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Post by iginla on Oct 14, 2019 17:49:17 GMT
Considering NB knows the square root of naff all about ice hockey and players how the hell is he able to value a player. Just cough up and pay for the product!! The club would make more profit by spending more on players and getting us trophies because we’d be selling out most home games and buying into the team more!! Guys a tool!! That Bermuda Triangle needs to swallow him up sharpish Well, this would be my take on it, pretty much. How much does he actually know about hockey and player valuations? Does he have years of watching hockey experience and a database of players in various leagues and how much they're on? These would be the actions of someone who seems to know more about micromanaging other people's decisions? Surely if the player budget is £x a week, it doesn't matter how it's spent as long as the total is less than x? What a strange way to run a business if so. Quite....Black knows naff all about hockey. This is the guy who at the last Q+A asked “who is Brock Wilson” ? The same guy who would not pay Leigh Salters an extra £50 a week to come back for a second season. This is what reigns in Pantherland ! 🙄
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Post by Discoray on Oct 14, 2019 19:31:17 GMT
‘Tis true,if NB thinks a player isn’t worth the money the coach wants to pay the guy then we don’t sign him. I’ve been told this more than once by the office and ex players. How can black possibly know a players value!! He knows jack about the game always has and always will. Their EP Profile.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 14, 2019 20:14:13 GMT
Never heard of him. (Apologies for the language.)
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Post by iginla on Oct 14, 2019 20:20:33 GMT
Never heard of him. (Apologies for the language.) Haha it was a classic at the Q+A. Somebody mentioned Brock Wilson and with a quizzical look on his face Black asked “who is this Brock Wilson”. 🤣🙄 #clueless
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Post by marchand63 on Oct 14, 2019 20:26:35 GMT
You're spot on regarding the £50 for Salters Iginla. People don't realise what influence Freddy Black has on his father either. Neil thinks Freddie is the fount of all knowledge when it comes to hockey!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 21:09:06 GMT
How can black possibly know a players value!! He knows jack about the game always has and always will. Their EP Profile. That doesn't cut it for me I'm afraid. How did Blacky go on before EP was set up (when everyone went on hockeydb Instead?)
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Post by jdizpt8 on Oct 14, 2019 22:53:29 GMT
As much as I am Panthers through and through and want them to turn this around there’s a part of me that also doesn’t. Sit at the bottom all year, have the crowds fall week on week, have the team skate out to a nearly half empty arena or less. Fans need to stop going to fan events, stop buying shirts, stop buying tickets, stop turning up. I’m just thankful that Herr hasn’t jumped ship already because he’s the only import forward we’ve got who is worth having and trying to fix things around. If he gets injured and better replacements aren’t found then wow. Get used to being shut out
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Post by Discoray on Oct 15, 2019 10:13:17 GMT
That doesn't cut it for me I'm afraid. Not suggesting it does. I had to take a Clan player sacked 3 days after signing back to the airport, because he "only" had games from the Dutch & Finnish leagues in his EP profile. Also got told not to give him a penny of cash whatsoever (so no 2 week notice money), we ignored that instruction and paid the lad a months worth of his wages for the trouble.
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Post by bobness on Oct 15, 2019 10:46:08 GMT
[ This is the guy who at the last Q+A asked “who is Brock Wilson” ? The same guy who would not pay Leigh Salters an extra £50 a week to come back for a second season. Good to know we have such current ITK info to go on. Presumably Neilson (remember him?) and NB thought better players were available for that money? Players aren't always worth what they think they're worth. Brock Wilson was a decent player (but who only played for one season, hell I even forgot some players now and again (I give you Rhett Gordon, Phil Oreskovic, Franklin McDonald and Ed Hill, for example.)) who plays/played to certain Panthers fans negativity by shouting about how awful it is/was on twitter without actually doing anything constructive/positive. That the one? By your own posts above if NB personally signed off every player by looking on the internet, he's surely know who Brock Wilson was, wouldn't he, as he'd have diligently signed off the paperwork? His memory must be going, that's the only explanation.
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Post by iginla on Oct 15, 2019 11:45:56 GMT
[ This is the guy who at the last Q+A asked “who is Brock Wilson” ? The same guy who would not pay Leigh Salters an extra £50 a week to come back for a second season. Good to know we have such current ITK info to go on. Presumably Neilson (remember him?) and NB thought better players were available for that money? Players aren't always worth what they think they're worth. Brock Wilson was a decent player (but who only played for one season, hell I even forgot some players now and again (I give you Rhett Gordon, Phil Oreskovic, Franklin McDonald and Ed Hill, for example.)) who plays/played to certain Panthers fans negativity by shouting about how awful it is/was on twitter without actually doing anything constructive/positive. That the one? By your own posts above if NB personally signed off every player by looking on the internet, he's surely know who Brock Wilson was, wouldn't he, as he'd have diligently signed off the paperwork? His memory must be going, that's the only explanation. I’ve no idea what Black looks at re players,but he said this about Wilson only about 2 years after Brock played here. You would think Black would remember him easily bearing in mind he was here a full season and was the cousin of Jordan Fox and related to Wink Wilson an ex player too. Fox and Wilson wern’t exactly fringe players,they were always at the forefront of things and in the limelight when they were here.
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Post by Walitzer on Oct 15, 2019 12:13:09 GMT
Well, this would be my take on it, pretty much. How much does he actually know about hockey and player valuations? Does he have years of watching hockey experience and a database of players in various leagues and how much they're on? These would be the actions of someone who seems to know more about micromanaging other people's decisions? Surely if the player budget is £x a week, it doesn't matter how it's spent as long as the total is less than x? What a strange way to run a business if so. Quite....Black knows naff all about hockey. This is the guy who at the last Q+A asked “who is Brock Wilson” ? The same guy who would not pay Leigh Salters an extra £50 a week to come back for a second season. This is what reigns in Pantherland ! 🙄 Leigh Salters who left Nottingham to go to the Braehead Clan? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the same man hold both purse strings?
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Post by iginla on Oct 15, 2019 12:58:48 GMT
Quite....Black knows naff all about hockey. This is the guy who at the last Q+A asked “who is Brock Wilson” ? The same guy who would not pay Leigh Salters an extra £50 a week to come back for a second season. This is what reigns in Pantherland ! 🙄 Leigh Salters who left Nottingham to go to the Braehead Clan? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the same man hold both purse strings? Presumably so yes,maybe Black wanted to strengthen the then B team. Salters then left the Clan for Cardiff. Perhaps the Clan wouldn’t pay him an extra £50 a week at the end of that season either ! 😉
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Post by bobness on Oct 15, 2019 13:05:53 GMT
Leigh Salters who left Nottingham to go to the Braehead Clan? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the same man hold both purse strings? Presumably so yes,maybe Black wanted to strengthen the then B team. Salters then left the Clan for Cardiff. Perhaps the Clan wouldn’t pay him an extra £50 a week at the end of that season either ! 😉 I bet Cardiff regret paying him whatever they paid him that season too...
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Post by allingtonskates on Oct 15, 2019 15:49:14 GMT
Presumably so yes,maybe Black wanted to strengthen the then B team. Salters then left the Clan for Cardiff. Perhaps the Clan wouldn’t pay him an extra £50 a week at the end of that season either ! 😉 I bet Cardiff regret paying him whatever they paid him that season too... Leigh salters is one of the best legit power forwards you will see over here nowadays. His points dropped off in cardiff but still a solid player during his time here.
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Post by bobness on Oct 15, 2019 16:11:13 GMT
I bet Cardiff regret paying him whatever they paid him that season too... Leigh salters is one of the best legit power forwards you will see over here nowadays. His points dropped off in cardiff but still a solid player during his time here. Agreed. Always remember him utterly bossing the Riga Juniors game that year, they just couldn't play him at all.
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Post by meadow on Oct 15, 2019 16:33:56 GMT
All these Panthers / Clan stories about NB signing off on players interfering in deals etc - aside from our annoyance as fans - just indicates a professional toxicity around this club.
Its not hard to see why they (allegedly) have had trouble convincing experienced coaches to come over - professionally, why would you set yourself up for failure putting yourself in a situation where your clueless owner kiboshes signings over a few quid meaning you can't recruit the team you want?? Thats not even to mention the potential meddling from the white haired one...
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Post by bobness on Oct 25, 2019 17:20:20 GMT
I'v only just had chance to look at the video for this game, and the scoresheet in detail.
According to the gamesheet, Panthers were 2-4 down, in the last 2 minutes, but on a PP, with the goalie pulled, so 6 skaters on 4... Only in Pantherland could 3(!) of them have been defencemen...
One or two people go on about "game management" on these pages. Stuff like that makes me inclined to agree. Yes, maybe you want your big shooting D man on in that situation, but 3 out of 6 skaters? (It must be said, sadly, that there was no video of this (for some reason Guildford just didn't show the 5th goal on the highlights...), only the gamesheet)
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