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Post by wgray on Oct 27, 2021 14:52:59 GMT
We seem to have suffered with injuries since the season began and it’s now got worse at the wrong time, Steve Lee and Massimo Carozza placed in the injured reserve list, Clarke-Pizzo currently on it until Sunday 31st October. www.panthers.co.uk/home/211027-irIt would be great if we brought in at least one player to help this weekend but I can’t see that happening. After this weekend we play Dundee in the league then we have three cup games in a row. I personally feel that we need to sign another import permanently, giving us the 14, and that at least gives us more flexibility going forward as we don’t want injuries to be the reason that costs us.
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Post by iginla on Oct 27, 2021 14:56:27 GMT
Exactly why going with only 13 imports on an already reduced roster size was a dumb idea.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 27, 2021 14:59:55 GMT
I'm somewhat confused as to why/how we're using IR. We put MCP on it, but as far as I can see added no one to the roster as the temporary replacement. His window must almost be up now, why did we officially rule him out of an earlier return? Will we add to the roster for temporary replacement for these two? Lee's IR has now already run for 9 of its 21 days.
Surely the point is to be able to bring in replacements which don't count as roster changes? What am I missing here?
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 27, 2021 15:00:27 GMT
Exactly why going with only 13 imports on an already reduced roster size was a dumb idea. Yep, was bound to happen. The league's decision to set a wage cap this season was always going to be interesting to say the least.
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Post by iginla on Oct 27, 2021 15:11:54 GMT
Exactly why going with only 13 imports on an already reduced roster size was a dumb idea. Yep, was bound to happen. The league's decision to set a wage cap this season was always going to be interesting to say the least. All it needs now is a little bit of Covid to hit a few players in the camp and you’re into games getting postponed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 15:12:16 GMT
So theres no money in the pot to bring in a body to take the workload off those top two lines?
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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 27, 2021 16:33:14 GMT
I'm somewhat confused as to why/how we're using IR. We put MCP on it, but as far as I can see added no one to the roster as the temporary replacement. His window must almost be up now, why did we officially rule him out of an earlier return? Will we add to the roster for temporary replacement for these two? Lee's IR has now already run for 9 of its 21 days. Surely the point is to be able to bring in replacements which don't count as roster changes? What am I missing here? Do IR players have their wages covered by the team's insurance maybe? Would be one reason to use IR even if you're not bringing in a replacement? Allows you to have the money to bring in a short term replacement or save the money on wages. This is pure speculation by the way. Not sure how EIHL insurance is covered. But I know in some American sports injury insurance kicks in to cover wages if the player is on IR list.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 27, 2021 16:34:58 GMT
So theres no money in the pot to bring in a body to take the workload off those top two lines? *If* the team's insurance kicked in to cover player wages whilst on IR then that might free up the money for a short term replacement?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 16:42:23 GMT
I've also noticed it only seems panthers have players announced as placed on the IR? surely it's not only panthers who are trying to save a few quid on wages..(the cynic in me)
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Post by Yotes on Oct 27, 2021 16:44:48 GMT
I would've thought IR was an Elite League roster rules construct, rather than anything an external body like the insurance company would pay any attention to. I'd assume they'd want medical reports before paying out any money, if wages are insured against injury? Could be wrong of course.
When Cardiff put McNally on IR they had Valdix signed as a short term replacement, that's how I assumed it was designed to work. I'm surprised anyone is going on IR without the replacement ready to go tbh.
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Post by bobness on Oct 27, 2021 16:54:39 GMT
Mcnally hasn't played for a month, and counting. Valdix has been signed as a body, effectively, for now. Yet to score a point in 5 games.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 27, 2021 17:10:21 GMT
So when his IR window is up, which presumably it now is, they'll just not sign him (although they do have spare import slots anyway I think).
Isn't that the point of IR, that you get a free hit replacement, and if it doesn't work it doesn't cost you anything (roster-wise)?
I'm not especially bothered about a lack of Juraj Golicic signings, but I just don't see why we're bothering to make it official with IR, and to definitely rule these guys out for 21 days?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 17:31:10 GMT
So when his IR window is up, which presumably it now is, they'll just not sign him (although they do have spare import slots anyway I think). Isn't that the point of IR, that you get a free hit replacement, and if it doesn't work it doesn't cost you anything (roster-wise)? I'm not especially bothered about a lack of Juraj Golicic signings, but I just don't see why we're bothering to make it official with IR, and to definitely rule these guys out for 21 days? Is valdix at golicic's level then?
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Post by iginla on Oct 27, 2021 17:33:53 GMT
So when his IR window is up, which presumably it now is, they'll just not sign him (although they do have spare import slots anyway I think). Isn't that the point of IR, that you get a free hit replacement, and if it doesn't work it doesn't cost you anything (roster-wise)? I'm not especially bothered about a lack of Juraj Golicic signings, but I just don't see why we're bothering to make it official with IR, and to definitely rule these guys out for 21 days? That’s exactly right. If you put a player on IR then he recovers a week quicker than thought then as I understand it you can’t bring him back early. I don’t see any reason whatever to put anybody on IR if you’re not bringing a replacement in.
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Post by iginla on Oct 27, 2021 17:35:47 GMT
Mcnally hasn't played for a month, and counting. Valdix has been signed as a body, effectively, for now. Yet to score a point in 5 games. Valdix may not have scored a point yet,but he’s got a lot more chance of doing so than somebody who isn’t here !
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Oct 27, 2021 17:55:59 GMT
Lepine not busy at the moment ?
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Post by bobness on Oct 27, 2021 18:00:44 GMT
Mcnally hasn't played for a month, and counting. Valdix has been signed as a body, effectively, for now. Yet to score a point in 5 games. Valdix may not have scored a point yet,but he’s got a lot more chance of doing so than somebody who isn’t here ! As above, though, if the team signed (say) an inexperienced Swedish 3rd tier player, that would create its own waves! I too am not quite sure how IR is working...
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Post by wgray on Oct 27, 2021 18:06:07 GMT
I think the point of the Injured Reserve is that you can bring somebody in as cover, without it counting against the maximum number of roster additions for the season. Once the IR period is over you then either have to make the latest player an official addition or let them go, in which case they won’t have counted to your total.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 27, 2021 19:05:11 GMT
Is valdix at golicic's level then? According to his notices on The Inferno he's been no use whatsoever and is well past it, so Golicic's 2+1 would be miles better, but I was more referring to the sort of temporary euro signing we used to make when we wound up short, who'd play a few games then get released again. Robert Liscak was another. If we had a couple of them in for the 3 weeks of IR I could understand it, they may be no use or they may work out, but that's what IR was meant for according to the press release about it. If they didn't work we haven't lost anything. As it is we seem to be putting players on it for no discernable benefit to ourselves, unless as B&G says it has become a requirement of the insurance.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 27, 2021 19:37:59 GMT
I would've thought IR was an Elite League roster rules construct, rather than anything an external body like the insurance company would pay any attention to. I'd assume they'd want medical reports before paying out any money, if wages are insured against injury? Could be wrong of course. When Cardiff put McNally on IR they had Valdix signed as a short term replacement, that's how I assumed it was designed to work. I'm surprised anyone is going on IR without the replacement ready to go tbh. Yes that's the way I'd assumed it was intended to work. For the Elite League to have its own "wiggle room" to sign short term replacements. But like you I was surprised players were being placed on IR (ruling them out for a fixed time) if there was no sign of replacement cover coming in. So was wondering if there was a secondary benefit to them being on IR. If then being ruled out allowed for insurance to be claimed earlier than before? It may just be that they're being placed on IR in the hopes of bringing short term cover in but, like a lot of teams, we're finding the market very, very thin at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 19:43:13 GMT
Valdix just took a Face-off violation penalty and Guildford score on the subsequent PP. 🤦♂️
With help like that I'd rather play a player short 😂
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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 27, 2021 19:48:59 GMT
Is valdix at golicic's level then? According to his notices on The Inferno he's been no use whatsoever and is well past it, so Golicic's 2+1 would be miles better, but I was more referring to the sort of temporary euro signing we used to make when we wound up short, who'd play a few games then get released again. Robert Liscak was another. If we had a couple of them in for the 3 weeks of IR I could understand it, they may be no use or they may work out, but that's what IR was meant for according to the press release about it. If they didn't work we haven't lost anything. As it is we seem to be putting players on it for no discernable benefit to ourselves, unless as B&G says it has become a requirement of the insurance. Steelers temporary Euro goalie seems to have worked out alright for them after all. Surely we could raid Sweden's free agent list which has some nice players still available. Though I think Patrik Berglund is probably rather out of our price range 🤣. But there are others who must surely be looking for some kind of berth to showcase what they've got and that might buy in to Wallace's systems easily?
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Post by DMS on Oct 27, 2021 21:47:08 GMT
Lepine not busy at the moment ? Signed in the LNAH recently
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Oct 28, 2021 6:17:40 GMT
Lepine not busy at the moment ? Signed in the LNAH recently So he has, with Thetford Mines Assurancia
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