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Post by iginla on Oct 13, 2019 10:21:21 GMT
Black is playing a dangerous game here.. lots of long standing supporters are walking away and it wont be easy enticing thoughs fans to return! With less Saturday games these days , the 'night out' brigade wont be strong enough to hold up attendances as they are far less of thoughs who go midweek or sundays. Black is playing a dangerous game. I’ve just looked at recent EIHL crowd stats and since the 2016/17 season and the 2018/19 season the Steelers have increased their crowds by 25% whilst the Panthers crowds have remained completely static. Long may that continue,unless change occurs within Panthers there is only one way they’re going and that’s even further down !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 13, 2019 11:01:06 GMT
Whilst I am being incredibly defeatist, I don’t see anything changing no matter how many fans on here stop attending (and I’m one of those fans no longer attending). There are more than enough casual fans who don’t really care how the team performs turning up. They’ll notice Panthers media when there’s a win, not when there’s multiple losses, so losses don’t really matter to the club. I’m not saying they don’t care. Of course they want how to win, but management are not bothered enough about winning because they can make money either way. My interest has waned enormously because of the same problems every damn season with no evidence of learning from mistakes. On top of that, it is noticeably expensive now. I go to Nottingham rugby and watch ice hockey on premier sports instead. It is much more enjoyable and far less infuriating. Which explains in a nutshell that this SPORT is now ENTERTAINMENT ONLY. It has been for years and if that’s what keeps the Bermuda bank happy nothing is ever going to change. The true panthers fans are just dinosaurs in today’s scheme of things. Just a pain in the @rse of the Nottingham business model as far as Panthers org are concerned and that’s the way the business has been positioned quite firmly. Said for years that the Panthers are in the WWE business now and I’m pretty sure that the org smiles at the thought of old time fans quite surprised that there are any left still around at all. Not needed and just an amusing thorn in the social media side. They must be wondering when the last fans finally give up and go so that they can get on with the real business of just the ££££
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Post by iginla on Oct 13, 2019 13:14:12 GMT
Hope Panthers have realised that casual fans probably don’t buy shirts and merchandise. 😁
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Post by PantherB on Oct 13, 2019 14:15:04 GMT
Hope Panthers have realised that casual fans probably don’t buy shirts and merchandise. 😁 Ice Locker took around 180 jersey orders when Panthers offered their 'Order a jersey before ___ and it will be signed by your favourite player'. They will have taken around £12,000 for that. Though I very much doubt there will be that many jersey sales between now and Christmas with how things are going.
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Oct 13, 2019 14:20:09 GMT
Disgusting, the organisation are absolutely milking the fans. Raking in the money whilst it appears they are spending less and less on the playing budget. I'd had enough over the last couple of years and decided I wasn't renewing my season ticket this year. I've been to 2 home games and went to guildford last night but theres not a chance the panthers are getting another penny from me until I see things change. If I fancy a game I'll show my support at an away game rather than NB pocket my hard earned.
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Post by humbucker on Oct 13, 2019 21:32:01 GMT
I gave up my interest in the Panthers a number of seasons ago and I did not miss it one bit. I transferred my allegiance to the junior games and saw the commitment that the kids put in and once more enjoyed the hockey experience. As many will know I follow the cap in hand end of ice hockey as I follow the fortunes and many misfortunes of the Nottingham Lions, but I still enjoy what the young guys bring to the game with support from the now much reduced senior end of the bench. Playing week in and week out against the odds and paying to play shows a spirit that is lacking, in my opinion, in the teams paying the big bucks to achieve a similar outcome, judging by recent events within the Panthers team/organisation. Hopefully the situation improves as attracting more of the committed, diehard and knowledgeable fans that they appear to be losing just might hurt the club eventually. I suppose that if the game is just the prelude to a night out then the product is of no great consequence and therefore why bother improving the product it will only cost more. I am truly glad that I made my stand a while ago and I have never been so relaxed as I watch kids genuinely giving their all.
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 13, 2019 22:11:25 GMT
I gave up my interest in the Panthers a number of seasons ago and I did not miss it one bit. I transferred my allegiance to the junior games and saw the commitment that the kids put in and once more enjoyed the hockey experience. As many will know I follow the cap in hand end of ice hockey as I follow the fortunes and many misfortunes of the Nottingham Lions, but I still enjoy what the young guys bring to the game with support from the now much reduced senior end of the bench. Playing week in and week out against the odds and paying to play shows a spirit that is lacking, in my opinion, in the teams paying the big bucks to achieve a similar outcome, judging by recent events within the Panthers team/organisation. Hopefully the situation improves as attracting more of the committed, diehard and knowledgeable fans that they appear to be losing just might hurt the club eventually. I suppose that if the game is just the prelude to a night out then the product is of no great consequence and therefore why bother improving the product it will only cost more. I am truly glad that I made my stand a while ago and I have never been so relaxed as I watch kids genuinely giving their all. Maybe the Lions could be utilised as the perfect little protest. One which allows the Lions to benefit from an increased gate and maybe some new long term fans. Panthers play another meaningless cup game on November the 2nd against Manchester. Wouldn't it be great if less that 2k turned up for that but get more than that in for the Lions game on the Sunday. No idea how itd work for the Lions having the main rink but id certainly turn up for it. Plenty of social media pictures of an empty arena for the Panthers game.
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Post by bobness on Oct 14, 2019 9:15:38 GMT
What planet is Wallace on ? In the post game radio interview he blames penalty trouble in the 3rd period and said “we played pretty much the whole period short”.....Errr Tim we took ONE penalty in the 3rd right at the start of it you dumb clown. He’s clutching at straws and he’s out of his depth ! Well, at least he can read a game sheet. I agree, it's a bizarre thing to say that "we were short pretty much the whole third", when Panthers took two (count them) minors at 46.12 and 48.09. He then refers to having to kill a 5 on 3. Yes, Tim, for 3 whole seconds, yes, you did. He neglects to mention that Flames were a man short for 234 out for the last 352 seconds of the game, Panthers being 6 on 4 for a good chunk of that, yet still managed to score twice... Clutching at Straws? May not the best Marillion album, but it is clearly one TW listens to. The above are very strange things to say when the facts just don't back them up. I'd hoped he'd be more matter of fact. "We got soundly beaten by a better team, I'm not happy at all..." Out of his depth? I don't think so. I fear, though, he may have to work hard the next few weeks to turn the ship. I'm expecting more changes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 9:16:47 GMT
What planet is Wallace on ? In the post game radio interview he blames penalty trouble in the 3rd period and said “we played pretty much the whole period short”.....Errr Tim we took ONE penalty in the 3rd right at the start of it you dumb clown. He’s clutching at straws and he’s out of his depth ! Well, at least he can read a game sheet. I agree, it's a bizarre thing to say that "we were short pretty much the whole third", when Panthers took two (count them) minors at 46.12 and 48.09. He then refers to having to kill a 5 on 3. Yes, Tim, for 3 whole seconds, yes, you did. He neglects to mention that Flames were a man short for 234 out for the last 352 seconds of the game, Panthers being 6 on 4 for a good chunk of that, yet still managed to score twice... Clutching at Straws? May not the best Marillion album, but it is clearly one TW listens to. The above are very strange things to say when the facts just don't back them up. I'd hoped he'd be more matter of fact. "We got soundly beaten by a better team, I'm not happy at all..." Out of his depth? I don't think so. I fear, though, he may have to work hard the next few weeks to turn the ship. I'm expecting more changes. More changes? There hasnt been any changes yet!
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Post by Mark on Oct 14, 2019 9:24:25 GMT
Nothing ever changes. Other teams get players in, the Panthers lose two and do nothing for weeks. Mind you, two new players are hardly likely to turn this bargain basement team around. The club is rotten, the main problem is further up the food chain.
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Post by EMB on Oct 14, 2019 9:26:55 GMT
We might have players lined up but being as NB has to sign off all the new players maybe its him that's stalling things
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Post by bobness on Oct 14, 2019 9:30:31 GMT
We might have players lined up but being as NB has to sign off all the new players maybe its him that's stalling things NB signs off all new players? Really?
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Post by bobness on Oct 14, 2019 9:31:21 GMT
More changes? There hasnt been any changes yet! Agreed. Jakobs had a quiet weekend, he should be first to be released.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 9:45:31 GMT
We might have players lined up but being as NB has to sign off all the new players maybe its him that's stalling things NB signs off all new players? Really? Yup if a player wants 100 quid p/w too much it's a no go.. even if that player has the potential to net 35-40 goals and actually make a difference
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Post by bobness on Oct 14, 2019 9:56:15 GMT
NB signs off all new players? Really? Yup if a player wants 100 quid p/w too much it's a no go.. even if that player has the potential to net 35-40 goals and actually make a difference Genuine question, how do we know this? Presumably NB's told you himself?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 9:58:58 GMT
Yup if a player wants 100 quid p/w too much it's a no go.. even if that player has the potential to net 35-40 goals and actually make a difference Genuine question, how do we know this? Presumably NB's told you himself? You wouldn't believe what NB has told me in the past across a table 😉. Regarding signing off deals on players I've been told by different people over the years and I have no doubt not to believe them
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 14, 2019 10:04:21 GMT
More changes? There hasnt been any changes yet! Agreed. Jakobs had a quiet weekend, he should be first to be released. You are funny Bobness.... I mean you're not, you're absolutely tedious but still well done for trying.
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Post by bobness on Oct 14, 2019 10:25:46 GMT
Agreed. Jakobs had a quiet weekend, he should be first to be released. You are funny Bobness.... I mean you're not, you're absolutely tedious but still well done for trying. Right back at you.
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Post by EMB on Oct 14, 2019 12:19:52 GMT
Yup if a player wants 100 quid p/w too much it's a no go.. even if that player has the potential to net 35-40 goals and actually make a difference Genuine question, how do we know this? Presumably NB's told you himself? Yes its very true, the ex coaches will tell you that. He told one of our ex coaches he signs everything off, its his money and he will spend it how he sees fit. We have had a few players in the past lined up only for NB to say no and they have gone to another EIHL club. All been revealed after they have left.
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Post by iginla on Oct 14, 2019 12:44:02 GMT
Genuine question, how do we know this? Presumably NB's told you himself? Yes its very true, the ex coaches will tell you that. He told one of our ex coaches he signs everything off, its his money and he will spend it how he sees fit. We have had a few players in the past lined up only for NB to say no and they have gone to another EIHL club. All been revealed after they have left. ‘Tis true,if NB thinks a player isn’t worth the money the coach wants to pay the guy then we don’t sign him. I’ve been told this more than once by the office and ex players.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Oct 14, 2019 13:42:38 GMT
Yes its very true, the ex coaches will tell you that. He told one of our ex coaches he signs everything off, its his money and he will spend it how he sees fit. We have had a few players in the past lined up only for NB to say no and they have gone to another EIHL club. All been revealed after they have left. ‘Tis true,if NB thinks a player isn’t worth the money the coach wants to pay the guy then we don’t sign him. I’ve been told this more than once by the office and ex players. Considering NB knows the square root of naff all about ice hockey and players how the hell is he able to value a player. Just cough up and pay for the product!! The club would make more profit by spending more on players and getting us trophies because we’d be selling out most home games and buying into the team more!! Guys a tool!! That Bermuda Triangle needs to swallow him up sharpish
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 14, 2019 13:57:47 GMT
‘Tis true,if NB thinks a player isn’t worth the money the coach wants to pay the guy then we don’t sign him. I’ve been told this more than once by the office and ex players. Considering NB knows the square root of naff all about ice hockey and players how the hell is he able to value a player. Just cough up and pay for the product!! The club would make more profit by spending more on players and getting us trophies because we’d be selling out most home games and buying into the team more!! Guys a tool!! That Bermuda Triangle needs to swallow him up sharpish Businessman of the year (or decade) for sure and I've said that for years. If it wasn't for the fact they are shooting fish in a barrel they would be worse than the Capitals were
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Post by bobness on Oct 14, 2019 14:24:44 GMT
‘Tis true,if NB thinks a player isn’t worth the money the coach wants to pay the guy then we don’t sign him. I’ve been told this more than once by the office and ex players. Considering NB knows the square root of naff all about ice hockey and players how the hell is he able to value a player. Just cough up and pay for the product!! The club would make more profit by spending more on players and getting us trophies because we’d be selling out most home games and buying into the team more!! Guys a tool!! That Bermuda Triangle needs to swallow him up sharpish Well, this would be my take on it, pretty much. How much does he actually know about hockey and player valuations? Does he have years of watching hockey experience and a database of players in various leagues and how much they're on? These would be the actions of someone who seems to know more about micromanaging other people's decisions? Surely if the player budget is £x a week, it doesn't matter how it's spent as long as the total is less than x? What a strange way to run a business if so.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 15:36:19 GMT
Yes its very true, the ex coaches will tell you that. He told one of our ex coaches he signs everything off, its his money and he will spend it how he sees fit. We have had a few players in the past lined up only for NB to say no and they have gone to another EIHL club. All been revealed after they have left. ‘Tis true,if NB thinks a player isn’t worth the money the coach wants to pay the guy then we don’t sign him. I’ve been told this more than once by the office and ex players. How can black possibly know a players value!! He knows jack about the game always has and always will.
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Post by iginla on Oct 14, 2019 17:41:53 GMT
‘Tis true,if NB thinks a player isn’t worth the money the coach wants to pay the guy then we don’t sign him. I’ve been told this more than once by the office and ex players. Considering NB knows the square root of naff all about ice hockey and players how the hell is he able to value a player. Just cough up and pay for the product!! The club would make more profit by spending more on players and getting us trophies because we’d be selling out most home games and buying into the team more!! Guys a tool!! That Bermuda Triangle needs to swallow him up sharpish Precisely yes. I’ve said it before several times how as a supposed shrewd businessman Black can’t seem to see that a winning team will lead to increased crowds and therefore more revenue.
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