had following Manchester United, not missing a game, home, away or in Europe Do you think he goes into every season thinking, or for that matter any fan of a rich, successful club, 'I reckon we are in for another season of mediocrity'. If we were Bison, or Edinburgh maybe your ethos would fit, but the richest best supported club in British Ice Hockey should set its targets a little higher. And if you think they are giving us fans the best they can, then you my internet friend are the one missing the point. Edit - Welcome to the cage btw Thanks for the welcome - long time reader, infrequent poster. Without wishing to be presumptious, I doubt your Father in Law goes into every season thinking that if ManU don't win everything then they have had a disappointing season. Can't think there were too many of their fans saying last season 'You know what, winning the Champions League was great, but if they had had anything about them they wouldnt have missed out on the FA Cup & League Cup!' Not at all mister not at all, he comes home from games they have won like a bear with a sore a*se if he thinks they have played poorly. I don't expect (expect being the key word there) to win everything year in year out, however I do expect to compete. After all and I hate to harp on, and repeat myself, when we were the laughing stock of the ISL, the whipping boys, because that is what we were, the ownership said that financial stability was the key and that is how he was judging success. Well the way I see it, we are stable, crowds are the best in the league and have been for at least 5 years now, we are the richest team, however and again I am going to harp on again, my father in law went into this season thinking no expecting them to defend the League as well as the ECL, now I know he is in for a sad night tonight in Porto, however how many Panthers fans went into this season thinking the same. We didn't even attempt to defend the CC in my opinion. The Steelers are right, we have got this aura around the club, of stability is king, well it isn't really again in my opinion.
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Post by pantherman66 on Apr 15, 2009 22:40:41 GMT
Milkman, you keep banging on about being the richest club in the country, and likening us to Manchester United, when there is no similarity at all. We have a wage cap in place (introduced by our very own chairman) for 'stability' reasons. Without which there would be no Hockey of any decent standard for anyone to give their opinions. If Neil Black decided to stick two fingers up to the wage cap a la Sheffield, Belfast, and Coventry, I am sure we would have won the league too. But in my eyes this would have a hollow ring to it, as the previous poster said, it's the unpredictability about sport which makes it so special, all the better on a level playing field (or ice rink). By the way your father in law sems like a barrel of laughs.
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Post by sambo79 on Apr 15, 2009 23:03:17 GMT
I think there are a lot of deluded Panthers fans out there, several of whom post on this forum. I'm finding it increasingly boring.
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Post by John88 on Apr 15, 2009 23:10:29 GMT
If Neil Black decided to stick two fingers up to the wage cap a la Sheffield, Belfast, and Coventry, I am sure we would have won the league too. Just out of interest, do you honestly believe that we are sticking to the wage cap whilst other teams are breaking it?
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Post by oldman on Apr 15, 2009 23:13:31 GMT
Man Unt were also the richest club in the UK in the 70's and 80's didn't stop them getting relegated did it?
Dodgy data, money = success, if so why was last years FA cup final between Pompey and Cardiff!
Richest club in Germany Bayern not winning their league at the moment and don't look likely to ?
Richest club in the French league Monaco for obvious reasons long time since they won the league!
Just to go back to Ice Hockey tell me is Detroit the richest club in the NHL?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2009 23:19:10 GMT
No they weren t . Liverpool were
we re 3rd richest behind the leafs and Rangers
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Post by oldman on Apr 15, 2009 23:56:42 GMT
No they weren t . Liverpool were we re 3rd richest behind the leafs and Rangers commercially man unt have always been richer than liverpool for many reasons better business minded board members and also including the fact that old trafford is a bigger ground with more capacity than anfield! But this is diverting from the point that even if we were the richest in the elite is doesn't automatically mean we are a shoe in for the league does it? Of course we could have supported shuff in order to win the league but way to high a price in my view! Last thing how the heck did we go from Bergin coming back to this oh so usual boring diatribe! I asked for the richest not third richest in the NHL
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Post by Milkman™ on Apr 16, 2009 7:21:48 GMT
Last thing how the heck did we go from Bergin coming back to this oh so usual boring diatribe! I would hardly say diatribe, but since you ask It turned away from Bergin and towards football/NHL with this post You state that 'Winning is everything' 'I want to win everything'. Guess what? - aint ever going to happen. Doesn't matter if you support Panthers, Steelers, Detroit Red Wings, Manchester United, Brazil - anybody. Sport just aint like that and thank God for that. Luckily he was picked up on the football aspect and not the last line, had we started debating the almighty it could have sunk even further into myth and legend.
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Post by Fraggle on Apr 16, 2009 11:49:20 GMT
If Neil Black decided to stick two fingers up to the wage cap a la Sheffield, Belfast, and Coventry, I am sure we would have won the league too. Just out of interest, do you honestly believe that we are sticking to the wage cap whilst other teams are breaking it? Quite. While ever the wage cap isn't policed those teams that can afford to break it, will do.
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Post by Milkman™ on Apr 16, 2009 12:35:29 GMT
In fact is anyone sticking to it, in a cash rich environment, envelopes will always be passed around.
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Post by sambo79 on Apr 16, 2009 12:49:33 GMT
Last thing how the heck did we go from Bergin coming back to this oh so usual boring diatribe! I would hardly say diatribe, but since you ask It turned away from Bergin and towards football/NHL with this post You state that 'Winning is everything' 'I want to win everything'. Guess what? - aint ever going to happen. Doesn't matter if you support Panthers, Steelers, Detroit Red Wings, Manchester United, Brazil - anybody. Sport just aint like that and thank God for that. Luckily he was picked up on the football aspect and not the last line, had we started debating the almighty it could have sunk even further into myth and legend. Not really. The only one thing we can be sure of is that there is something more than this...
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2009 13:36:04 GMT
pantherman66, if you think we've never broken the wage cap then i think you're a little sugar-sweet to Blacks ways. I believe Sheffield may have broken it more, but we're very creative with our ways around it.
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