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Post by Wolves 66 on Mar 16, 2022 13:16:02 GMT
if, as rumoured/reported here, the sales aren't as strong as previous years, then maybe they will look at hiring a smaller venue to keep costs down in future. Although I can't se it going to Sheffield due to a lack of hotels close by, certainly Belfast & Cardiff could be considered, although I get that the disadvantage of Belfast is that most clubs go for a weekend once during the season so fans would be reluctant to go again, especially as they might not see their team. But if the cost of Nottingham is within the budget then the EIHL will continue to return. We seem to have been saying thiss for the last 3-5 years ! There are 2 Premier Inns and an Ibis within walking distance of Ice Sheffield and the arena. There is also the tram close by which could take people to and from the city centre
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 16, 2022 14:50:22 GMT
if, as rumoured/reported here, the sales aren't as strong as previous years, then maybe they will look at hiring a smaller venue to keep costs down in future. Although I can't se it going to Sheffield due to a lack of hotels close by, certainly Belfast & Cardiff could be considered, although I get that the disadvantage of Belfast is that most clubs go for a weekend once during the season so fans would be reluctant to go again, especially as they might not see their team. But if the cost of Nottingham is within the budget then the EIHL will continue to return. We seem to have been saying thiss for the last 3-5 years ! There was nothing wrong with the previous price, it would have attracted all the regular attending fans. It's typical EIHL greed, they deserve a quarter full stadium. Surely they would have made more money filling Nottingham at previous prices. I seriously don't get their thinking at times, it's nihilistic to their fans.
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Post by iginla on Mar 16, 2022 15:13:26 GMT
if, as rumoured/reported here, the sales aren't as strong as previous years, then maybe they will look at hiring a smaller venue to keep costs down in future. Although I can't se it going to Sheffield due to a lack of hotels close by, certainly Belfast & Cardiff could be considered, although I get that the disadvantage of Belfast is that most clubs go for a weekend once during the season so fans would be reluctant to go again, especially as they might not see their team. But if the cost of Nottingham is within the budget then the EIHL will continue to return. We seem to have been saying thiss for the last 3-5 years ! There was nothing wrong with the previous price, it would have attracted all the regular attending fans.Ā It's typical EIHL greed, they deserve a quarter full stadium.Ā Surely they would have made more money filling Nottingham at previous prices. I seriously don't get their thinking at times, it's nihilistic to their fans.Ā The majority of fans have done the right thing. Otherwise next year it would be Ā£130 then more again the year after so a stand was needed and theyāve made it.
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 16, 2022 15:47:56 GMT
There was nothing wrong with the previous price, it would have attracted all the regular attending fans. It's typical EIHL greed, they deserve a quarter full stadium. Surely they would have made more money filling Nottingham at previous prices. I seriously don't get their thinking at times, it's nihilistic to their fans. The majority of fans have done the right thing. Otherwise next year it would be Ā£130 then more again the year after so a stand was needed and theyāve made it. Definitely Iggy, the stand has to start somewhere. Rich men are trying to recover some extra costs they've incurred whilst the loyal paying fans have (as an example) received greatly increased energy bills this week. It's a very poor state of affairs.
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Post by EMB on Mar 16, 2022 16:08:57 GMT
Was told by various sources at the arena last night & someone on Panthers management. I was surprised they were quite open about it in conversation.
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Post by wgray on Mar 16, 2022 17:23:00 GMT
Was told by various sources at the arena last night & someone on Panthers management. I was surprised they were quite open about it in conversation. Have any of the people you know given any reasons or an explanation as to why these crooked decisions have been made?
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Post by wannabe2 on Mar 16, 2022 17:36:08 GMT
if, as rumoured/reported here, the sales aren't as strong as previous years, then maybe they will look at hiring a smaller venue to keep costs down in future. Although I can't se it going to Sheffield due to a lack of hotels close by, certainly Belfast & Cardiff could be considered, although I get that the disadvantage of Belfast is that most clubs go for a weekend once during the season so fans would be reluctant to go again, especially as they might not see their team. But if the cost of Nottingham is within the budget then the EIHL will continue to return. We seem to have been saying thiss for the last 3-5 years ! Belfast too far, Cardiff too small it should stay in Nottingham.
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Post by John Casey on Mar 16, 2022 17:44:31 GMT
I think they'll do individual day tickets soon.
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Post by wannabe2 on Mar 16, 2022 18:17:31 GMT
How would that go down with people who have payed and didnāt have that option.
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Post by wannabe2 on Mar 16, 2022 18:18:11 GMT
Itās been a right cockerel up from start to finish, changing the dates to a bank holiday, No day passes, No Concessions, price increases, smaller squads, very Amateurish.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 18:20:58 GMT
I think they'll do individual day tickets soon. They can't move the goalposts now they've already sold tickets under certain conditions that would be suicide and another (in the great long list) of eihl own goals
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Post by DMS on Mar 16, 2022 18:55:13 GMT
Itās an odd wish but I kinda hope that neither sheffield or panthers make the weekend to further add to the woes of the event this year.
If either team make it you could still see people jump on the bandwagon and almost salvage a level of respectability for the league.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Mar 16, 2022 19:33:33 GMT
I think they'll do individual day tickets soon. They can't move the goalposts now they've already sold tickets under certain conditions that would be suicide and another (in the great long list) of eihl own goals Problem is they can do it and *without moving the goalposts technically*. This is the last sentence from the playoff tickets announcement. Problem is most people probably wouldn't read that far down after everything that's come before it... "Passes cover the full weekend. It will not be possible to purchase individual day tickets *at this time*." Simply by having those final three words they left themselves the option of selling day passes at a later date if required or they wanted too. Without it they'd have an legal issue potentially for false representation with anyone who'd bought the whole weekend thinking that was the only option, but by having those three words it meant tickets can be sold right up to the last day ...as in years gone by when it was sometimes still possible to get a ticket just for the second day after seeing if your team went through day one. So legally they've done everything required and can simply say well we never said day passes wouldn't be available...at all. We simply said just not right now. Can confirm the sentence has been there since it was first published and hasn't been added since as I read it on the day, and thought it smacked of hedging their bets of the money grab didn't come off They went for the money grab, got burnt and now will try and fill it out later with day passes I suspect. www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/2122-ticket-details-for-playoff-finals-weekend-2022
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Post by blackandgold73 on Mar 16, 2022 19:41:23 GMT
How would that go down with people who have payed and didnāt have that option. That's the problem. People didn't have the option "at this time" as they said but the EIHL left the door open for selling them later through clever wording in their announcement. But yes, they've shot themselves in the foot so many times over the play off weekend now they've lost any good will they ever had.
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Post by iginla on Mar 16, 2022 20:06:28 GMT
They can't move the goalposts now they've already sold tickets under certain conditions that would be suicide and another (in the great long list) of eihl own goals Problem is they can do it and *without moving the goalposts technically*. This is the last sentence from the playoff tickets announcement. Problem is most people probably wouldn't read that far down after everything that's come before it... "Passes cover the full weekend. It will not be possible to purchase individual day tickets *at this time*." Simply by having those final three words they left themselves the option of selling day passes at a later date if required or they wanted too. Without it they'd have an legal issue potentially for false representation with anyone who'd bought the whole weekend thinking that was the only option, but by having those three words it meant tickets can be sold right up to the last day ...as in years gone by when it was sometimes still possible to get a ticket just for the second day after seeing if your team went through day one. So legally they've done everything required and can simply say well we never said day passes wouldn't be available...at all. We simply said just not right now. Can confirm the sentence has been there since it was first published and hasn't been added since as I read it on the day, and thought it smacked of hedging their bets of the money grab didn't come off They went for the money grab, got burnt and now will try and fill it out later with day passes I suspect. www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/2122-ticket-details-for-playoff-finals-weekend-2022One would hope that if they tried to pull that stroke that absolutely nobody would buy a day pass purely on principle. I really really hope the whole thing ends up only third full and the biggest damp squib of the EIHL era. That would be exactly what they deserve.
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Post by iginla on Mar 16, 2022 20:14:20 GMT
They can't move the goalposts now they've already sold tickets under certain conditions that would be suicide and another (in the great long list) of eihl own goals Problem is they can do it and *without moving the goalposts technically*. This is the last sentence from the playoff tickets announcement. Problem is most people probably wouldn't read that far down after everything that's come before it... "Passes cover the full weekend. It will not be possible to purchase individual day tickets *at this time*." Simply by having those final three words they left themselves the option of selling day passes at a later date if required or they wanted too. Without it they'd have an legal issue potentially for false representation with anyone who'd bought the whole weekend thinking that was the only option, but by having those three words it meant tickets can be sold right up to the last day ...as in years gone by when it was sometimes still possible to get a ticket just for the second day after seeing if your team went through day one. So legally they've done everything required and can simply say well we never said day passes wouldn't be available...at all. We simply said just not right now. Can confirm the sentence has been there since it was first published and hasn't been added since as I read it on the day, and thought it smacked of hedging their bets of the money grab didn't come off They went for the money grab, got burnt and now will try and fill it out later with day passes I suspect. www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/2122-ticket-details-for-playoff-finals-weekend-2022One could ask them to define āat this timeā. Without an end date stated it could be argued that āat this timeā covers an indefinite period. They might well be on dodgy ground if they tried offering day passes.
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Post by wgray on Mar 16, 2022 20:19:13 GMT
Why cant they revert back to the last pricing setup and pay those back the difference who have already bought tickets? That is not rocket science.
Like Spence has said, you can see fans of Nottingham and Sheffield being unable to resist if their teams get there, so part of me is also hoping that neither do (which I never thought Iād say).
The whole situation has left a really bitter taste in my mouth, they have ruined the best weekend of the hockey season through their greed.
Everyone needs to stand their ground.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Mar 16, 2022 21:32:57 GMT
Problem is they can do it and *without moving the goalposts technically*. This is the last sentence from the playoff tickets announcement. Problem is most people probably wouldn't read that far down after everything that's come before it... "Passes cover the full weekend. It will not be possible to purchase individual day tickets *at this time*." Simply by having those final three words they left themselves the option of selling day passes at a later date if required or they wanted too. Without it they'd have an legal issue potentially for false representation with anyone who'd bought the whole weekend thinking that was the only option, but by having those three words it meant tickets can be sold right up to the last day ...as in years gone by when it was sometimes still possible to get a ticket just for the second day after seeing if your team went through day one. So legally they've done everything required and can simply say well we never said day passes wouldn't be available...at all. We simply said just not right now. Can confirm the sentence has been there since it was first published and hasn't been added since as I read it on the day, and thought it smacked of hedging their bets of the money grab didn't come off They went for the money grab, got burnt and now will try and fill it out later with day passes I suspect. www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/2122-ticket-details-for-playoff-finals-weekend-2022One could ask them to define āat this timeā. Without an end date stated it could be argued that āat this timeā covers an indefinite period. They might well be on dodgy ground if they tried offering day passes. Iggy, you're saying they should define a term that is used by businesses precisely because it's indefinite nature allows wiggle room? How many times have you heard "we have no comment to make at this time". It's used for a reason, it allows you to comment at a later date if you wish but doesn't commit you one way or the other too a comment at a later date either. And if you did appeal them selling day passes later the EIHL would simply read out the whole sentence - "It will not be possible to purchase individual day tickets at this time" - and say we said day passes would be available but just not at the time of this is press release. And you can't refute that reading of the phrase. It's cleverly worded for a reason
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Post by blackandgold73 on Mar 16, 2022 21:36:07 GMT
But day pass or not they'll not be getting my money this year (for the first time) after how they've handled and sold the finals weekend. So with this punter and friends, leaving themselves clever wiggle room makes not the blindest bit of difference.
If anything it makes us even more grateful we're standing our ground and not going and giving them money
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Post by iginla on Mar 16, 2022 21:51:28 GMT
But day pass or not they'll not be getting my money this year (for the first time) after how they've handled and sold the finals weekend. So with this punter and friends, leaving themselves clever wiggle room makes not the blindest bit of difference. If anything it makes us even more grateful we're standing out ground and not going and giving them money Good, we can only hope there are plenty more sensible and well principled fans who are not willing to be taken for mugs by the sly,greedy characters who run the EIHL.
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Post by iginla on Mar 16, 2022 21:56:21 GMT
One could ask them to define āat this timeā. Without an end date stated it could be argued that āat this timeā covers an indefinite period. They might well be on dodgy ground if they tried offering day passes. Iggy, you're saying they should define a term that is used by businesses precisely because it's indefinite nature allows wiggle room? How many times have you heard "we have no comment to make at this time". It's used for a reason, it allows you to comment at a later date if you wish but doesn't commit you one way or the other too a comment at a later date either. And if you did appeal them selling day passes later the EIHL would simply read out the whole sentence - "It will not be possible to purchase individual day tickets at this time" - and say we said day passes would be available but just not at the time of this is press release. And you can't refute that reading of the phrase. It's cleverly worded for a reason I donāt agree as they didnāt say āday passes would be availableā so that would be a lie. But we wonāt argue the point between us any further.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Mar 16, 2022 22:50:14 GMT
Iggy, you're saying they should define a term that is used by businesses precisely because it's indefinite nature allows wiggle room? How many times have you heard "we have no comment to make at this time". It's used for a reason, it allows you to comment at a later date if you wish but doesn't commit you one way or the other too a comment at a later date either. And if you did appeal them selling day passes later the EIHL would simply read out the whole sentence - "It will not be possible to purchase individual day tickets at this time" - and say we said day passes would be available but just not at the time of this is press release. And you can't refute that reading of the phrase. It's cleverly worded for a reason I donāt agree as they didnāt say āday passes would be availableā so that would be a lie. But we wonāt argue the point between us any further. Legally it 'could' be argued that's what they've said. Not saying they've come out and said in so many words but I'm saying that's what they could argue has been said and it would be hard to refute that interpretation in court. The point of the wording is that it *implies* day passes might be available at a later date; because it is a) acknowledging day passes are something that exist, b) can theoretically be bought and, c) crucially, might still be available to be bought at a later date. That is all that is required legally to make sure they're on pretty solid ground. If the EIHL hadn't also mentioned that day-passes are a 'thing' at all, that such things can be sold and might be sold in the future, then they couldn't then later sell any without potentially getting into legal hot water. The fact you interpret the sentence so differently is precisely why it's so valuable in being there. It's their "wiggle room". By being open to 'interpretation' legally they can argue you've misread their intention and still have it work in their favour. It's smart (but unpleasant) business practice. And the court would almost certainly rule in their favour if they do sell day-passes now precisely because of the factors outlined above: the press release acknowledges the existence of thing called a day pass, the possiblity of its sale at some future time and, therefore, the legitimacy of its sale at the future date of it occurs. PS: don't take this the wrong way but isn't having your say then saying "But we wonāt argue the point between us any further" the internet equivalent of "no returns" on a subject under discussion? Could be misconstrued as trying to claim the final say on a subject? Which may very well have been the opposite of your intention of course but unfortunately does rather come across that way
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Post by iginla on Mar 20, 2022 9:50:37 GMT
Has this been confirmed anywhere, or is it a rumour, myself I think itās far from true and wish it was true but 2,000. Ā Steelers will take at least that amount. Steelers ain't taking anywhere near that amount.. for starters they only have 3 blocks and that isn't 2,000 and that's if they sell their full allocation.. I'm thinking 3,500-4,000 š¤£š¤£
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Post by iginla on Mar 20, 2022 9:53:10 GMT
Has this been confirmed anywhere, or is it a rumour, myself I think itās far from true and wish it was true but 2,000. Ā Steelers will take at least that amount. Steelers ain't taking anywhere near that amount.. for starters they only have 3 blocks and that isn't 2,000 and that's if they sell their full allocation.. I'm thinking 3,500-4,000 š¤£š¤£ Steelers official supporters club not even sold their allocation so sending unsold tickets back to the arena. Itās looking more and more like itās going to be a disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2022 11:59:22 GMT
Steelers ain't taking anywhere near that amount.. for starters they only have 3 blocks and that isn't 2,000 and that's if they sell their full allocation.. I'm thinking 3,500-4,000 š¤£š¤£ Steelers official supporters club not even sold their allocation so sending unsold tickets back to the arena. Itās looking more and more like itās going to be a disaster. Good I hope it crashes and burns š¤£
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