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Post by MP on Sept 22, 2008 23:47:07 GMT
There are better ways to try and get a psychological edge, if anything, it should have made Hewitt feel 10 feet tall! Knowing that he bothers and gets under Nielson's nose so much. I think you miss (or choose to miss) the point John. Neilson faced Hewitt down - you call it petty but it set the tone. The Panthers fans were lifted and the Steelers came out flat for the first period. Neilson seems to think deeply about the game and saw an opportunity to make a statement. I suspect MWB in his pomp would have approved of such a tactic - he was another man who would seek an advantage wherever he could find one and I doubt you'd have criticised him for it. As for turning the goal round, I'm sure I saw that done one time only for a shot to be banked into it off the end boards but for the life of me I can't think where it was...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2008 6:05:11 GMT
Then the scrap was perfectly timed, big kudos to Bruceee, this set the tone for what was to come. How quiet was finnerty after that !! No mouthing off or just skating around like a arse. Aye, really quiet Pidge, apart from scoring two and making a third. Oh and getting a man of the match. I hope he is that quiet for the rest of the season! The fight was the worst thing Richardson could have done to Finnerty. Not only did Richardson lose the fight, it also spurred Finnerty to have his best game of the season so far. What happened to that beating Richardson was going to hand out to Finner ey Pidge? Or was it a case of Richardson head butting Finners hands into submission? take your chuffing teal and orange specs off, explain how finnerty won that fight? Im intriged to know? by being quiet i meant not skating around trying to unsettle Tess, oh what was he going to do again? he played hockey.... for a change i thought Richardson did pretty good... with a broken finger , did he not . Wouldn t it be nice if corey could withstay his welcome after the warm up on the 12th october, that will be fun watching hewitt try to slap him him ;D
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 23, 2008 6:36:04 GMT
Wouldn t it be nice if corey could withstay his welcome after the warm up on the 12th october, that will be fun watching hewitt try to slap him him ;D Actually, no. The most sensible thing that Corey could do (which could also turn out to be the funniest) would be to finish warm-up at Sheffield and just skate off without even registering the presence of Hewitt or any other Steeler. They'll be expecting him to do something - and will no doubt have plans on how to turn that to their advantage. Never do what the opposition expects. And it that sounds wimpish or too respectful to you, think on this - which is more disrespectful... doing what they expect/want, or acting as if they don't even exist? Hewitt decided to throw his weight around at the NIC. Corey can prove he's the bigger man - and avoid playing into their hands - by just ignoring them up at Sheffield.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2008 6:38:59 GMT
Wouldn t it be nice if corey could withstay his welcome after the warm up on the 12th october, that will be fun watching hewitt try to slap him him ;D Actually, no. The most sensible thing that Corey could do (which could also turn out to be the funniest) would be to finish warm-up at Sheffield and just skate off without even registering the presence of Hewitt or any other Steeler. They'll be expecting him to do something - and will no doubt have plans on how to turn that to their advantage. Never do what the opposition expects. And it that sounds wimpish or too respectful to you, think on this - which is more disrespectful... doing what they expect/want, or acting as if they don't even exist? Hewitt decided to throw his weight around at the NIC. Corey can prove he's the bigger man - and avoid playing into their hands - by just ignoring them up at Sheffield. Don t worry , i feel with corey we have a guy who willl be winning a lot of mind games through this season ahead of the big games, from where im sat , he hasn t said or put a foot wrong since hes taken over as coach upto now
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Post by Mark Mac on Sept 23, 2008 7:39:23 GMT
Don t worry , i feel with corey we have a guy who willl be winning a lot of mind games through this season You are right there. I think Corey's understanding of the importance of the psychology of a team is invaluable. He seems to be making the right moves. Corey is a very astute coachie!
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Post by Doughnut on Sept 23, 2008 9:34:14 GMT
It's Corey's Ice and Hewitt sould respect that and vice versa at Sheff Arena. i disagree whole heartedly. who gives a turd about superstitions? i know i dont. if anything, if i were the opposition, i think it would be my primary concren to everything in my power to put the opposition off their game. who cares if its home ice? hewitt had just as much right to be there as nielson, just because this is our arena doesnt mean our team should take precedence over everything. yes i admit that hewitt not getting off the ice after the announcements is a bit naughty, but to say he was downright disrespectful to corey is silly. this isnt me fishing (as no dount im sure i'll be accused of) as myself and megaphone mark had this conversation last night in the car on the way up to training. *edit* this is addressing those who think that the 'incident' is about superstitions. Agreed. (second time today!) I wasn't there for the warm up but from the way the incident has been described it doesn't sound like anyone really did anything out of order in the circumstances. Why shouldn't they try and get a psychological advantage? Credit to them for trying and credit to Corey for standing up to them. Though it does sound like they got him riled, so maybe they achieved what they were trying to do anyway. The only thing I really think they (and Corey) did wrong was to hang around after being asked several times to leave the ice. If I'd have been Carson I'd have stepped on the ice and given all three of them 5 seconds to get gone or get booked.
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Post by buster on Sept 23, 2008 10:53:59 GMT
but doughnut, how can you even have an opinion on something that you werent present for? swings and roundabouts
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Post by Doughnut on Sept 23, 2008 10:59:19 GMT
but doughnut, how can you even have an opinion on something that you werent present for? swings and roundabouts
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Post by buster on Sept 23, 2008 11:00:09 GMT
and you are disagreeing with the majority on this too! how very dare you!
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Post by darrellpanther on Sept 23, 2008 11:01:31 GMT
I wouldnt say finnerty was quiet, perhaps verbally but well deserved his MOM i never meant quiet as in playing ability, one of sheffields great tactics is to let him to as he pleases and get under players skins, and the fight with bruce stopped this, job well done for bruce End of the day we won (which is rare) so whatever panthers did i want to see it again if it incurs the same outcome, corey is a legend
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Post by MP on Sept 23, 2008 11:07:48 GMT
If I'd have been Carson I'd have stepped on the ice and given all three of them 5 seconds to get gone or get booked. I don't think he can do that - technically the game hasn't started so the referee has no jurisdiction.
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Post by Doughnut on Sept 23, 2008 11:23:13 GMT
If I'd have been Carson I'd have stepped on the ice and given all three of them 5 seconds to get gone or get booked. I don't think he can do that - technically the game hasn't started so the referee has no jurisdiction. The IIHF rule book is surprisingly quiet on warm-ups. It seems counter intuitive not to grant the referee jurisdiction from the time they step on the ice for their warm-up to the time the last player/official steps off it after the game.
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Post by MP on Sept 23, 2008 11:53:04 GMT
The IIHF rule book is surprisingly quiet on warm-ups. It seems counter intuitive not to grant the referee jurisdiction from the time they step on the ice for their warm-up to the time the last player/official steps off it after the game. Perhaps players were more genteel in the days when the rules were first written! The referee has extensive powers once the game is deemed to have started and he and his linesmen remain on the ice when play ends until they are sure there will be no incidents between the teams. Given the scope of the rule book concening the facility, equipment and rules of the game itself, it does seem strange that warm up isnt dealt with.
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Post by john123 on Sept 23, 2008 17:19:40 GMT
No bitterness then John. Analysing a bit of a scuffle into possible psychological gains lol. It obviously worked in our favour, well done Corey. Those grapes arent getting any less sour are they! No bitterness at all, it's called having a discussion on a hockey forum. Check back at who started the analysing. The defeat didn't hurt half as much as i thought it would, because to be honest, you showed nothing for us to be worried about.
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Post by john123 on Sept 23, 2008 17:23:05 GMT
As was Neilson... Though I'd hope that on away ice Corey would show a little more in the way of manners by clearing the ice more promptly and letting the home team finish the warm-up however they liked. There may not be written rules about who's last on the ice but I still think the visiting team shouldn't try and disrupt the home team. Save that for the game! I'll bet there aren't many people missing the warm-up next time... I just wonder where it'll go next. I don't know who started with turning the net around, but I've seen it done at the NIC - hadn't heard until this thread that it'd happened at Sheffield too. I'm kinda disappointed by that, because I thought it was petty when it happened at the NIC. Still think Corey should've put the puck in off the boards though Until the playoff quarter final, the year you won it, Nielson didn't have problem with what Hewitt and Thomas do. As far as I know, no other player in any other rink has a problem with it either. It's no about messing the home team about, or showing any disrespect, it's something they do after every warm up, without fail. As for the turning the net thing, the firs to do that was Nielson on home ice, in the aforementioned quarter final. He then did it in the away leg.
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Post by john123 on Sept 23, 2008 17:24:36 GMT
Actually no he didn't. Warm up ended nearly 5 mins before Corey asked him to leave the ice. And left himself? And your point is? The zambonee doesn't come on untill every player has left the ice, including the home team.
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Post by john123 on Sept 23, 2008 17:29:59 GMT
I think you miss (or choose to miss) the point John. Nielson faced Hewitt down - you call it petty but it set the tone. The Panthers fans were lifted and the Steelers came out flat for the first period. Or is it you missing my point? If I was Hewitt, I would have used it to motivate myself and my team, making Nielson look a little silly. I stand by my point, as a qualified sports psychologist, that there are better ways to make a point, motivate your team, send a message..... or however you want to put it. If you think us coming out flat has anything to do with that incident, then you are pretty naive. Neilson seems to think deeply about the game and saw an opportunity to make a statement. I suspect MWB in his pomp would have approved of such a tactic - he was another man who would seek an advantage wherever he could find one and I doubt you'd have criticised him for it. Again, a statement that could have backfired if used in the right way by the opposition. It was an open invitation to make a fool out of Nielson, Hewitt and the Steelers failed to spot that. Round in circles again, as per usual with a lot on here (not aiming that at you MP), so I will end it there. Have fun. ;D
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Post by Adam on Sept 23, 2008 17:37:02 GMT
No bitterness then John. Analysing a bit of a scuffle into possible psychological gains lol. It obviously worked in our favour, well done Corey. Those grapes arent getting any less sour are they! The defeat didn't hurt half as much as i thought it would, because to be honest, you showed nothing for us to be worried about. Haha love it, we didn't play well but won the game that says a lot about our team! Whats your excuse? You've lost to Edinburgh and Manchester who we beat soundly.. So how do you analyse that one then?
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Post by john123 on Sept 23, 2008 17:41:40 GMT
The defeat didn't hurt half as much as i thought it would, because to be honest, you showed nothing for us to be worried about. Haha love it, we didn't play well but won the game that says a lot about our team! Whats your excuse? You've lost to Edinburgh and Manchester who we beat soundly.. So how do you analyse that one then? I know I said I will leave it, but this is a different point. . He wanted a reaction, so will get one. For the full 60 minutes, we dominated 5 on 5, simple. You may disagree, in fact I expect you too. We out scored you even strength, and played you off the ice in the second period. We stay out of the box and we have a very, very good chance of beating you. That ok, or am I not allowed to say things like that on the Cage?
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Post by KimThePanther on Sept 23, 2008 17:49:42 GMT
We stay out of the box and we have a very, very good chance of beating you. It's just as well hockey doesn't work like that then.
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Post by john123 on Sept 23, 2008 17:57:50 GMT
We stay out of the box and we have a very, very good chance of beating you. It's just as well hockey doesn't work like that then. It has done for the past few seasons. Hey, credit where it's due Kim, we gave you the chances and you took them. We had no one but our selfs to blame Saturday night. I was the first to admit it. I actually thought the same during the game you guys played against Hull, up until they started getting stupid penalties, they were giving you more than a run for your money.
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Post by texpef on Sept 23, 2008 18:11:47 GMT
Having watched most of the warmups from ALL teams in the NIC and before that the stadium NO other teams took the mickey like hewett did and i mean NOONE, sure other teams have hung around but generally when asked have left before the home teams have completely cleared the ice and as far as i remember have NEVER fired pucks into our nets with one of our players in the way before... As for away games, its a while since i have visited the HOS but any other arena i have watched the panthers in they clear the ice promptly when asked (if they havent already done so) and i cant remember a time when they have tried to outstay the home team ever.... as stated it may be an UNWRITTEN rule but to me it is bad manners not to clear the ice before the home team, maybe they just dont think that way in sheffield!!!...
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Post by texpef on Sept 23, 2008 18:27:35 GMT
As for matching us John, well i guess even strength goals count double then do they?
Oh no they dont so who cares, we outscored your team so we got the points its that simple (and i am sure cov fans are saying exactly the same thing about sunday night)...
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Post by Peacock on Sept 23, 2008 21:23:54 GMT
For the full 60 minutes, we dominated 5 on 5, simple. You may disagree, in fact I expect you too. Well it would appear that you're Coach disagrees with you too... Doesn't sound like the views of a happy Coach who watched his team dominate for 60 minutes. Still, never let the opinion of your experienced Coach get in the way of your argument.
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Post by Mark on Sept 23, 2008 22:15:29 GMT
Haha love it, we didn't play well but won the game that says a lot about our team! Whats your excuse? You've lost to Edinburgh and Manchester who we beat soundly.. So how do you analyse that one then? I know I said I will leave it, but this is a different point. . He wanted a reaction, so will get one. For the full 60 minutes, we dominated 5 on 5, simple. You may disagree, in fact I expect you too. We out scored you even strength, and played you off the ice in the second period. We stay out of the box and we have a very, very good chance of beating you. That ok, or am I not allowed to say things like that on the Cage? And of course in your very limited world it's never crossed your mind that the Panthers could concievably play better than they did on Saturday. Has it not occurred to you that the reason the Steelers took so many penalties is because they were perhaps struggling to contain the Panthers forwards? Don't bother accusing Panthers fans of bias, you're the master.
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