Pies
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Post by Pies on Jul 28, 2019 14:23:52 GMT
Fingers crossed it goes catastrophically wrong for them. I feel like they're throwing everything at this season so whilst they may be good this season, it wouldn't surprise me if they came back down to earth in a couple of years. I hope that their 2 import goaltenders with no apparent interest in a British backup, also bites them on the rear, and their relatively old defence get worn out early on. hopefully but surely they'd know by now not to blow their load on one season or 2. You must be new around here kid. That’s the Steelers mentality through and through
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 28, 2019 14:24:41 GMT
hopefully but surely they'd know by now not to blow their load on one season or 2. You must be new around here kid. That’s the Steelers mentality through and through
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Post by kgw on Jul 28, 2019 15:20:56 GMT
I find it hilarious that Steelers fans are bringing up the times we said Whistle was dreadful etc. Those halfwits clearly don't understand that he isn't going to be a starter with us, and might not even be sharing the starts equally. I'd be surprised if Whistle starts more than 25 games over the season. But hey, I guess they need something to satisfy their simple mentality. Just relax.
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iginla
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Post by iginla on Jul 28, 2019 16:32:15 GMT
their team is so good I don't think they care, they just wanna wind us up. Fingers crossed it goes catastrophically wrong for them. I feel like they're throwing everything at this season so whilst they may be good this season, it wouldn't surprise me if they came back down to earth in a couple of years. I hope that their 2 import goaltenders with no apparent interest in a British backup, also bites them on the rear, and their relatively old defence get worn out early on. Thing is though about Steelers going with the two import goalies is that their very strong Brit pack allows them to do it. No other team in the EIHL could do that without leaving one of their four lines weak.
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iginla
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Post by iginla on Jul 28, 2019 16:34:41 GMT
You've got a good prospect there who is, relative to Bowns at the same age, possibly more advanced. If his progress remains on a par he will be at least as good. Steelers foot shooting again in my opinion! He is an excellent prospect but needs ice time like Bowns got at Hull. I hope he isn’t wasted. And that’s the problem,Whistle is a good prospect yes but he’s not going to get much better playing ten games a season.
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Post by PantherB on Jul 28, 2019 16:51:52 GMT
Fingers crossed it goes catastrophically wrong for them. I feel like they're throwing everything at this season so whilst they may be good this season, it wouldn't surprise me if they came back down to earth in a couple of years. I hope that their 2 import goaltenders with no apparent interest in a British backup, also bites them on the rear, and their relatively old defence get worn out early on. Thing is though about Steelers going with the two import goalies is that their very strong Brit pack allows them to do it. No other team in the EIHL could do that without leaving one of their four lines weak. There's only really Dowd and O'Connor who'll be making good contributions. Whistle is trash, Davy Philips isn't great, Jono Philips is surely going to continue slowing down. Shudra should do alright, quite like his style. Then the rest are prospects (Brown, Graham, Griffin) who probably won't make big contributions this season but have the potential to in the future. They have a deep Brit pack for sure, but I'm not sure it's that strong. If we get Farmer back then I'd say we're probably on par with them. Without Farmer their Brit pack is better than ours. Perlini Whistle Betteridge Lachowicz Tetlow Kelsall Hazleldine Farmer? It's not bad.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 28, 2019 16:54:35 GMT
Thing is though about Steelers going with the two import goalies is that their very strong Brit pack allows them to do it. No other team in the EIHL could do that without leaving one of their four lines weak. There's only really Dowd and O'Connor who'll be making good contributions. Whistle is trash, Davy Philips isn't great, Jono Philips is surely going to continue slowing down. Shudra should do alright, quite like his style. Then the rest are prospects (Brown, Graham, Griffin) who probably won't make big contributions this season but have the potential to in the future. They have a deep Brit pack for sure, but I'm not sure it's that strong. If we get Farmer back then I'd say we're probably on par with them. Without Farmer their Brit pack is better than ours. Perlini Whistle Betteridge Lachowicz Tetlow Kelsall Hazleldine Farmer? It's not bad. i doubt their young players will get much ice time at all with their new coach. I’d like us to play whistle a bit more than most people if we are keeping him long term, develop him into a legit Brit starter which he has to potential to be.
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Shaggy
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Post by Shaggy on Jul 28, 2019 16:58:23 GMT
Jono Philips is surely going to continue slowing down You are kidding, right? It continually surprises me how fast he can be, but Jono Philips is not "slowing down" - as you can see at the beginning of this video (less than 2 months ago):- <'That' GB goal>Remember that this was in OT at the end of an exhausting tournament (7 games in 10 days) after a full regular season... anyone who can manage that turn of speed with all of that taken into consideration cannot be said to be "slowing down"...
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Post by PantherB on Jul 28, 2019 17:11:26 GMT
Jono Philips is surely going to continue slowing down You are kidding, right? It continually surprises me how fast he can be, but Jono Philips is not "slowing down" - as you can see at the beginning of this video (less than 2 months ago):- <'That' GB goal>Remember that this was in OT at the end of an exhausting tournament (7 games in 10 days) after a full regular season... anyone who can manage that turn of speed with all of that taken into consideration cannot be said to be "slowing down"... Look at the situation, life or death game, adrenaline pumping like no tomorrow.. like you say, after 7 games in 10 days, how is it possible a guy can chase a puck down so ruthlessly! It's beyond commendable. But as we always see, players playing on the international stage tend to play differently to in a domestic setting. Or they do at least if they're a Panthers player. At the end of the day, he's 37. If he continues to get quicker I'll go and buy a hat and then eat it. There will come a point where players' bodies begin to break down, it's sport, and this season could be that season for J Philips. Teams are signing quicker and younger players too.
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Post by iginla on Jul 28, 2019 17:40:29 GMT
Thing is though about Steelers going with the two import goalies is that their very strong Brit pack allows them to do it. No other team in the EIHL could do that without leaving one of their four lines weak. There's only really Dowd and O'Connor who'll be making good contributions. Whistle is trash, Davy Philips isn't great, Jono Philips is surely going to continue slowing down. Shudra should do alright, quite like his style. Then the rest are prospects (Brown, Graham, Griffin) who probably won't make big contributions this season but have the potential to in the future. They have a deep Brit pack for sure, but I'm not sure it's that strong. If we get Farmer back then I'd say we're probably on par with them. Without Farmer their Brit pack is better than ours. Perlini Whistle Betteridge Lachowicz Tetlow Kelsall Hazleldine Farmer? It's not bad. Give over... Farmer isn’t even signed. Hazledine and Kelsall may as well not be there. Whistle won’t usually even be on the ice. That leaves Perlini,Lacho,Betteridge and Tetlow v O’Connor,Dowd,Phillips and Phillips.....it’s not even close ! 🙄
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Post by Shaggy on Jul 28, 2019 22:57:39 GMT
You are kidding, right? It continually surprises me how fast he can be, but Jono Philips is not "slowing down" - as you can see at the beginning of this video (less than 2 months ago):- <'That' GB goal>Remember that this was in OT at the end of an exhausting tournament (7 games in 10 days) after a full regular season... anyone who can manage that turn of speed with all of that taken into consideration cannot be said to be "slowing down"... Look at the situation, life or death game, adrenaline pumping like no tomorrow.. like you say, after 7 games in 10 days, how is it possible a guy can chase a puck down so ruthlessly! It's beyond commendable. But as we always see, players playing on the international stage tend to play differently to in a domestic setting. Or they do at least if they're a Panthers player. Adrenaline can (not 'will') give you a bit of a boost... but no average or 'slowing down' skater is going to be able to win a foot-race like that in a skate down most of the length of a hockey rink like that. As for how players perform domestically vs internationally... sometimes - maybe a lot of the time - that can be down to differences in coaching... what roles they are given, etc. Who said anything about him getting quicker? You said he is "surely going to continue slowing down" - indicating that you believe that he has already started slowing down - and I disagreed. Nothing about him getting quicker... All true in the abstract... and all speculation in this instance. Jono Philips continues to impress me more and more as time goes on... he's got the hands, he's got the hockey brain (as exemplified by that assist to Ben Davies), he's got the leadership ability... and he certainly seems to still have the legs for it! I used to write him off as mainly a supporting player... but year on year he has impressed me more and more. I can only consider him to be a significant plus to the Sheffield roster. Getting back onto topic... I'd like to be wrong about Jackson Whistle, I really would. Maybe I've just not seen him when he's either been on form or had a good enough team in front of him... but he simply hasn't impressed much at all. Those who have seen him play more than I have (a few times each for Belfast, Sheffield and GB) will no doubt have a better idea of his potential... if what's been said by some is correct, then maybe he could start rising through the ranks given the proper support and the right amount of ice time (not too much, not too little). Although the suggestions that he may end up being better than Ben Bowns... that would be nice to see, but he's got a fair way to go before he gets there, I think. Would love to see it happen if he stays with us though.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 28, 2019 23:32:50 GMT
Look at the situation, life or death game, adrenaline pumping like no tomorrow.. like you say, after 7 games in 10 days, how is it possible a guy can chase a puck down so ruthlessly! It's beyond commendable. But as we always see, players playing on the international stage tend to play differently to in a domestic setting. Or they do at least if they're a Panthers player. Adrenaline can (not 'will') give you a bit of a boost... but no average or 'slowing down' skater is going to be able to win a foot-race like that in a skate down most of the length of a hockey rink like that. As for how players perform domestically vs internationally... sometimes - maybe a lot of the time - that can be down to differences in coaching... what roles they are given, etc. Who said anything about him getting quicker? You said he is "surely going to continue slowing down" - indicating that you believe that he has already started slowing down - and I disagreed. Nothing about him getting quicker... All true in the abstract... and all speculation in this instance. Jono Philips continues to impress me more and more as time goes on... he's got the hands, he's got the hockey brain (as exemplified by that assist to Ben Davies), he's got the leadership ability... and he certainly seems to still have the legs for it! I used to write him off as mainly a supporting player... but year on year he has impressed me more and more. I can only consider him to be a significant plus to the Sheffield roster. Getting back onto topic... I'd like to be wrong about Jackson Whistle, I really would. Maybe I've just not seen him when he's either been on form or had a good enough team in front of him... but he simply hasn't impressed much at all. Those who have seen him play more than I have (a few times each for Belfast, Sheffield and GB) will no doubt have a better idea of his potential... if what's been said by some is correct, then maybe he could start rising through the ranks given the proper support and the right amount of ice time (not too much, not too little). Although the suggestions that he may end up being better than Ben Bowns... that would be nice to see, but he's got a fair way to go before he gets there, I think. Would love to see it happen if he stays with us though. he has got the potential but he needs the ice time to grow, he isn’t a top team starter yet but certainly can be if progressed correctly.
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Post by andrew1972 on Jul 29, 2019 1:13:45 GMT
Been a while since I posted on here....
Regards Jono Phillips...last season was his best season for points output in 5 years. His best goal scoring season in the last 10. He’s not slowing down.
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Post by bobness on Jul 29, 2019 8:58:51 GMT
Been a while since I posted on here.... Regards Jono Phillips...last season was his best season for points output in 5 years. His best goal scoring season in the last 10. He’s not slowing down. Let's not let any actual facts get in the way of the "debate" on here, eh? Phillips is a complete heart and soul guy, and a heck of a player. Captain of Steelers and GB for 10 years. As you've said, last season was his best for a while, in terms of points, on what is generally considered to have been a pretty average Steelers team. That's a guy doing some heavy lifting right there, as opposed to one or two of our senior Brits, shall we say. You guys are lucky to have him, and I, for one, am jealous.
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Post by iginla on Jul 29, 2019 9:06:58 GMT
Been a while since I posted on here.... Regards Jono Phillips...last season was his best season for points output in 5 years. His best goal scoring season in the last 10. He’s not slowing down. Let's not let any actual facts get in the way of the "debate" on here, eh? Phillips is a complete heart and soul guy, and a heck of a player. Captain of Steelers and GB for 10 years. As you've said, last season was his best for a while, in terms of points, on what is generally considered to have been a pretty average Steelers team. That's a guy doing some heavy lifting right there, as opposed to one or two of our senior Brits, shall we say. You guys are lucky to have him, and I, for one, am jealous. Yep Johnathan Phillips might be 37 and not be the most skilled guy but he’s the player every team needs. He’s a leader and a fierce competitor the likes of which Nottingham hasn’t seen since Jordan Fox. I’d sign him tomorrow on a 3 year deal and make him the Panthers captain.
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Post by doug on Jul 29, 2019 10:22:44 GMT
I'm actually one of the minority who would have kept Whistle as a starter. On the basis that the consensus on Steeltalk is that we won't win anything this season, why not use to bring Whistle on for another year, possibly bringing him up to top standard? I don't like sharing netminding duties and I've never seen it work. Seems a waste of a good salary to me. Regarding Brits, Steelers have four good starters along with Shudra who looks like getting the regular fourth line start and Brown who, if played regularly, could be another Dowd. He really needs ice time though.
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