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Post by wannabe2 on Oct 12, 2019 20:47:47 GMT
Steelers let them off the leash tonight. Finished Fife 3-10 Sheffield. Steelers were okay, but Flyers were total garbage, they didn’t have a clue tonight, anyway forget that crap what the hell is happening to you guys. Biggest club in the league, should be but what is going on. As a Devils fan we are doing okay, but I also want a strong Panthers team. Obviously not as much as you guys, but we need a strong league, and we need you guys to be title contenders.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 20:52:25 GMT
Steelers let them off the leash tonight. Finished Fife 3-10 Sheffield. Steelers were okay, but Flyers were total garbage, they didn’t have a clue tonight, anyway forget that crap what the hell is happening to you guys. Biggest club in the league, should be but what is going on. As a Devils fan we are doing okay, but I also want a strong Panthers team. Obviously not as much as you guys, but we need a strong league, and we need you guys to be title contenders. Yup and if this carries on the Panthers away following with get less and it will effect attendances around the league..
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Post by bobness on Oct 12, 2019 21:16:26 GMT
Bobness - are you sticking to this "Some definitely have the ability but are yet to show it in a Panthers shirt." ? Absolutely. Truer now than before.
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Post by Mozzy on Oct 12, 2019 21:21:59 GMT
Steelers let them off the leash tonight. Finished Fife 3-10 Sheffield. Steelers were okay, but Flyers were total garbage, they didn’t have a clue tonight, anyway forget that crap what the hell is happening to you guys. Biggest club in the league, should be but what is going on. As a Devils fan we are doing okay, but I also want a strong Panthers team. Obviously not as much as you guys, but we need a strong league, and we need you guys to be title contenders. Yes, the flyers were poor but that was more to do with how impressive Steelers looked. One 5 on 3 goal conceded then two with the young lad Kerlin in goal at the end. It was 10, it could have easily been 15. You say biggest club in the league......how, it's not even on attendances now, definately not league championships. You are right on one thing though, the league does need a strong Panthers team. This team is far from that and I'm surprised just how noticeable the fall from grace as been for Panthers. The triple winning team should have been a catalyst, like Devils had a few years ago, but it proved to be the cherry on top of a big downhill slide. I genuinely feel for the guys on here who have to put up with the rubbish served up by Black year in and year out. We've been trophyless for a few years now but at least we've always supported the on ice, even though it hasn't gone right. Wallace's hands seem tied with the budget given. Really don't see why the budget is apparently so low.
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Post by iginla on Oct 12, 2019 21:26:47 GMT
Wonder what would have happened by now if the Steelers crowd had been the Panthers crowd for the last five years ?
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Post by PantherG on Oct 12, 2019 21:37:33 GMT
VOTE WITH YOUR FEET.... it might mean a few less bottles of bubbles in Bermuda, but that might make them wake up and either sell up, or put in a budget that’s worthy of this club...
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Post by dill1015 on Oct 12, 2019 21:48:45 GMT
How long before that dirty word comes out again? Protest. I no it failed before and would struggle to get going again. The main reason being people struggling to agree on whats best. I wouldn't be suprised to see larger numbers back it this time though. Somrthings got to give. This is just plain ripping the fans off now. The best protest is not attending home games. Don't put your hard earned in their pockets. I dont.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Oct 12, 2019 22:14:43 GMT
The best protest is not attending home games. Don't put your hard earned in their pockets. I dont. Problem being many fans already did when they renewed their season tickets, money’s banked and counted. Nothing shows better than empty seats! Team skate out to a couple hundred fans on a Saturday and Moran and Black might take note. Clubs a joke, fans being mugged off and players seeming to not care or haven’t got the ability to change things.
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Post by Higgy on Oct 12, 2019 22:40:04 GMT
Problem being many fans already did when they renewed their season tickets, money’s banked and counted. Nothing shows better than empty seats! Team skate out to a couple hundred fans on a Saturday and Moran and Black might take note. Clubs a joke, fans being mugged off and players seeming to not care or haven’t got the ability to change things. The thing is though even though the fans are unhappy...there will still be at least 4000-5000 at every game. I'm hating how things are going but I will still be there on Sunday as I've paid for it. A lot of the casual fans wont give a damn if we are rubbish. I'm not attending any non season ticket games though.
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Post by wolfmac on Oct 12, 2019 22:41:15 GMT
I sometimes think that if Neil Black wanted a dynasty in Nottingham he’d have made one by now, probably riding the 2013 success, but the reality is that he knows he doesn’t need one.
As a club they are unavoidably the Night-in-town Panthers. They needn’t bother with rewarding longterm or devoted supporters because they have all the resources to maintain a profitable attendance with a potentially limitless fan turnaround *per game*. I went to Nottingham University from 2011-15, at the height of their success, and our halls/houses were stuffed with flyers encouraging us to “start your Saturday night” with “fast and furious ice hockey”, and a lot of students took them up on it. Once. Then again the following season. Once.
City centre premises with a novel early evening event; you could ban everybody who knew the roster off by heart and Black would still be printing money and he knows it. Panthers have a reputation in the town as a good night out, not a sports team worthy of its own lifelong loyalty.
Compare with Glasgow — exponential club investment annually since 2010, and why? Because their fanbase are almost entirely actual fans with virtually no casual presence. Getting to and from Braehead out of Glasgow proper is a test of anyone’s commitment, and Black knows that too, so he has to sincerely consider the impact of on-ice product on fans who care about the game itself. Steelers are similar, to a lesser extent; a suburban arena and a primary reputation as a local sports team to actively follow. With Corey and Clarke gone, who is left to really care about what it means to “be a Panther”? Robert Lachowicz? Say what you like about Sheffield, but they know how to create a cult and they breed players who live for the crest that rubs off on newcomers.
There’s talk of acting with wallets, but I don’t know how much of a difference it’ll make when The Nottingham Panthers is an entertainment venue first and a hockey team second.
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 12, 2019 23:05:06 GMT
Steelers were okay, but Flyers were total garbage, they didn’t have a clue tonight, anyway forget that crap what the hell is happening to you guys. Biggest club in the league, should be but what is going on. As a Devils fan we are doing okay, but I also want a strong Panthers team. Obviously not as much as you guys, but we need a strong league, and we need you guys to be title contenders. You say biggest club in the league......how, it's not even on attendances now, definately not league championships. I think it's based on the fact you're from Yorkshire... So you know.... the third World, no power, 5 fingers, webbed feet... etc.
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Post by iginla on Oct 12, 2019 23:13:54 GMT
You say biggest club in the league......how, it's not even on attendances now, definately not league championships. I think it's based on the fact you're from Yorkshire... So you know.... the third World, no power, 5 fingers, webbed feet... etc. Looking at crowds though,the Steelers do now seem well ahead of Panthers. Their 50/50 sales are miles ahead and looking around their arena you would think shirt sales are too. Black should be asking himself why that is.
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Post by Mozzy on Oct 12, 2019 23:27:19 GMT
I think it's based on the fact you're from Yorkshire... So you know.... the third World, no power, 5 fingers, webbed feet... etc. Looking at crowds though,the Steelers do now seem well ahead of Panthers. Their 50/50 sales are miles ahead and looking around their arena you would think shirt sales are too. Black should be asking himself why that is. Tony Smith has done a great job with our crowds. They've grown year on year since he came in and over the last few years, still growing even without trophies. That is something that used to be thrown at us regularly, if we don't win, people don't come. That isn't the case anymore. The 50\50 every week is over £2000, sometimes breaking £3000. You can't get near the merchandise shop in the arena before games there is so much stuff being sold. Add into that the feeling of the arena now being a proper home. Recognition finally from SIV with the flags and banners up outside permanently, the shop inside the concourse and various other things happening. As a club everything is growing and at a time when not playing well or winning trophies. If we can add a good team into that too, then it could be exciting times again. I just don't get why Neil Black cannot do for you what Tony Smith has done in Sheffield. Unless of course, it is all true, and he just pockets the profits your club clearly makes.
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Post by Mozzy on Oct 12, 2019 23:28:32 GMT
You say biggest club in the league......how, it's not even on attendances now, definately not league championships. I think it's based on the fact you're from Yorkshire... So you know.... the third World, no power, 5 fingers, webbed feet... etc. lol
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Post by iginla on Oct 12, 2019 23:41:10 GMT
Looking at crowds though,the Steelers do now seem well ahead of Panthers. Their 50/50 sales are miles ahead and looking around their arena you would think shirt sales are too. Black should be asking himself why that is. Tony Smith has done a great job with our crowds. They've grown year on year since he came in and over the last few years, still growing even without trophies. That is something that used to be thrown at us regularly, if we don't win, people don't come. That isn't the case anymore. The 50\50 every week is over £2000, sometimes breaking £3000. You can't get near the merchandise shop in the arena before games there is so much stuff being sold. Add into that the feeling of the arena now being a proper home. Recognition finally from SIV with the flags and banners up outside permanently, the shop inside the concourse and various other things happening. As a club everything is growing and at a time when not playing well or winning trophies. If we can add a good team into that too, then it could be exciting times again. I just don't get why Neil Black cannot do for you what Tony Smith has done in Sheffield. Unless of course, it is all true, and he just pockets the profits your club clearly makes. It’s true,Black doesn’t want to do it,he just wants to pocket the profits. If you were to write his Panthers epitaph it would read something like.....”he always did just enough to get by but never went the extra mile needed” !
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Post by allingtonskates on Oct 13, 2019 2:08:35 GMT
What planet is Wallace on ? In the post game radio interview he blames penalty trouble in the 3rd period and said “we played pretty much the whole period short”.....Errr Tim we took ONE penalty in the 3rd right at the start of it you dumb clown. He’s clutching at straws and he’s out of his depth ! i think he has lost hope in this team.
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Post by wasteoftime on Oct 13, 2019 7:06:42 GMT
The vast majority of casual people who wanted to watch a match before going into town all asked the same question. Will there be plenty of fights.With nearly non contact hockey now being paid, I have a feeling a lot of those won't go more than once.
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Post by ted logan on Oct 13, 2019 8:00:40 GMT
I decided in the summer that enough was enough. Just couldn’t stomach any more - on the ice and off it. I’d nearly made this decision a couple of times before but always kept thinking ‘just one more season’.
So that was 3 long term ST holders gone. Kept my money in my wallet and by the sounds/looks of it, a good decision.
Not missing it all which is not how I expected to feel. Said I’d go to a few games, not sure that will happen either.
Well done NB/GM and thank you.
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Post by PantherG on Oct 13, 2019 8:11:06 GMT
Exactly the same for us, as well as five season tickets to the left of us, four to the right and three behind us.
The issue is the team will win tonight, a new player or two will be announced next week and all will be good again in the eyes of many..... and NB will go back to counting his £££
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Post by bobness on Oct 13, 2019 8:58:02 GMT
Looking at crowds though,the Steelers do now seem well ahead of Panthers. Their 50/50 sales are miles ahead and looking around their arena you would think shirt sales are too. Black should be asking himself why that is. Tony Smith has done a great job with our crowds. They've grown year on year since he came in and over the last few years, still growing even without trophies. That is something that used to be thrown at us regularly, if we don't win, people don't come. That isn't the case anymore. The 50\50 every week is over £2000, sometimes breaking £3000. You can't get near the merchandise shop in the arena before games there is so much stuff being sold. Add into that the feeling of the arena now being a proper home. Recognition finally from SIV with the flags and banners up outside permanently, the shop inside the concourse and various other things happening. As a club everything is growing and at a time when not playing well or winning trophies. If we can add a good team into that too, then it could be exciting times again. I just don't get why Neil Black cannot do for you what Tony Smith has done in Sheffield. Unless of course, it is all true, and he just pockets the profits your club clearly makes. This. Not been to Sheffield fo a couple of years, but what struck me last time I went were those 2 things. Massive 50/50. I even bought my ticket off Simmsey. The club gets half of that, don't forget. At £2k a week, that will pay for a pretty decent player. Enormous queues at the merch stand (Hell, now there's even a Steelers shop now). Compare and contrast to the Panthers stall where the merch is generally rubbish quality, a very poor range, massively overpriced and thus the only people I ever see at the stand are the staff. Someone told me once that Steelers commit to a new line of merch (generally for pocket money prices, pen, puck, magnet etc) every home game. Buy it in, create the buzz, price it keen, sell it out, pocket the profit, move on to next week. My daughter used to work at the NIC and when she was there everything was priced at 300% margins, so a lovely profit in theory, but nothing ever sold. I'd rather have 150% margin on actual sales (and sell out) than 300% of margin on nothing. If NB can't see the mega-money that is being turned away there, he's not the businessman he claims to be. That and the £5 a game games. Speculate to accumulate and all that, marginal revenue, a full arena buys more merch, 50:50, beer etc etc
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Post by Mark Mac on Oct 13, 2019 9:12:30 GMT
Whilst I am being incredibly defeatist, I don’t see anything changing no matter how many fans on here stop attending (and I’m one of those fans no longer attending). There are more than enough casual fans who don’t really care how the team performs turning up. They’ll notice Panthers media when there’s a win, not when there’s multiple losses, so losses don’t really matter to the club. I’m not saying they don’t care. Of course they want how to win, but management are not bothered enough about winning because they can make money either way.
My interest has waned enormously because of the same problems every damn season with no evidence of learning from mistakes. On top of that, it is noticeably expensive now. I go to Nottingham rugby and watch ice hockey on premier sports instead. It is much more enjoyable and far less infuriating.
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Post by wolfmac on Oct 13, 2019 9:36:18 GMT
At this point, the only thing that would be impossible to ignore for Moran, and by extension Black, is extremely rare in the league and an unspoken no-no for whatever reason: protesting the situation at the games themselves.
Banners, chants or gestures (getting newspapers out and reading them, wallets out and waving them) to cause a stink that will be on full display for both ownership and casuals, who’ll go away with town gossip as entertaining as a fight would’ve been.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Oct 13, 2019 9:36:58 GMT
It’s sad to think how many fans are in the same boat where they are walking away from the club and not actually missing it. I used to go week in week out to home games and even go to a handful of away games too. I’ve now been to maybe 4 games the last 2 seasons. There is currently nothing about the club that excites me. 2013 season that team was unreal it had everything, 2014 well we know how that went but still moments of entertainment. The Cam Jansen season that guy had everyone on the edge of their seats and frankly kinda ruined it when he left because I knew there wouldn’t be another player like him for many years to come, we tried with Big Ern and he did a job and brought some spark to the game followed by Gagnon and the CHL run which was exciting but since then it’s been boring as watching paint dry. The happy clappers and the night out brigade are making it acceptable for the club to put crap on the ice and make money. True fans don’t have any power anymore. The sooner the club is sold and staff changes are made the better. When that will be . . . Your guess is as good as mine
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 9:53:04 GMT
Black is playing a dangerous game here.. lots of long standing supporters are walking away and it wont be easy enticing thoughs fans to return! With less Saturday games these days , the 'night out' brigade wont be strong enough to hold up attendances as they are far less of thoughs who go midweek or sundays.
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Post by spik on Oct 13, 2019 10:17:38 GMT
Whilst I am being incredibly defeatist, I don’t see anything changing no matter how many fans on here stop attending (and I’m one of those fans no longer attending). There are more than enough casual fans who don’t really care how the team performs turning up. They’ll notice Panthers media when there’s a win, not when there’s multiple losses, so losses don’t really matter to the club. I’m not saying they don’t care. Of course they want how to win, but management are not bothered enough about winning because they can make money either way. My interest has waned enormously because of the same problems every damn season with no evidence of learning from mistakes. On top of that, it is noticeably expensive now. I go to Nottingham rugby and watch ice hockey on premier sports instead. It is much more enjoyable and far less infuriating. Which explains in a nutshell that this SPORT is now ENTERTAINMENT ONLY.
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