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Post by Zukiwskyfan on May 29, 2008 23:47:42 GMT
Pelletier sucks
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Post by Adam on May 29, 2008 23:49:56 GMT
Sucks what though? Thats the big question that needs answering..
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Post by Panthers, Hockey- Life on May 30, 2008 1:12:48 GMT
i was told when they got back from cardiff he got his equitment thats were his took it went home and the day after he caught a plane back home to canada aparantly there Was a agument and he left
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Post by Rich on May 30, 2008 3:07:45 GMT
i was told when they got back from cardiff he got his equitment thats were his took it went home and the day after he caught a plane back home to canada aparantly there Was a agument and he left He was at the finals weekend so dont think that was true TBH
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Post by premakpower on May 30, 2008 4:55:10 GMT
i was told when they got back from cardiff he got his equitment thats were his took it went home and the day after he caught a plane back home to canada aparantly there Was a agument and he left Thats not true, Pelts was out and about over finals weekend as the above poster mentioned. After the finals he visted Italy and then was back in Notts for a few days before flying home at the start of May. Pelts has had an offer from an Italian club,. and the offer was made to him before finals weekend. I believe he was approached by the Italian side during the Qtr finals stage against the Devils.
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Post by oldman on May 30, 2008 8:50:25 GMT
Obviously we cannot all have the same view on a player, but for my money if some of the so called superstars who let us down badly last year, had put in the 100% effort and determination to succeed that Pelts did perhaps we might have done better, especially against the likes of the Caps, Hull, Bisons etc.
Before you come back with the constantly out of position rhetoric, yes he did! Youthful exuberance i would call it.
But he also busted a gut to get back, he threw himself in front of the puck on many occasions, went toe to toe with bigger men on the ice, he creating a fair amount of excitement going forward and with his checks.
Contrast with that one highly rated superstar who when the going got tough for the team and him, coudn't be bothered to bust a gut to get off the ice at changeovers and then sulked rather than inspired the rest of the team to do better.
The D was lacking last season but was that all down to pelts or maybe an attack minded Dman was not a clever replacement for Rees by Mike!
Don't take this the wrong way but how many of you (maybe fickle) guys wanted Corey out in his first season after ten games and Bergin out last season, in even a shorter time?
I would take a 100%er like Pelts anyday over the PC.Druin's and Macca's of last season, ( captains lead by example i believe and not by going missing and sulking when things are not going right in my view.)
With more experience and discipline pelts will be an asset to any team!
This is my honest opinion also have to say why did mike play Corey on the wing when Pelts was a better option, just another Ellis foot in mouth moment!
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Post by Rich on May 30, 2008 9:13:10 GMT
I understand what you are saying Targetman but 'youthful exuberance' only washes for a few games. I expect it from brits on the third line for the odd shift, not import D men on the first / second line. He didnt always bust a gut to get back and his shot blocking was ineffective to the point of patheticness.
I agree its not all his fault. Coleman and Stancok were almost as bad. The comparison to Mcaslan and Drouin is irrelevant, yes they didnt have the desire and speed to win but they still contributed. If Mcaslan skated round like his A$$ is on fire and was constantly out of position he probably wudnt have got the points he did.
Toe to toe with bigger men? Not sure I agree with that.
Il ignore the comment re Bergin and Neilson to a degree because I stuck up for Bergy and Neilson over the season was great.
With more experience and discipline..... He wudnt be Pelts! Thats like saying with a cannon shot, great vision, great hands and better skaing Matt Myers can go to the NHL.
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Post by killercarlson on May 30, 2008 9:31:17 GMT
I agree that to start with that Pelts was caught out fo position a lot, but I think it would be very unfair to say that side of his game didn't improve as the season went on...
and hey, the world loves a tryer! ;o)
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Post by MP on May 30, 2008 9:31:29 GMT
Agree largely with Targetman regarding Pelts - Rich and I are never going to agree about him! ;D
Sure he had his faults yet he did stay back at times during the season (on specific instruction from Mike I suspect).
He was guilty of trying too hard to make things happen but better that than just going with the flow.
For all his positional indiscipline he showed good awareness - even when he was out on his feet at the end of a shift he'd check before he went to the bench and if the opposition had the chance of a break he'd stay out to neutralise it. And he was almost a permanent fixture on the ice for 5 on 3 kills as whilst his positional play wasn't great he just kept on going.
Steve played with his heart rather than his head which isn't always a good thing for the team but he showed a passion and commitment on the ice that's been missing from all too many imports in recent years.
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Post by asbo26 on May 30, 2008 12:19:50 GMT
Agree with you on this one Targetman, always a trier and always gave 100%
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Post by Yotes on May 30, 2008 13:40:32 GMT
I would take a 100%er like Pelts anyday over the PC.Druin's and Macca's of last season Let's all be glad you'll never be head coach then.
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Post by oldman on May 30, 2008 14:16:38 GMT
I would take a 100%er like Pelts anyday over the PC.Druin's and Macca's of last season Let's all be glad you'll never be head coach then.[/quote TBF you disagree and you won't be either ;D i am a yotes fan by the way, so we cannot pick a winning team either!
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Post by pantherdman on May 30, 2008 14:18:16 GMT
I got to say Pelts was 100% player, i can accept he was out of position at times, but i'd also expect the coach/captain yelling at him if they thought it was continously a problem to the team. Perhaps he was told to get forward and attack??? who knows
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Post by ted on May 30, 2008 16:08:16 GMT
Steve played with his heart rather than his head which isn't always a good thing for the team but he showed a passion and commitment on the ice that's been missing from all too many imports in recent years. Exactly.... guilty of trying too hard possibly.... Once or twice I can appreciate but once you pick up on it and start watching it happens with alarming regularity. At rec level I can appreciate it... but Elite level? I wont be remembering pelts as the Little Defenceman that could... he will always be the little defenceman that got dragged out of position way too often.
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Post by Yotes on May 30, 2008 17:13:20 GMT
Let's all be glad you'll never be head coach then. TBF you disagree and you won't be either ;D Way to break it to me gently OM! i am a yotes fan by the way, so we cannot pick a winning team either! True, heading in the right direction though, despite what Blake Wheeler thinks.
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Post by pantherskatie on May 30, 2008 19:12:54 GMT
Obviously we cannot all have the same view on a player, but for my money if some of the so called superstars who let us down badly last year, had put in the 100% effort and determination to succeed that Pelts did perhaps we might have done better, especially against the likes of the Caps, Hull, Bisons etc. Before you come back with the constantly out of position rhetoric, yes he did! Youthful exuberance i would call it. But he also busted a gut to get back, he threw himself in front of the puck on many occasions, went toe to toe with bigger men on the ice, he creating a fair amount of excitement going forward and with his checks. Contrast with that one highly rated superstar who when the going got tough for the team and him, coudn't be bothered to bust a gut to get off the ice at changeovers and then sulked rather than inspired the rest of the team to do better. The D was lacking last season but was that all down to pelts or maybe an attack minded Dman was not a clever replacement for Rees by Mike! Don't take this the wrong way but how many of you (maybe fickle) guys wanted Corey out in his first season after ten games and Bergin out last season, in even a shorter time? I would take a 100%er like Pelts anyday over the PC.Druin's and Macca's of last season, ( captains lead by example i believe and not by going missing and sulking when things are not going right in my view.) With more experience and discipline pelts will be an asset to any team! This is my honest opinion also have to say why did mike play Corey on the wing when Pelts was a better option, just another Ellis foot in mouth moment! completely agree with your post there targetman
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Post by ted on May 30, 2008 23:26:38 GMT
If I went and played for panthers Id give 100% every shift..... might still be rubbish but itd make me a fan favorite
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Post by Adam on May 31, 2008 1:08:03 GMT
Obviously we cannot all have the same view on a player, but for my money if some of the so called superstars who let us down badly last year, had put in the 100% effort and determination to succeed that Pelts did perhaps we might have done better, especially against the likes of the Caps, Hull, Bisons etc. Before you come back with the constantly out of position rhetoric, yes he did! Youthful exuberance i would call it. But he also busted a gut to get back, he threw himself in front of the puck on many occasions, went toe to toe with bigger men on the ice, he creating a fair amount of excitement going forward and with his checks. Contrast with that one highly rated superstar who when the going got tough for the team and him, coudn't be bothered to bust a gut to get off the ice at changeovers and then sulked rather than inspired the rest of the team to do better. The D was lacking last season but was that all down to pelts or maybe an attack minded Dman was not a clever replacement for Rees by Mike! Don't take this the wrong way but how many of you (maybe fickle) guys wanted Corey out in his first season after ten games and Bergin out last season, in even a shorter time? I would take a 100%er like Pelts anyday over the PC.Druin's and Macca's of last season, ( captains lead by example i believe and not by going missing and sulking when things are not going right in my view.) With more experience and discipline pelts will be an asset to any team! This is my honest opinion also have to say why did mike play Corey on the wing when Pelts was a better option, just another Ellis foot in mouth moment! completely agree with your post there targetman Not down to the fact you idolised him then?
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Post by oldman on May 31, 2008 9:14:30 GMT
completely agree with your post there targetman Not down to the fact you idolised him then? Didnt think Teddy idolised him ;D
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Post by oldman on May 31, 2008 9:20:03 GMT
If I went and played for panthers Id give 100% every shift..... might still be rubbish but itd make me a fan favorite or on the other hand Teddy could have all the skill in the world but give 60% efffort at best. Simoes another fans favourite because he looked like he wanted to win and would bust a gut to do it! One reason that i like Mark coming back as well! Different strokes etc I think Pelts gave everything on the ice every shift, i also think PC at times was collecting the paycheck for very little on some shifts, as was Macca, Robert, Nelson, Coleman, and at times Molin!
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Post by Rich on May 31, 2008 10:03:09 GMT
If I went and played for panthers Id give 100% every shift..... might still be rubbish but itd make me a fan favorite or on the other hand Teddy could have all the skill in the world but give 60% efffort at best. Simoes another fans favourite because he looked like he wanted to win and would bust a gut to do it! One reason that i like Mark coming back as well! Different strokes etc I think Pelts gave everything on the ice every shift, i also think PC at times was collecting the paycheck for very little on some shifts, as was Macca, Robert, Nelson, Coleman, and at times Molin! So, by that theory you were happier with Pelletiers defence than Nelsons because "he put more effort in"? Pelts was here for the women and the beer like most other imports. People saying he was a true professional who did everything 100% are dilluded. Personally id rather see a guy in the gym drinking water than in the pub drinking beer and NOT throw himself at pucks and going wandering around as a winger.Thats more dedication. The Simoes comparison Oldman is intresting. Simoes was cut because he didnt make the grade so again,by that logic you comparing him to somebody who was cut, he should have been aswell.
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Post by oldman on May 31, 2008 11:49:42 GMT
or on the other hand Teddy could have all the skill in the world but give 60% efffort at best. Simoes another fans favourite because he looked like he wanted to win and would bust a gut to do it! One reason that i like Mark coming back as well! Different strokes etc I think Pelts gave everything on the ice every shift, i also think PC at times was collecting the paycheck for very little on some shifts, as was Macca, Robert, Nelson, Coleman, and at times Molin! So, by that theory you were happier with Pelletiers defence than Nelsons because "he put more effort in"? Pelts was here for the women and the beer like most other imports. People saying he was a true professional who did everything 100% are dilluded. Personally id rather see a guy in the gym drinking water than in the pub drinking beer and NOT throw himself at pucks and going wandering around as a winger.Thats more dedication. The Simoes comparison Oldman is intresting. Simoes was cut because he didnt make the grade so again,by that logic you comparing him to somebody who was cut, he should have been aswell. Again though when simoes was cut how many were happy about it, you like guys who finish their checks and he did! Had we not picked up gallant for thje play offs and won it, people may have questioned Mike's wisdom in getting rid of simoes when he did? Didnt comment about his off ice antics, but he will not have been alone in chasing puck bunnies and beer especially with his age group! All i saw on the ice was 100% committment maybe as people have said played with his heart rather than his head, But at times showed a greater will to win than lets say some of the more experienced players on the roster. No matter though rich some like craftsmen in a team, i like artisans simple as that, and on this i think we will have to agree to disagree! Mind you if we could get a macca and druin type with pelts work rate and will to win , we would have one heck of a player!
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Post by Rich on May 31, 2008 12:11:03 GMT
So, by that theory you were happier with Pelletiers defence than Nelsons because "he put more effort in"? Pelts was here for the women and the beer like most other imports. People saying he was a true professional who did everything 100% are dilluded. Personally id rather see a guy in the gym drinking water than in the pub drinking beer and NOT throw himself at pucks and going wandering around as a winger.Thats more dedication. The Simoes comparison Oldman is intresting. Simoes was cut because he didnt make the grade so again,by that logic you comparing him to somebody who was cut, he should have been aswell. Again though when simoes was cut how many were happy about it, you like guys who finish their checks and he did! Had we not picked up gallant for thje play offs and won it, people may have questioned Mike's wisdom in getting rid of simoes when he did? Didnt comment about his off ice antics, but he will not have been alone in chasing puck bunnies and beer especially with his age group! All i saw on the ice was 100% committment maybe as people have said played with his heart rather than his head, But at times showed a greater will to win than lets say some of the more experienced players on the roster. No matter though rich some like craftsmen in a team, i like artisans simple as that, and on this i think we will have to agree to disagree! Mind you if we could get a macca and druin type with pelts work rate and will to win , we would have one heck of a player! I wasnt happy but realised it had to be done re Simoes. I liked him as a player but sometimes you needed him to drop it to 99% and be a bit stronger on the puck etc. He didnt, he got released. Pelletier was exciting to watch for 3 games, then it got tiresome. Like I say, its ok turning up 100% for a 60minute game, theres more to it than that. He needed to be working solid in training, wanting to better himself and bit as fit and prepared as he could be. He was the young guy with the unproven record given a chance. To me, he should have been drinking water, eating pasta and dedicating his 7months to doing whatever he can to progress his game and help his team. He was brit quality but led the life a top level import. I like hard workers, I want to see guys have a passion to win more than anyone. Skating around out of position and hurting your team, then throwing yourself around like a fish at the feet of guys like Tessier, Awada, Calder etc who then dance around you with the puck and laugh in your face isnt what I call will to win though. Very true, but then he wudnt play in this league!
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Post by Rich on Jun 4, 2008 16:04:26 GMT
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Post by oldman on Jun 4, 2008 20:33:19 GMT
Dont want to burst your bubble but your opinion is your opinion, which doesn't make it the right opinion but only your opinion! That is in my opinion though Rich! ;D
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