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Post by pantherlee on Aug 17, 2019 13:38:45 GMT
Chernomaz left some time in January I believe. We should have had Fox In my opinion. He said he signed in Sheffield in February. Why? Fox hasn’t even proven himself yet and you talk like he’s the only coach out there. Think some are looking at the orange lot with more envy than they deserve. As for the statement regarding catching devils and giants so what? Our target should be the exact same thing and no one would include steelers in that statement from our point of view as they were even worse
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Post by allingtonskates on Aug 17, 2019 16:06:59 GMT
he has coached in the EBEL whereas Wallace has coached MKL. And Rich Chernomaz had coached DEL & DEL2 before he came here... remind me again how that went? Just as with players, what's on the CV frequently doesn't seem to match with reality when hitting these shores. Again... we thought that for us last year. Oops. Spot on. Personally - based on what we know of the two men - I don't see why we should want Fox over Wallace. Fox may have the more impressive CV... Wallace already has experience of this league and has already proven that he can raise a team up higher than was expected. It's entirely possible that Fox could turn out to be a better coach than Wallace... or he could turn out to be a lame duck. We'll know by the end of the season, but hindsight is very little use. there is too key factors that is a difference between chernomaz and fox. Fox is no where near as experienced as chernomaz which could be good or bad, and Chernomaz dropped down the German leagues before joining us. obviously I'm basing all of this on paper as I haven't seen fox coach a team but he seems to have great contacts and the players they have brought in are superb (on paper). before the season starts you cant really deny that they look up there with Cardiff and Belfast whereas we look a step behind them three. also just because players are out of their prime means nothing at all. MSP played in the KHL last season, you don't play their if your past your prime and no good. to play in the KHL for the amount of time he did you have to be absolute quality and there is no reason why MSP cant tear this league up. on the other hand you have Lemtyugov, split last season in the EBEL and asia. no doubt that's a drop off compared to the KHL but he got 11 points in 15 games in the EBEL which is a higher quality league than our own. they also have proven players in our league (that put up better points than Bulmer and Golovkovs) so that should give them safe point production if by some stroke of luck the likes of MSP and Davies come here and flop. I think its almost impossible to argue that we have recruited better than them so that's what im basing my argument off so far, as I said before its down to weather he can actually coach them or not.
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Post by allingtonskates on Aug 17, 2019 16:10:03 GMT
Chernomaz left some time in January I believe. We should have had Fox In my opinion. He said he signed in Sheffield in February. Why? Fox hasn’t even proven himself yet and you talk like he’s the only coach out there. Think some are looking at the orange lot with more envy than they deserve. As for the statement regarding catching devils and giants so what? Our target should be the exact same thing and no one would include steelers in that statement from our point of view as they were even worse what? I'm saying Fox was looking for a job near the time Chernomaz left. I would have took Fox over Wallace if I knew he was available then personally. no doubt at all id take their roster over ours. like I said earlier now its just time to see if he can coach them to a championship.
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 17, 2019 16:41:54 GMT
Why? Fox hasn’t even proven himself yet and you talk like he’s the only coach out there. Think some are looking at the orange lot with more envy than they deserve. As for the statement regarding catching devils and giants so what? Our target should be the exact same thing and no one would include steelers in that statement from our point of view as they were even worse what? I'm saying Fox was looking for a job near the time Chernomaz left. I would have took Fox over Wallace if I knew he was available then personally. no doubt at all id take their roster over ours. like I said earlier now its just time to see if he can coach them to a championship. Except that we didn’t have the DOH in place which was the direction we wanted to go. And so what if Fox was available then. Yes Steelers roster looks impressive but no one knows what the roster signed is going to be beforehand. What if Fox fails? Will you still be saying we should have got him?
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Post by Joe on Aug 17, 2019 16:45:06 GMT
I don’t think based off Steelers roster this season that you can say Fox is a great recruiter as it appears that he’s just brought in players from in and around Zagreb from when they were in the KHL and EBEL. I could be wrong but I just don’t think their roster suggests that he’s got a large or great contact list
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Post by allingtonskates on Aug 17, 2019 16:52:40 GMT
what? I'm saying Fox was looking for a job near the time Chernomaz left. I would have took Fox over Wallace if I knew he was available then personally. no doubt at all id take their roster over ours. like I said earlier now its just time to see if he can coach them to a championship. Except that we didn’t have the DOH in place which was the direction we wanted to go. And so what if Fox was available then. Yes Steelers roster looks impressive but no one knows what the roster signed is going to be beforehand. What if Fox fails? Will you still be saying we should have got him? yup I agree with that. I have stated multiple times that my argument is purely based on paper and we still need to see him coaching them. my point is on paper they look a lot more like title challengers than us.
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Post by allingtonskates on Aug 17, 2019 16:53:35 GMT
I don’t think based off Steelers roster this season that you can say Fox is a great recruiter as it appears that he’s just brought in players from in and around Zagreb from when they were in the KHL and EBEL. I could be wrong but I just don’t think their roster suggests that he’s got a large or great contact list fair enough but id take their roster over ours (yet again ill state that this is on paper)
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Post by texpef on Aug 17, 2019 17:53:11 GMT
he has coached in the EBEL whereas Wallace has coached MKL. And Rich Chernomaz had coached DEL & DEL2 before he came here... remind me again how that went? Just as with players, what's on the CV frequently doesn't seem to match with reality when hitting these shores. Again... we thought that for us last year. Oops. Spot on. Personally - based on what we know of the two men - I don't see why we should want Fox over Wallace. Fox may have the more impressive CV... Wallace already has experience of this league and has already proven that he can raise a team up higher than was expected. It's entirely possible that Fox could turn out to be a better coach than Wallace... or he could turn out to be a lame duck. We'll know by the end of the season, but hindsight is very little use. How is this true... he was expected to come last and thats exactly what he did, not exceeding expectations in my book....
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 17, 2019 18:02:03 GMT
I know exactly what he does, he's Accomodation Officer.... arranges housing & cars for the players... etc.
Doing a fine job as well apparently.
Doesn’t sound the most taxing of jobs - is it a full time position? Green is full time employed by the club, yes. There's more to the role than stated, he is also involved in the media & communications side of things. He's very well liked at the club.
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Post by iginla on Aug 17, 2019 18:54:38 GMT
Doesn’t sound the most taxing of jobs - is it a full time position? Green is full time employed by the club, yes. There's more to the role than stated, he is also involved in the media & communications side of things. He's very well liked at the club. Yah His father in laws influence around the arena is rather well liked by Panthers too !
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Post by iginla on Aug 17, 2019 18:56:29 GMT
Why? Fox hasn’t even proven himself yet and you talk like he’s the only coach out there. Think some are looking at the orange lot with more envy than they deserve. As for the statement regarding catching devils and giants so what? Our target should be the exact same thing and no one would include steelers in that statement from our point of view as they were even worse what? I'm saying Fox was looking for a job near the time Chernomaz left. I would have took Fox over Wallace if I knew he was available then personally. no doubt at all id take their roster over ours. like I said earlier now its just time to see if he can coach them to a championship. Don’t forget the two Brit packs too.....massive difference there !
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Post by PantherG on Aug 17, 2019 19:23:08 GMT
I don’t think based off Steelers roster this season that you can say Fox is a great recruiter as it appears that he’s just brought in players from in and around Zagreb from when they were in the KHL and EBEL. I could be wrong but I just don’t think their roster suggests that he’s got a large or great contact list fair enough but id take their roster over ours (yet again ill state that this is on paper) I doubt we could afford their roster on our budget tbh.. On paper they are spending way more than we are... I would assume we are spending significantly less than Belfast, Sheffield and Cardiff, sadly we just cannot compete.
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Post by allingtonskates on Aug 17, 2019 19:39:37 GMT
what? I'm saying Fox was looking for a job near the time Chernomaz left. I would have took Fox over Wallace if I knew he was available then personally. no doubt at all id take their roster over ours. like I said earlier now its just time to see if he can coach them to a championship. Don’t forget the two Brit packs too.....massive difference there ! exactly.
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Post by allingtonskates on Aug 17, 2019 19:40:25 GMT
5-3 up after being 3-0 down. They look impressive.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 17, 2019 19:41:51 GMT
5-3 up after being 3-0 down. They look impressive. Oh, you've ruined that. They're 0-2 on FlashScores.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 19:54:11 GMT
Who's reading too much into pre season 😂
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 17, 2019 19:59:07 GMT
Don’t forget the two Brit packs too.....massive difference there ! exactly. Yes there is a difference in the Brit pack but what has that got to do with Fox or Wallace? Fox played no role in having Dowd, O’Connor, Phillips etc neither is Wallace responsible for Lee or Farmer leaving
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Post by allingtonskates on Aug 17, 2019 20:36:00 GMT
Yes there is a difference in the Brit pack but what has that got to do with Fox or Wallace? Fox played no role in having Dowd, O’Connor, Phillips etc neither is Wallace responsible for Lee or Farmer leaving when did I say it was because of the coaches? that was about having their team over ours.
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Post by cjones on Aug 18, 2019 8:14:24 GMT
Who's reading too much into pre season 😂 Me me me me lol
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Post by kezypanther on Aug 18, 2019 8:43:58 GMT
Anyone have any idea when Malmquist will arrive?
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