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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jul 27, 2019 12:55:18 GMT
I keep hearing this but why wouldn’t we at least challenge for the league? An arena team, GD has plenty of experience of the league, he knows the Cardiff setup, he has the budget. I’d be pretty disappointed if we finish bottom of the arena teams. I don’t see a reason to under achieve when other teams are rebuilding too. We don't have the quality of Brits that Sheffield have and we re signed two players who I would have never had back in a Panthers top, so I think we are going to be sitting mid table at best... If Farmer does end up back that might nudge us a little, otherwise I see the next couple of seasons as a rebuild. If the Panthers go into the traditional “Panthers November” there will only be zealots, night out specials and freebies left watching and I’m pretty sure NB understands that. Huge boost with Whistle allowing an extra import skater so I’m not seeing a Brit problem at all.
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Post by nightwish on Jul 27, 2019 18:25:39 GMT
It’s a very good signing IF Kevin Carr does a great job. But if Carr isn’t up to scratch that means Whistle will be in goal too often and he isn’t good enough to win a league title. In all honesty, do you think we will actually win the league??? This team needs to rebuild, so maybe we should play Whistle in 50% of the games and help him develop, this team will need a few seasons to bring on the Brits, so he could be a good part of a long term plan, especially when we have lost Lee and Farmer... No we won’t win the league - we need 3 seasons to even think competing with Belfast and Cardiff
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 27, 2019 18:40:42 GMT
In all honesty, do you think we will actually win the league??? This team needs to rebuild, so maybe we should play Whistle in 50% of the games and help him develop, this team will need a few seasons to bring on the Brits, so he could be a good part of a long term plan, especially when we have lost Lee and Farmer... No we won’t win the league - we need 3 seasons to even think competing with Belfast and Cardiff We don’t need 3 seasons really. We need to be spending the money that Sheffield and Cardiff spend, and if we already are then it looks like we are spending it completely wrong. (on paper of course) look at the team Sheffield has put together, it looks like they are right up there with the best teams in the league (on paper) so why shouldn’t we be doing that to rebuild. If it’s a coach/DOH that is brand new to the league then give them 2 seasons to figure it out and if they can’t then move on from them.
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Post by iginla on Jul 27, 2019 19:00:30 GMT
No we won’t win the league - we need 3 seasons to even think competing with Belfast and Cardiff We don’t need 3 seasons really. We need to be spending the money that Sheffield and Cardiff spend, and if we already are then it looks like we are spending it completely wrong. (on paper of course) look at the team Sheffield has put together, it looks like they are right up there with the best teams in the league (on paper) so why should we be doing that to rebuild. If it’s a coach/DOH that is brand new to the league then give them 2 seasons to figure it out and if they can’t then move on from them. I agree. But Aaron Fox is new to the league yet he’s not looking like having any trouble figuring it out or wasting time rebuilding. And at Panthers it seems a waste of time trying to rebuild over two or three years because no imports seem to want to hang around that long so you just keep starting from scratch every year.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 27, 2019 19:06:43 GMT
We don’t need 3 seasons really. We need to be spending the money that Sheffield and Cardiff spend, and if we already are then it looks like we are spending it completely wrong. (on paper of course) look at the team Sheffield has put together, it looks like they are right up there with the best teams in the league (on paper) so why should we be doing that to rebuild. If it’s a coach/DOH that is brand new to the league then give them 2 seasons to figure it out and if they can’t then move on from them. I agree. But Aaron Fox is new to the league yet he’s not looking like having any trouble figuring it out or wasting time rebuilding. And at Panthers it seems s a waste of time trying to rebuild over two or three years because no imports seem to want to hang around that long so you just keep starting from scratch every year. We have to get players to stick around to build a core, unfortunately it seems like most aren’t interested in returning though.
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Post by Joe on Jul 27, 2019 19:12:43 GMT
I agree. But Aaron Fox is new to the league yet he’s not looking like having any trouble figuring it out or wasting time rebuilding. And at Panthers it seems s a waste of time trying to rebuild over two or three years because no imports seem to want to hang around that long so you just keep starting from scratch every year. We have to get players to stick around to build a core, unfortunately it seems like most aren’t interested in returning though. who would you want to return over the past couple of years though? Cardiff didn’t build a core of bang average players, they retain their top quality players and upgrade where needed
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Post by pantherlee on Jul 27, 2019 19:13:00 GMT
It shouldn't take that long to rebuild. Look at Cardiff. they went from absolute rock bottom to winning the league in three seasons and had a second and third before that and had by far a worst starting point we have now. I like what we have so far. We have bunch of guys that look capable of delivering right away but of good age the POTENTIAL for some of them to stay and make Nottingham a long term home. I don't see why players like Loiseau, Golovkovs, Deutsch, Fick or Herr can't replicate the likes of Martin, Haddad, Morisette, Fournier, Louis if they are successful here. But to challenge for the league this season the last few signings need to be of similar standing to the players Clan and Steelers have just brought in to add that bit of stardust to roster which i think it needs. If the rest are similar to what we have already signed then i can see us being competitive but lacking the firepower to match Devils, Giants and Steelers. These last signings might be pivotal
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Post by dill1015 on Jul 27, 2019 20:42:37 GMT
It shouldn't take that long to rebuild. Look at Cardiff. they went from absolute rock bottom to winning the league in three seasons and had a second and third before that and had by far a worst starting point we have now. I like what we have so far. We have bunch of guys that look capable of delivering right away but of good age the POTENTIAL for some of them to stay and make Nottingham a long term home. I don't see why players like Loiseau, Golovkovs, Deutsch, Fick or Herr can't replicate the likes of Martin, Haddad, Morisette, Fournier, Louis if they are successful here. But to challenge for the league this season the last few signings need to be of similar standing to the players Clan and Steelers have just brought in to add that bit of stardust to roster which i think it needs. If the rest are similar to what we have already signed then i can see us being competitive but lacking the firepower to match Devils, Giants and Steelers. These last signings might be pivotal The Devils formula works, but lets not forget that they did get lucky aswell. They totally rebuilt a team in a silly short space of time and it just worked. They didnt sign any duds and it just sort of clicked. From that point on they have retained thier best players. This is something Panthers are cronically bad at. Just go back and see how many seasons we re-signed our top goal scorer.
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Post by iginla on Jul 27, 2019 20:59:30 GMT
We have to get players to stick around to build a core, unfortunately it seems like most aren’t interested in returning though. who would you want to return over the past couple of years though? Cardiff didn’t build a core of bang average players, they retain their top quality players and upgrade where needed Would hardly want any players to return because there’s been very little quality worth keeping. But Panthers need to seriously start looking at what they’re doing wrong on and particularly off the ice and start asking big questions as to why players aren’t hanging around,otherwise this yearly merry go round of failure will never stop.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 27, 2019 22:48:57 GMT
We have to get players to stick around to build a core, unfortunately it seems like most aren’t interested in returning though. who would you want to return over the past couple of years though? Cardiff didn’t build a core of bang average players, they retain their top quality players and upgrade where needed Exactly like I said I’m my other post. We need to spend the money Cardiff and Sheffield do to bring in them players, if we already are they need to give their head a wobble and figure out how to sign good players.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 27, 2019 22:52:06 GMT
It shouldn't take that long to rebuild. Look at Cardiff. they went from absolute rock bottom to winning the league in three seasons and had a second and third before that and had by far a worst starting point we have now. I like what we have so far. We have bunch of guys that look capable of delivering right away but of good age the POTENTIAL for some of them to stay and make Nottingham a long term home. I don't see why players like Loiseau, Golovkovs, Deutsch, Fick or Herr can't replicate the likes of Martin, Haddad, Morisette, Fournier, Louis if they are successful here. But to challenge for the league this season the last few signings need to be of similar standing to the players Clan and Steelers have just brought in to add that bit of stardust to roster which i think it needs. If the rest are similar to what we have already signed then i can see us being competitive but lacking the firepower to match Devils, Giants and Steelers. These last signings might be pivotal The Devils formula works, but lets not forget that they did get lucky aswell. They totally rebuilt a team in a silly short space of time and it just worked. They didnt sign any duds and it just sort of clicked. From that point on they have retained thier best players. This is something Panthers are cronically bad at. Just go back and see how many seasons we re-signed our top goal scorer. That’s because they know what their doing. They always bring in stars because they know what their looking for straight away and scout for the exact player they want and it works for them. Either we aren’t scouting hard enough or not having enough budget to spend along side Sheffield and Cardiff.
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Post by shinobi on Jul 28, 2019 9:01:01 GMT
The Devils formula works, but lets not forget that they did get lucky aswell. They totally rebuilt a team in a silly short space of time and it just worked. They didnt sign any duds and it just sort of clicked. From that point on they have retained thier best players. This is something Panthers are cronically bad at. Just go back and see how many seasons we re-signed our top goal scorer. That’s because they know what their doing. They always bring in stars because they know what their looking for straight away and scout for the exact player they want and it works for them. Either we aren’t scouting hard enough or not having enough budget to spend along side Sheffield and Cardiff. You mean signing players from Brampton isn’t a lock on being competitive 🤪🤪🤪 Back on topic, I like the addition of Whistle & him and Carr look a stable unit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 9:29:49 GMT
Very rarely Panthers will re sign players as they dont give players rises if they have performed well hense why they end up leaving
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 28, 2019 9:39:53 GMT
Very rarely Panthers will re sign players as they dont give players rises if they have performed well hense why they end up leaving I presume you mean players who are out of contract here & not yr 2 of a contract? If yes to above then the wording 'performed well' becomes paramount. Taking Jeff Brown as an example, he was a good player I think we all agreed & was offered a better deal than his previous contract by Panthers but had a better offer from/chose to go to France.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 9:46:54 GMT
Yes players who are UFA
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Post by iginla on Jul 28, 2019 10:19:21 GMT
Very rarely Panthers will re sign players as they dont give players rises if they have performed well hense why they end up leaving I presume you mean players who are out of contract here & not yr 2 of a contract? If yes to above then the wording 'performed well' becomes paramount. Taking Jeff Brown as an example, he was a good player I think we all agreed & was offered a better deal than his previous contract by Panthers but had a better offer from/chose to go to France. Somebody like Jeff Brown is a prime example yes. When he first came he was probably not very expensive on “mates rates” but he did very well was worth keeping and maybe deserved a raise. The sort of player who perhaps thought why am I playing for this money when I can see other less effective teammates are earning more. However just like their attitude towards their fans, Panthers take is “there are plenty of others out there to replace him” so rather than pay a few quid more they let him go and start the rebuilding again. It’s a bad attitude and it’s no wonder the better players don’t hang around long in Nottingham.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 28, 2019 10:26:43 GMT
I presume you mean players who are out of contract here & not yr 2 of a contract? If yes to above then the wording 'performed well' becomes paramount. Taking Jeff Brown as an example, he was a good player I think we all agreed & was offered a better deal than his previous contract by Panthers but had a better offer from/chose to go to France. Somebody like Jeff Brown is a prime example yes. When he first came he was probably not very expensive on “mates rates” but he did very well was worth keeping and maybe deserved a raise. The sort of player who perhaps thought why am I playing for this money when I can see other less effective teammates are earning more. However just like their attitude towards their fans, Panthers take is “there are plenty of others out there to replace him” so rather than pay a few quid more they let him go and start the rebuilding again. It’s a bad attitude and it’s no wonder the better players don’t hang around long in Nottingham. I guess you missed the part where I said Brown was offered a better deal, which he was. Not whether that deal was competitive or not is the question.... But he was offered a better deal.
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Post by doug on Jul 28, 2019 10:28:27 GMT
You've got a good prospect there who is, relative to Bowns at the same age, possibly more advanced. If his progress remains on a par he will be at least as good. Steelers foot shooting again in my opinion!
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Post by shinobi on Jul 28, 2019 13:18:40 GMT
You've got a good prospect there who is, relative to Bowns at the same age, possibly more advanced. If his progress remains on a par he will be at least as good. Steelers foot shooting again in my opinion! It’s interesting you say that, as I’ve seen a lot of negative remarks about him since he signed for Nottingham (from some of your fellow fans.) I’m pleased he’s joined.
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Post by Joe on Jul 28, 2019 13:23:18 GMT
You've got a good prospect there who is, relative to Bowns at the same age, possibly more advanced. If his progress remains on a par he will be at least as good. Steelers foot shooting again in my opinion! It’s interesting you say that, as I’ve seen a lot of negative remarks about him since he signed for Nottingham (from some of your fellow fans.) I’m pleased he’s joined. that’s because they are short sighted
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jul 28, 2019 13:59:45 GMT
You've got a good prospect there who is, relative to Bowns at the same age, possibly more advanced. If his progress remains on a par he will be at least as good. Steelers foot shooting again in my opinion! He is an excellent prospect but needs ice time like Bowns got at Hull. I hope he isn’t wasted.
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Post by PantherB on Jul 28, 2019 14:05:28 GMT
I find it hilarious that Steelers fans are bringing up the times we said Whistle was dreadful etc. Those halfwits clearly don't understand that he isn't going to be a starter with us, and might not even be sharing the starts equally. I'd be surprised if Whistle starts more than 25 games over the season. But hey, I guess they need something to satisfy their simple mentality.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 28, 2019 14:08:45 GMT
I find it hilarious that Steelers fans are bringing up the times we said Whistle was dreadful etc. Those halfwits clearly don't understand that he isn't going to be a starter with us, and might not even be sharing the starts equally. I'd be surprised if Whistle starts more than 25 games over the season. But hey, I guess they need something to satisfy their simple mentality. their team is so good I don't think they care, they just wanna wind us up.
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Post by PantherB on Jul 28, 2019 14:19:09 GMT
I find it hilarious that Steelers fans are bringing up the times we said Whistle was dreadful etc. Those halfwits clearly don't understand that he isn't going to be a starter with us, and might not even be sharing the starts equally. I'd be surprised if Whistle starts more than 25 games over the season. But hey, I guess they need something to satisfy their simple mentality. their team is so good I don't think they care, they just wanna wind us up. Fingers crossed it goes catastrophically wrong for them. I feel like they're throwing everything at this season so whilst they may be good this season, it wouldn't surprise me if they came back down to earth in a couple of years. I hope that their 2 import goaltenders with no apparent interest in a British backup, also bites them on the rear, and their relatively old defence get worn out early on.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 28, 2019 14:20:11 GMT
their team is so good I don't think they care, they just wanna wind us up. Fingers crossed it goes catastrophically wrong for them. I feel like they're throwing everything at this season so whilst they may be good this season, it wouldn't surprise me if they came back down to earth in a couple of years. I hope that their 2 import goaltenders with no apparent interest in a British backup, also bites them on the rear, and their relatively old defence get worn out early on. hopefully but surely they'd know by now not to blow their load on one season or 2.
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