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Post by Yotes on Oct 7, 2023 22:52:49 GMT
Another goal-fest involving Coventry, 6-5 shootout win in Glasgow this time round.
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 8, 2023 17:59:28 GMT
Sheffield 4-0 up in Coventry after 2.
Cardiff v Belfast in Cardiff 1-1 early in 2nd.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 8, 2023 18:46:44 GMT
Cardiff's fans seemed quite bullish about their chances against Belfast, before they lost to us at least. Close game so far in fairness, Giants 3-2 after 2.
Sheffield win at Coventry, 5-2.
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Post by bobness on Oct 9, 2023 9:22:19 GMT
Someone mentioned Stojanovic not having many shots, but conceding disproportionately many goals.
Goalies like to be involved?
In all league games last season where the goalie (in all game) faced 20 or fewer shots (n=40), the save % was 89.57%. If we exclude shutouts (n=32), that goes down to 86.73%. So, you could argue that bored goalies, if they don't get a shutout, perform well below average.
In all games where the goalie saw 40+ shots (n=103), the save percentage was 92.36%.
Goalies like to be busy.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 9, 2023 10:27:42 GMT
Someone mentioned Stojanovic not having many shots, but conceding disproportionately many goals. Goalies like to be involved? In all league games last season where the goalie (in all game) faced 20 or fewer shots (n=40), the save % was 89.57%. If we exclude shutouts (n=32), that goes down to 86.73%. So, you could argue that bored goalies, if they don't get a shutout, perform well below average. In all games where the goalie saw 40+ shots (n=103), the save percentage was 92.36%. Goalies like to be busy. Thanks for doing this research bobness. Very helpful and as you say does rather seem to suggest a busy goalie is a sharp goalie
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Post by bobness on Oct 9, 2023 11:18:57 GMT
Someone mentioned Stojanovic not having many shots, but conceding disproportionately many goals. Goalies like to be involved? In all league games last season where the goalie (in all game) faced 20 or fewer shots (n=40), the save % was 89.57%. If we exclude shutouts (n=32), that goes down to 86.73%. So, you could argue that bored goalies, if they don't get a shutout, perform well below average. In all games where the goalie saw 40+ shots (n=103), the save percentage was 92.36%. Goalies like to be busy. Thanks for doing this research bobness. Very helpful and as you say does rather seem to suggest a busy goalie is a sharp goalie It's relatively easy when you have the data. Having the data is the harder part... In 21/22, which also have the raw data for:- In all league games that season where the goalie faced 11-20 shots (excluding shutouts, I didn't record whether they were in all game that year (so say <10 is "part game" and exclude), n=34), the save % was 85.49% In all games where the goalie saw 40+ shots (n=99), the save percentage was 92.78%. The stats seem to hold for that year too. That would be my reading of it, a busier goalie is a sharper one.
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Post by bobness on Oct 9, 2023 14:15:59 GMT
Panthers face off stats for the 3 league games are a less than stellar 39.87%. 63 for 158.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 9, 2023 14:51:29 GMT
Panthers face off stats for the 3 league games are a less than stellar 39.87%. 63 for 158. Problem number one for a small team. They struggle to get the puck back
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Post by bobness on Oct 9, 2023 15:36:06 GMT
Panthers face off stats for the 3 league games are a less than stellar 39.87%. 63 for 158. Problem number one for a small team. They struggle to get the puck back Absolutely. I've yet to fully analyse the figures, but now the stats give the %s by face-off dot location, it'll be interesting to see where any improvement comes. For example, Panthers RW offensive face offs vs Flames, 14% won...
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Post by wgray on Oct 9, 2023 18:53:39 GMT
Michaud in particular has been poor on face-offs, not a bad player overall I just wouldn’t play him at centre.
Pacha should certainly sign a big centre that’s good in the circle but can play a bit as well, it would give us a better balance in the forward lines and help to address the issues in the circle. Not an easy task but a pivotal one nonetheless
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 9, 2023 19:13:32 GMT
The league getting a mention on Bardown sports:
The partner of one of the Belfast players seems to be posting TikToks and in the featured one is highlighting how well looked after players (and partners) are.
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 9, 2023 19:41:10 GMT
The league getting a mention on Bardown sports: The partner of one of the Belfast players seems to be posting TikToks and in the featured one is highlighting how well looked after players (and partners) are. Vastly different across the league i'm sure. That post wont harm the leagues rep. All that is a key factor in success. Results on the ice come from 2 things. Investment in bringing in quality players and investment in keeping those players engaged & looked after(not neglected).
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 9, 2023 19:48:02 GMT
The league getting a mention on Bardown sports: The partner of one of the Belfast players seems to be posting TikToks and in the featured one is highlighting how well looked after players (and partners) are. Or, a flat above Hooters and a scabby old Fiat 500
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Post by bobness on Oct 9, 2023 20:09:40 GMT
Michaud in particular has been poor on face-offs, not a bad player overall I just wouldn’t play him at centre. Pacha should certainly sign a big centre that’s good in the circle but can play a bit as well, it would give us a better balance in the forward lines and help to address the issues in the circle. Not an easy task but a pivotal one nonetheless Indeed. 10 for 33 so far in the league games suggests he's not a natural face off winner. He leads the forwards in TOI though, so Paredes can clearly see something.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 9, 2023 23:53:58 GMT
The league getting a mention on Bardown sports: The partner of one of the Belfast players seems to be posting TikToks and in the featured one is highlighting how well looked after players (and partners) are. Or, a flat above Hooters and a scabby old Fiat 500 How old are those Fiat 500s now? Meanwhile Belfast players get brand new EVs and I believe Fife players get Mercs (not top of the line, but still).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 7:33:01 GMT
Do we know if things have changed or are Panthers players still treated poorly?
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Post by Joe on Oct 10, 2023 9:01:07 GMT
Do we know if things have changed or are Panthers players still treated poorly? Well it was one of Pacha’s main objectives in his first season based on the feedback he got from the exit interviews when he signed so I’d say we’ve improved but from what I’ve seen Devils and Giants are still way ahead
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 10, 2023 9:31:07 GMT
The league getting a mention on Bardown sports: The partner of one of the Belfast players seems to be posting TikToks and in the featured one is highlighting how well looked after players (and partners) are. All joking aside, Befast are the gold standard across the board on every level by a long way now
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Post by bobness on Oct 10, 2023 10:13:26 GMT
Again, all joking aside, I expect that most of those (MBA aside) are pretty standard things for most players in most teams? House, car, perks etc? The quality may perhaps vary, and some of that is in the eye of the beholder, but the basic package will be similar, I'd expect? And yes, I know what some players have said about housing previously...
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Post by sevcik on Oct 10, 2023 13:40:24 GMT
Do we know if things have changed or are Panthers players still treated poorly? Well it was one of Pacha’s main objectives in his first season based on the feedback he got from the exit interviews when he signed so I’d say we’ve improved but from what I’ve seen Devils and Giants are still way ahead I don't know if you heard Jake Ryczek on BBC radio Nottingham last week. He alluded to the fact that he had had accommodation issues, thankfully now sorted, He did say half jokingly that at one point he thought he may have to sleep at the rink. How many years has Dan Green been in charge of housing? Seemingly still making errors with player accommodation, and not for the 1st time.
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Post by Joe on Oct 10, 2023 17:07:57 GMT
Well it was one of Pacha’s main objectives in his first season based on the feedback he got from the exit interviews when he signed so I’d say we’ve improved but from what I’ve seen Devils and Giants are still way ahead I don't know if you heard Jake Ryczek on BBC radio Nottingham last week. He alluded to the fact that he had had accommodation issues, thankfully now sorted, He did say half jokingly that at one point he thought he may have to sleep at the rink. How many years has Dan Green been in charge of housing? Seemingly still making errors with player accommodation, and not for the 1st time. I did but he didn’t go into detail so it’s harsh to say Dan was at fault. I think it’s fair to say that Pacha’s goal of being gold standard across the board is never going to happen and I think he’ll struggle to get us to gold standard in anything. Had a quick look at majority of the teams websites and we’re the only team that deems it important enough to name who is in charge of finances which is very telling
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Post by bobness on Oct 10, 2023 17:10:34 GMT
I don't know if you heard Jake Ryczek on BBC radio Nottingham last week. He alluded to the fact that he had had accommodation issues, thankfully now sorted, He did say half jokingly that at one point he thought he may have to sleep at the rink. How many years has Dan Green been in charge of housing? Seemingly still making errors with player accommodation, and not for the 1st time. I did but he didn’t go into detail so it’s difficult to say whether or not Dan was at fault. I think it’s fair to say that Pacha’s goal of being gold standard across the board is never going to happen and I think he’ll struggle to get us to gold standard in anything. Had a quick look at majority of the teams websites and we’re the only team that deems it important enough to name who is in charge of finances which is very telling He's not important enough to have a picture, like Dad, though.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 10, 2023 17:12:54 GMT
Again, all joking aside, I expect that most of those (MBA aside) are pretty standard things for most players in most teams? House, car, perks etc? The quality may perhaps vary, and some of that is in the eye of the beholder, but the basic package will be similar, I'd expect? And yes, I know what some players have said about housing previously... I reckon Quality is the key. I remember (admittedly a few years ago now), watching Jeff Dimmen and I think Geoff Waugh loading their lives and then themselves during a POFW (Where we had typically been eliminated) into those Fiat 500s and joking that it looked like they were loading a clown car. Interesting thing to me with Belfast is that it sounds like they take good care of spouses/partners as well. A gym membership isn't a bank breaking expense, but is a really nice touch to take care of them. If anyone is interested in this sort of thing, I've discovered that Tyler Welsh's partner is making TikToks of their time. Not something I'd be super keen on seeking normally and not my thing at all really, but interesting to watch to get an insight to the otherside of players lives. Doesn't seem to hard sell it like the Belfast one, but seeing as on the recruitment side we need to sell to partners as well as players, she does seem to be enjoying her time over in Nottingham and gets lots of engagement from Panthers fans with suggestions, places to try etc... www.tiktok.com/@samdevine44?_t=8gOq8Opn89h&_r=1
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Post by Joe on Oct 10, 2023 17:49:47 GMT
I did but he didn’t go into detail so it’s difficult to say whether or not Dan was at fault. I think it’s fair to say that Pacha’s goal of being gold standard across the board is never going to happen and I think he’ll struggle to get us to gold standard in anything. Had a quick look at majority of the teams websites and we’re the only team that deems it important enough to name who is in charge of finances which is very telling He's not important enough to have a picture, like Dad, though. Why do fans need to know who does the finances though because it’s not like we can contact him about anything, I would guess he doesn’t have an image because he wants to remain anonymous and not deal with any of the consequences of running this club poorly. Also Dan Green is a public face of this club due to him doing commentary as well as other things on social media and he’s a former player so doesn’t have the same luxury of anonymity
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Post by Chris Ellis on Oct 10, 2023 19:30:43 GMT
Just read the above and felt it was important to explain the facts as I was reading some speculation.
Jake Ryczek's housing issue had nothing to do with Dan Green. It was simply the discovery of terrible mould in the property that had been painted over.
The club acted quickly and after a few nights in a hotel, Jake and his housemate were able to move into new accommodation.
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