Jay
Ashley Tait
Posts: 1,933
|
Post by Jay on Jun 5, 2008 8:37:42 GMT
Looks like someone is expecting an announcement at about 10.00 this morning Really? enlighten?
|
|
Shorty
Paul Adey
Still here for Private Messages
Posts: 6,636
|
Post by Shorty on Jun 5, 2008 8:40:48 GMT
Read Rumpoles message, and look at the times.
|
|
Jay
Ashley Tait
Posts: 1,933
|
Post by Jay on Jun 5, 2008 8:47:01 GMT
Oh...got me excited then.
|
|
|
Post by Rumpole on Jun 5, 2008 12:27:16 GMT
Read Rumpoles message, and look at the times. Sorry, just don't see where you're coming from
|
|
Shorty
Paul Adey
Still here for Private Messages
Posts: 6,636
|
Post by Shorty on Jun 5, 2008 14:14:19 GMT
I'm with it now. I had not noticed the miss-spelling of minutes, which gave you your musical retort.
I was working on 51 minutes before the end of the season, being that an announcement would be made at 10.00 as that coincided with the timing of your post.
It all made sense in my world anyway!
|
|
|
Post by spik on Jun 5, 2008 14:28:18 GMT
Yes,...as long as the netman is a good one.You can sign him in August...
|
|
|
Post by Heanor Lair on Jun 5, 2008 18:49:27 GMT
I am surprised corey has left the choice of goalie to last, as i thought the basics of coaching was to build from your goalie outwards. I am not criticising his methods, it is just that most coahes sign their goalie earlier. I'm not convinced that a team absolutely has to be built around the netminder. True, the netminder is the single most important position in the entire roster... but surely the overall ethos of the team is built around the outskaters? A team of fighters or hard checkers or fast skaters... a defensively or offensively-orientated team... that depends on the outskater signings. The talents and style of the netminder will undoubtedly influence how the team plays... but I think the overall direction comes from the other players. With that in mind, signing the netminder first isn't a priority. We still need a bloody good one, though. I dont think the team has to be built around the NM. What a good NM brings is confidence to his outskaters as Laing? did for the Steelers did a few seasons back, and without doubt Koeing brought to Blaze. I think it has been sometime we have had a NM that instils such confidence, though Askey did it briefly. Most of our NM in recent history have caused players and fabs alike to age significantly during a game. HL HL
|
|
Dan
Forum Admin
Boss
Posts: 5,891
|
Post by Dan on Jun 5, 2008 20:41:18 GMT
No thanks not a big game goalie Nonsense.
|
|
Dan
Forum Admin
Boss
Posts: 5,891
|
Post by Dan on Jun 5, 2008 20:50:25 GMT
Goalies live and die by their stats. Let's have a little comparison of some goalies:
Rastislav Rovnianek - 06/07 - 2.7GAA - .899SV% Tom Askey - 07/08 - 2.33GAA - 92SV% Jody Lehman - 07/08 - 2.41 - 91.9% Trevor Koenig - 07/08 - 2.21GAA - 93%
Curtis Cruickshank - 04/05 - 2.06GAA - .924SV% Curtis Cruickshank - 05/06 - 1.94GAA - .935SV%
For those of you who don't think he can be classed as an 'elite' goalie in this league, these stats prove you're wrong. The only stats i could find that could beat his second year with us were Lehmans best year with Coventry, and that was only just.
I don't think we will end up signing Curtis, but he's proved time and time again that he's a superb goalie, especially at this level.
|
|
|
Post by NickThePanther44 on Jun 5, 2008 21:04:54 GMT
Any chance you can put some stats up of when he was at Newcastle?
|
|
andyd
Ken Westman
THE logo!
Posts: 2,719
|
Post by andyd on Jun 5, 2008 21:12:15 GMT
I love the way people roll out that Curtis "is not a big game goalie" and then solely base it on the night we got panned by the Steelers 7-0 in the Play Offs when the entire team played worse than he did and hung him out to dry.
I feel really bad for the guy, another sad example of "The Curse of The Robber" hanging unfarily over a very good goaltender.
|
|
Dan
Forum Admin
Boss
Posts: 5,891
|
Post by Dan on Jun 6, 2008 2:18:07 GMT
Any chance you can put some stats up of when he was at Newcastle? It's not on hockeydb, so unfortunately not, sorry. I know he had a bad time there, but even Brodeur has a bad few months every now and then. Like Andy says, this 'not a big game goalie' thing is nonsense.
|
|
Ian
Matt Myers
Posts: 1,702
|
Post by Ian on Jun 6, 2008 5:50:38 GMT
Like Andy says, this 'not a big game goalie' thing is nonsense. Remember the play-off final we lost in OT to Coventry? He stood on his head that match, let in two in about 65 minutes. He was drinking in the stands with the rest of us that day as Ladislav Kudrna was in our net due to Curtis's injury. I agree with a lot of what you are saying but I fear you may have somewhat undermined your own argument now.
|
|
Shorty
Paul Adey
Still here for Private Messages
Posts: 6,636
|
Post by Shorty on Jun 6, 2008 5:55:17 GMT
Schoolboy Error.
|
|
|
Post by psylence on Jun 6, 2008 7:00:59 GMT
I love the way people roll out that Curtis "is not a big game goalie" and then solely base it on the night we got panned by the Steelers 7-0 in the Play Offs when the entire team played worse than he did and hung him out to dry. I feel really bad for the guy, another sad example of "The Curse of The Robber" hanging unfarily over a very good goaltender. very true! i for one would love to see Curtis in our nets. he kept Basingstoke alive last year, just look at his performance at ours where we lost on pens, he faced about 65 shots that night! and over last season still managed to put up good stats wit 3 d men for the majority of the time..... plus he can play as an out skater! ;D
|
|
|
Post by rangers on Jun 6, 2008 8:27:15 GMT
Any chance you can put some stats up of when he was at Newcastle? It's not on hockeydb, so unfortunately not, sorry. I know he had a bad time there, but even Brodeur has a bad few months every now and then. He was awful with us, but then that whole team was awful until changes were made mid-season. even then it only got as good as bad. CC was never going to fit in with the culture of Vipers - it is a completely different environment to that at Panthers. Can he still do it at the top level with a team like basingstoke, cardiff etc - yes. At the moment is he a championship goalie - I doubt it.
|
|
Atko
Robert Lachowicz
Posts: 448
|
Post by Atko on Jun 6, 2008 10:57:26 GMT
With reference to the rumours of Davis Parley... Link
|
|
Dan
Forum Admin
Boss
Posts: 5,891
|
Post by Dan on Jun 6, 2008 11:22:49 GMT
Like Andy says, this 'not a big game goalie' thing is nonsense. Remember the play-off final we lost in OT to Coventry? He stood on his head that match, let in two in about 65 minutes. He was drinking in the stands with the rest of us that day as Ladislav Kudrna was in our net due to Curtis's injury. I agree with a lot of what you are saying but I fear you may have somewhat undermined your own argument now. Arse! Forgot about that Still nonsense though.
|
|
|
Post by psylence on Jun 6, 2008 11:24:33 GMT
With reference to the rumours of Davis Parley... Linknow that makes very interesting reading! obviously he is not off to Coventry.... i'd presume its the Panthers he is coming to
|
|
Rich
Paul Adey
Go hard or go home
Posts: 6,691
|
Post by Rich on Jun 6, 2008 11:54:27 GMT
I love the way people roll out that Curtis "is not a big game goalie" and then solely base it on the night we got panned by the Steelers 7-0 in the Play Offs when the entire team played worse than he did and hung him out to dry. I feel really bad for the guy, another sad example of "The Curse of The Robber" hanging unfarily over a very good goaltender. Exactly, beat me to it. There was another big game vs the Steelers though which was mid season but we lost due to CC when we should have won. If we are going for the league though I dont want "big game players" if they cant be bothered playing in Basingstoke midweek. Intresting article on Parley. Screams of inconsistency but possibly a big game goalie and likes the attention. The opposite to Curtis then (playing wise)
|
|
Shaggy
Forum Moderator
Am I a cynical idealist or an idealistic cynic?
Posts: 10,995
|
Post by Shaggy on Jun 6, 2008 12:10:33 GMT
Intresting article on Parley. Screams of inconsistency but possibly a big game goalie and likes the attention. The opposite to Curtis then (playing wise) If he truly is inconsistent, then I for one don't want him. I don't want us to have a "big-game" goalie... I want us to have an "every game" goalie. Big-game goalies are more likely to win shorter contests like the Play-Offs or the Challenge Cup... but we want the LEAGUE title, don't we? That requires consistency... the inclination and ability to get out there and play at top whack every single game - whether the opposition are 'big' teams or not.
|
|
oldman
Simon Hunt
The World is full of experts
Posts: 1,111
|
Post by oldman on Jun 6, 2008 19:33:42 GMT
got to say i love this, one persons opinion about an article which is an opinion written by a journo about a NM we have not seen but has got pretty good stats, and all of a sudden there are doubts before he arrives. Chinese whispers gone mad, still not much else to talk about Corey has seen to that! Wait and see and trust Corey i reckon, seems to know what he is doing so far!
|
|
|
Post by Heanor Lair on Jun 7, 2008 21:15:25 GMT
Intresting article on Parley. Screams of inconsistency but possibly a big game goalie and likes the attention. The opposite to Curtis then (playing wise) If he truly is inconsistent, then I for one don't want him. I don't want us to have a "big-game" goalie... I want us to have an "every game" goalie. Big-game goalies are more likely to win shorter contests like the Play-Offs or the Challenge Cup... but we want the LEAGUE title, don't we? That requires consistency... the inclination and ability to get out there and play at top whack every single game - whether the opposition are 'big' teams or not. Shaggy Taken from the article: Davis was spectacular during the regular season, had his best statistical season of his pro career, and unbeatable the last month of the season. Unfortunately for Davis and the Rays, he was inconsistent in the playoffs. I think this takes a different slant on the 'inconsistency' slant. Playoffs can last a few games, the regular season 50+ games. His stats certainly dont suggest inconsistency. I think I would be happy with this signing. Interestingly with Coventry also sniffing him out, and then signing Perras, I wonder if he bombed Blaze out in preferance to ourselves with Corey having said both the netties who he is talking to ''want to play for Panthers''. HL
|
|
Shaggy
Forum Moderator
Am I a cynical idealist or an idealistic cynic?
Posts: 10,995
|
Post by Shaggy on Jun 7, 2008 23:18:49 GMT
Well, that's why I said "if" he is inconsistent...
Who knows? If that report is correct, and he was solid through the season - that's a good sign. Personally, I'd happily trade any and all chances at the Play-Offs, Challenge Cup (and Polyfilla Cup!) for the league title. If we can get a netminder who will serve that purpose, then let's grab 'im!
|
|
|
Post by Heanor Lair on Jun 7, 2008 23:34:08 GMT
Well, that's why I said "if" he is inconsistent... Who knows? If that report is correct, and he was solid through the season - that's a good sign. Personally, I'd happily trade any and all chances at the Play-Offs, Challenge Cup (and Polyfilla Cup!) for the league title. If we can get a netminder who will serve that purpose, then let's grab 'im! League has to be the priority as you say, Playoffs and Challenge Cups are a bonus, HL
|
|