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Post by Shaggy on Jan 27, 2019 16:36:43 GMT
Not that conclusively if half the forum sees it differently As do two former players as iginla says - one from each team. And opinion on The Inferno (Cardiff Devils' forum) is also divided.
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 27, 2019 16:51:21 GMT
Thing is it's a crap camera angle. The camera behind the goal would be a good one to show the initial contact point. Unfortunately they only ever seem to use it for goals and nothing else.
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Post by iginla on Jan 27, 2019 17:40:38 GMT
Thing is it's a crap camera angle. The camera behind the goal would be a good one to show the initial contact point. Unfortunately they only ever seem to use it for goals and nothing else. Yep so unless they’ve got a side on view from about block 17 anybody making a decision on the point of contact will be guessing. By that virtue I don’t see how Rissling can receive a ban on somebody’s guess. Still stick by the fact that if It was head contact then Mosey’s head would have gone backwards towards the blue line and it didn’t it went forwards towards the goal. How could his head carry on going forwards in the direction of his momentum if Rissling’s shoulder was in the way ?
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Post by jk on Jan 27, 2019 18:30:23 GMT
On Twitter, Mosey has tweeted that he got his black eye due to the shoulder hitting him in the face, knocking him out.
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Post by iginla on Jan 27, 2019 18:50:22 GMT
On Twitter, Mosey has tweeted that he got his black eye due to the shoulder hitting him in the face, knocking him out. Well that’s a right load of crap,because there’s no way in this world it was shoulder to eye ! 😂😂🤣🤣
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Post by John Casey on Jan 27, 2019 18:53:00 GMT
If DOPS does exist at the minute, has the timeframe for any suspensions passed due to the next round of matches being played
Or is it a case seeing as The Panthers aren't playing, then any suspensions can still happen
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 18:54:15 GMT
Well as we know this is Kelmans league I'm still expecting him to have the last laugh unfortunately
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 27, 2019 18:57:35 GMT
On Twitter, Mosey has tweeted that he got his black eye due to the shoulder hitting him in the face, knocking him out. Clearly our fault for signing Animal from the Legion of Doom to play left D. Ban him, now.
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Post by iginla on Jan 27, 2019 18:57:43 GMT
You know what’s coming... It will be the old “Mosey put himself in a vulnerable position” but......we’ve guessed and Rissling can have a 3 game ban ! 🙄
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 27, 2019 19:00:10 GMT
It's not really in Cardiff's best interest to have Rissling banned given 2 of our next 4 fixtures....
Might well have a bearing on any report to DOPS by them.
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Post by iginla on Jan 27, 2019 19:09:05 GMT
It's not really in Cardiff's best interest to have Rissling banned given 2 of our next 4 fixtures.... Might well have a bearing on any report to DOPS by them. Good thinking Jord 👍 Besides Kelman and Moran are as thick as thieves.....they just don’t want you to know it ! 😉
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Post by jk on Jan 27, 2019 19:10:44 GMT
On Twitter, Mosey has tweeted that he got his black eye due to the shoulder hitting him in the face, knocking him out. Clearly our fault for signing Animal from the Legion of Doom to play left D. Ban him, now. Blimey, you are defensive !! I repeated what was on Twitter. Surely his view is far more important than either teams fans ?
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Post by No 29 on Jan 27, 2019 19:15:19 GMT
DOPs if its Hicks now were at the game last night.
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Post by iginla on Jan 27, 2019 19:16:15 GMT
Clearly our fault for signing Animal from the Legion of Doom to play left D. Ban him, now. Blimey, you are defensive !! I repeated what was on Twitter. Surely his view is far more important than either teams fans ? I’d be surprised he can remember what hit him where having been supposedly clattered by a shoulder to the head ! 🤔
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 27, 2019 19:35:32 GMT
Clearly our fault for signing Animal from the Legion of Doom to play left D. Ban him, now. Blimey, you are defensive !! I repeated what was on Twitter. Surely his view is far more important than either teams fans ? Mosey's view? Something like this - Ice, ice, puck, ice...... tinpot Jumbotron........... Panthers medical room ceiling.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 27, 2019 19:37:43 GMT
Yep so unless they’ve got a side on view from about block 17 anybody making a decision on the point of contact will be guessing. And yet throughout this game thread you are dead sure it wasn't his head?
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Post by Yotes on Jan 27, 2019 19:40:02 GMT
If DOPS does exist at the minute, has the timeframe for any suspensions passed due to the next round of matches being played Or is it a case seeing as The Panthers aren't playing, then any suspensions can still happen It would be before our next game, so a midweek decision you would expect. I don't think DOPS are still with us tbh, and as said it may be in Cardiff interests that he can play in Belfast next Sunday.
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Post by wgray on Jan 27, 2019 19:42:42 GMT
The whole incident is just unfortunate. Mosey was driving towards the front with speed, Riss HAD to make a move to stop him, he did the right thing and I’d expect him to do that every single time. Is Rissling not supposed to check Mosey because he’s smaller than him and there could be consequences?
He’s significantly taller than Mosey, IF there shoulders were level when he made the hit of course Rissling is going to rise after the hit because he’s coming back to an upright stance. To me it didn’t look like he drove up to hit the head though.
The accusation from Mosey that the black eye was caused by the shoulder isn’t proof that it was a check to the head, Mosey’s head jolted forward in the video and could have then hit his shoulder or it could have been caused when his face hit the floor.
I know the Devils fans are upset and probably ashamed with some of there players but their accusations that Riss is a head hunter are pathetic, this is one incident. I’ve seen a lot of them baying for blood if we play them again, Rissling is one tough bloke and none of their tough guys were willing to step up last night but if we do face them I’ve no doubt he’ll answer the bell.
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 27, 2019 20:01:46 GMT
Well said, wgray...
If we're talking about bad hits in Cardiff/Nottingham games, wasn't it Rissling that was checked from behind - drilled right in the numbers - by a Cardiff player in November? The same game that Cardiff's Ben Blood made that illegal hit on Henderson that had him injured for 2 months?
Some Cardiff fans need to wind their necks in...
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Post by PantherB on Jan 27, 2019 20:03:18 GMT
Mosey's tweet is stupid. Says he was out cold before he hit the ice yet he can accurately state exactly what caused his injuries.. Funny that. His head bounced off the ice in quite a bad way, but says all of his injuries were caused by Rissling's shoulder.. Sure!
I like Mosey but I feel he's really butthurt about this. He got lit up as a result of his own lack of awareness, he's not dead and he will play again soon I'm sure.
I saw a tweet from Panthers sponsor/visor supplier, IceOptix stating Rissling has history for intentionally trying to injure players and they can't wait to see what suspension he gets. If there's any dealings still going between Panthers and them I'd love to see Panthers tell them to stick it.
Cardiff's response to the hit was embarrassing, Ulmer having to be the one to drop the gloves is just ridiculous and if I was Mosey I'd ask his linemates where they were and their so called tough players where their balls were. Ulmer got dummied, the linesmen flopped at ending the scrap and Rissling gave Ulmer a couple to the back of the head for good measure. Now, maybe it's not nice to see him do that but if a guy instigates a fight with me and the linesmen don't separate when appropriate, I'm not bowing out until either I or the other guy hits the floor.
It was a huge hit, borderline on legal/illegal for me as of the two angles I've seen one shows it shoulder to chest/shoulder and the other looks more head/neck, but gut feeling is the principle point of contact is the chest/shoulder. Rissling has a tendency to make guys pay if they're skating through open ice with their head down, Mosey was legal to be hit and had his head down. The blindside issue is irrelevant in my opinion, blindside hits aren't illegal. Frowned upon but not illegal. I've liked Rissling all season and felt he needed to lose Tetlow as his D partner to shine brighter, he's clearly tough as nails and willing to make big hits, I hope he returns next season.
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Post by iginla on Jan 27, 2019 20:12:35 GMT
Yep so unless they’ve got a side on view from about block 17 anybody making a decision on the point of contact will be guessing. And yet throughout this game thread you are dead sure it wasn't his head? I was and I still am. Absolutely 100% sure it wasn’t his head and unless I see a slow mo side on close up view from the EIHL super duper technologically advanced hi tech camera I will remain believing it wasn’t to the head. Think you’re reading something in my post that isn’t there. 🤔
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Post by Yotes on Jan 27, 2019 20:17:47 GMT
I'm taking your post to mean what it says. You weren't in block 17, you haven't seen an angle from there, so by your own comment you are guessing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 20:18:44 GMT
And this is from a set of fans who's team once employed Brad Voth.. shall we list all the illegal hits he threw? But I have bed soon as I'm up early
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 20:20:59 GMT
Mosey's tweet is stupid. Says he was out cold before he hit the ice yet he can accurately state exactly what caused his injuries.. Funny that. His head bounced off the ice in quite a bad way, but says all of his injuries were caused by Rissling's shoulder.. Sure! I like Mosey but I feel he's really butthurt about this. He got lit up as a result of his own lack of awareness, he's not dead and he will play again soon I'm sure. I saw a tweet from Panthers sponsor/visor supplier, IceOptix stating Rissling has history for intentionally trying to injure players and they can't wait to see what suspension he gets. If there's any dealings still going between Panthers and them I'd love to see Panthers tell them to stick it. Cardiff's response to the hit was embarrassing, Ulmer having to be the one to drop the gloves is just ridiculous and if I was Mosey I'd ask his linemates where they were and their so called tough players where their balls were. Ulmer got dummied, the linesmen flopped at ending the scrap and Rissling gave Ulmer a couple to the back of the head for good measure. Now, maybe it's not nice to see him do that but if a guy instigates a fight with me and the linesmen don't separate when appropriate, I'm not bowing out until either I or the other guy hits the floor. It was a huge hit, borderline on legal/illegal for me as of the two angles I've seen one shows it shoulder to chest/shoulder and the other looks more head/neck, but gut feeling is the principle point of contact is the chest/shoulder. Rissling has a tendency to make guys pay if they're skating through open ice with their head down, Mosey was legal to be hit and had his head down. The blindside issue is irrelevant in my opinion, blindside hits aren't illegal. Frowned upon but not illegal. I've liked Rissling all season and felt he needed to lose Tetlow as his D partner to shine brighter, he's clearly tough as nails and willing to make big hits, I hope he returns next season. Agree I hope Rissling is back. I doubt we ll see any attempted retribution now unless it's from grandad Ulmer again as no new heavyweight next year won t do it as he's wasn't there at the scene of the 'crime'
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Post by iginla on Jan 27, 2019 20:23:32 GMT
I'm taking your post to mean what it says. You weren't in block 17, you haven't seen an angle from there, so by your own comment you are guessing. We’re all guessing and giving our opinion. What I’m saying is that if there is no better evidence and more revealing camera angle and Rissling gets banned,then whoever made the decision to award a ban was guessing.
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