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Post by Yotes on Jan 27, 2019 21:04:01 GMT
They'll be making a decision based on whatever evidence they've got, same as you have. Presumably more than one of them.
Not that they still exist.
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Post by iginla on Jan 27, 2019 21:41:39 GMT
They'll be making a decision based on whatever evidence they've got, same as you have. Presumably more than one of them. Not that they still exist. Then Rissling shouldn’t get a ban,because the view we’ve got is inconclusive and open to individual opinion.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jan 27, 2019 23:08:46 GMT
IT'S NOT EVEN A HIT!!!!! Rissling skates across to defend and Mosey hit him! If that gets a ban then fudge the EIHL. it definitely was a hit. Rissling drives into mosey for sure. The thing is to me it looks clean. I can see how it looks dirty though with the helmet and stuff but you can just let someone cut into the middle of the ice and have a golden scoring opportunity. I think the way mosey hits his head on the ice makes the injury a lot worse than the hit it’s self.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 27, 2019 23:12:28 GMT
They'll be making a decision based on whatever evidence they've got, same as you have. Presumably more than one of them. Not that they still exist. Then Rissling shouldn’t get a ban,because the view we’ve got is inconclusive and open to individual opinion. It's their job to come up with the official opinion, based on what evidence they have. There's been plenty of instances where they make a decision based on less than perfect footage, which you'll rarely have in our 1 or 2 camera league.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jan 27, 2019 23:13:20 GMT
Mosey is pretty dumb putting himself in a vulnerable position Of all the dumbass comments I have read from both sets of fans , this has to be an absolute winner !! I am truly gobsmacked. its not actually a stupid comment at all. Everyone knows that coming up against a big set of defencemen you need to be careful doing risky things. If you think u can just cut through to the middle of the ice with no consequence that’s that’s mental.
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Post by bbw on Jan 27, 2019 23:56:39 GMT
I've watched the replay that Panthers twitter put out tonight of the Garnett save from the camera behind the goal.That camera should show the point of contact quite clearly. Will be interesting to see which of us have called it right.
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Post by bbw on Jan 28, 2019 0:08:47 GMT
Clip on Twitter shows a couple of yards either side of the net. Mosey was hit just outside the line of the post.With Garnett in position for a save between the pipes it should pick the hit up just fine.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 28, 2019 0:18:17 GMT
Mysteriously that footage has gone missing apparently. Gremlins in the system I believe. Ah well eh?
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Post by cjones on Jan 28, 2019 7:11:19 GMT
Well we’ve got Ex Panther Brock Wilson saying it is a hit to the head and ex Devil Max Birbraer saying it wasn’t a hit to the head. So two ex players can’t agree. 🤔 Make of that what you will but I agree with Max, initial contact is high chest/shoulder then Mosey’s head follows through over Risslings shoulder. Max was looking at original footage. I shared the slow mo close up and he changed his mind
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Post by cjones on Jan 28, 2019 7:14:25 GMT
Thing is it's a crap camera angle. The camera behind the goal would be a good one to show the initial contact point. Unfortunately they only ever seem to use it for goals and nothing else. Yep so unless they’ve got a side on view from about block 17 anybody making a decision on the point of contact will be guessing. By that virtue I don’t see how Rissling can receive a ban on somebody’s guess. Still stick by the fact that if It was head contact then Mosey’s head would have gone backwards towards the blue line and it didn’t it went forwards towards the goal. How could his head carry on going forwards in the direction of his momentum if Rissling’s shoulder was in the way ? Slow mo shows head recoiling backwards I’m guessing everyone has now seen Mosey’s tweet? Pretty conclusive
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Post by cjones on Jan 28, 2019 7:18:51 GMT
On Twitter, Mosey has tweeted that he got his black eye due to the shoulder hitting him in the face, knocking him out. Well that’s a right load of crap,because there’s no way in this world it was shoulder to eye ! 😂😂🤣🤣 So the player is now lying?
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Post by cjones on Jan 28, 2019 7:49:08 GMT
Mosey's tweet is stupid. Says he was out cold before he hit the ice yet he can accurately state exactly what caused his injuries.. Funny that. His head bounced off the ice in quite a bad way, but says all of his injuries were caused by Rissling's shoulder.. Sure! I like Mosey but I feel he's really butthurt about this. He got lit up as a result of his own lack of awareness, he's not dead and he will play again soon I'm sure. I saw a tweet from Panthers sponsor/visor supplier, IceOptix stating Rissling has history for intentionally trying to injure players and they can't wait to see what suspension he gets. If there's any dealings still going between Panthers and them I'd love to see Panthers tell them to stick it. Cardiff's response to the hit was embarrassing, Ulmer having to be the one to drop the gloves is just ridiculous and if I was Mosey I'd ask his linemates where they were and their so called tough players where their balls were. Ulmer got dummied, the linesmen flopped at ending the scrap and Rissling gave Ulmer a couple to the back of the head for good measure. Now, maybe it's not nice to see him do that but if a guy instigates a fight with me and the linesmen don't separate when appropriate, I'm not bowing out until either I or the other guy hits the floor. It was a huge hit, borderline on legal/illegal for me as of the two angles I've seen one shows it shoulder to chest/shoulder and the other looks more head/neck, but gut feeling is the principle point of contact is the chest/shoulder. Rissling has a tendency to make guys pay if they're skating through open ice with their head down, Mosey was legal to be hit and had his head down. The blindside issue is irrelevant in my opinion, blindside hits aren't illegal. Frowned upon but not illegal. I've liked Rissling all season and felt he needed to lose Tetlow as his D partner to shine brighter, he's clearly tough as nails and willing to make big hits, I hope he returns next season. I don’t think it’s stupid? I think medically it is possible he can still remember up to the point of being knocked out and as that is the shoulder to the right of his face his tweet makes sense.
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Post by cjones on Jan 28, 2019 7:55:47 GMT
I'm taking your post to mean what it says. You weren't in block 17, you haven't seen an angle from there, so by your own comment you are guessing. We’re all guessing and giving our opinion. What I’m saying is that if there is no better evidence and more revealing camera angle and Rissling gets banned,then whoever made the decision to award a ban was guessing. Ex players, pros, on seeing the close up slow mo agree his head is hit. One, ex-Devil on seeing the new footage changing his mind, reluctantly. Not sure what other footage is required?
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Post by cjones on Jan 28, 2019 7:58:25 GMT
Mysteriously that footage has gone missing apparently. Gremlins in the system I believe. Ah well eh? Oops
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Post by pingchowchi on Jan 28, 2019 8:34:28 GMT
Well we’ve got Ex Panther Brock Wilson saying it is a hit to the head and ex Devil Max Birbraer saying it wasn’t a hit to the head. So two ex players can’t agree. 🤔 Make of that what you will but I agree with Max, initial contact is high chest/shoulder then Mosey’s head follows through over Risslings shoulder. Max was looking at original footage. I shared the slow mo close up and he changed his mind but he's still saying that the initial contact is shoulder to shoulder. If that is the case ( that the initial contact was shoulder to chest / shoulder) I'm not sure if the check would be classed as illegal.
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Post by bobness on Jan 28, 2019 9:15:23 GMT
The relevant rule is reproduced below. It all depends on whether the check is "to the head or neck". There is no "principal point of contact" rule, that I can see. If it's deemed as a check to the head or neck, Rissling will almost certainly have a seat for a game or two. That's what DOPS have done for checks to the head this season. If not, part vi of the rule might be the most important here. Depends what you define as "direction".
TBH, the more I look at it, Louis's cross check to Hurtubise's face may well earn him a seat as well.
Who knows with DOPS, we've not heard sight or sound of them since Boxing Day.
RULE 124 – CHECKING TO THE HEAD OR NECK DEFINITION: There is no such thing as a clean check to the head. A player who directs a hit of any sort, with any part of his body or equipment, to the head or neck of an opposing player or drives or forces the head of an opposing player into the protective glass or boards. This rule supersedes all similar actions regarding hits to the head and neck except those related to fighting. i. A player who directs a hit to the head or neck of an opponent will be assessed a minor and misconduct penalty. ii. A player who directs a hit to the head or neck of an opponent may also be assessed either a major and automatic game-misconduct penalty or a match penalty.iii. A penalty for checking to the head or neck will be assessed if one of the following occurs when a player checks an opponent: 1. The player directs a hit with any part of his body or equipment to the head or neck of an opponent; 2. The player drives or forces the head of an opponent into the protective glass or boards by using any part of his upper body; 3. The player extends and directs any part of his upper body to make contact with the head or neck of an opponent; 4. The player extends his body upward or outward in order to reach his opponent or uses any part of the upper body to make contact with an opponent’s head or neck; 5. The player jumps (leaves his skates) to deliver a blow to the head or neck of an opponent. iv. If a skater skates with his head up, is in possession of the puck, and is expecting a bodycheck, an opponent does not have the right to hit him in the head or neck. v. If the primary force of a blow is initially to the body area and then contact slides up to the head or neck area, a penalty for checking to the head or neck will not be assessed. vi. A skater who delivers a bodycheck to an opponent who is skating with the puck with his head down in the direction of the skater, and does not use an upward motion or drive his body up into the opponent, will not be penalized for checking to the head or neck. vii. If a skater maintains his position in the normal course of game action as an opponent runs into him, the ensuing contact will not be considered checking to the head or neck unless conditions in Rules 124-iii or 124-iv are violated.
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Post by Gilly on Jan 28, 2019 9:17:11 GMT
just a side point, but whatever happened to the DOPS social media policy?
Bentivoglio tweeting "Disgrace" an hour after the game is 1. Within the supposed 2 hour after the game limit and 2. surely bringing the game into disrepute?
Clean hit for me, shoulder to chest. Unfortunate but a hit that had to be made.
What was more shocking than the hit itself was the reaction from the Devils players. Why should it take a 38 year old skilled veteran with little/no fighting skills to jump the bench to back his team-mate up. The others should be ashamed of themselves - Bentivoglio included as he was on the ice at the time...
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 28, 2019 9:32:10 GMT
Max was looking at original footage. I shared the slow mo close up and he changed his mind but he's still saying that the initial contact is shoulder to shoulder. If that is the case ( that the initial contact was shoulder to chest / shoulder) I'm not sure if the check would be classed as illegal. Exactly he hasn't changed his mind really. Just that secondary contact is to the head. In terms of a bad hit/illigal its all about initial contact. I don't even think it's a case of opinions here. It's obvious initial contact is shoulder. His head then makes contact after the initial impact. The first contact is not the head. There is a big difference and initial contact should play a bog part in any ban. Mosey is injured on the play and a head injury occured so I expect to see something, but it should be significantly less than an initial contact to the head. Good hit, unfortunate injury. Hope Even is o.k
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 28, 2019 9:39:53 GMT
The relevant rule is reproduced below. It all depends on whether the check is "to the head or neck". There is no "principal point of contact" rule, that I can see. If it's deemed as a check to the head or neck, Rissling will almost certainly have a seat for a game or two. That's what DOPS have done for checks to the head this season. If not, part vi of the rule might be the most important here. Depends what you define as "direction". TBH, the more I look at it, Louis's cross check to Hurtubise's face may well earn him a seat as well. Who knows with DOPS, we've not heard sight or sound of them since Boxing Day. RULE 124 – CHECKING TO THE HEAD OR NECK DEFINITION: There is no such thing as a clean check to the head. A player who directs a hit of any sort, with any part of his body or equipment, to the head or neck of an opposing player or drives or forces the head of an opposing player into the protective glass or boards. This rule supersedes all similar actions regarding hits to the head and neck except those related to fighting. i. A player who directs a hit to the head or neck of an opponent will be assessed a minor and misconduct penalty. ii. A player who directs a hit to the head or neck of an opponent may also be assessed either a major and automatic game-misconduct penalty or a match penalty.iii. A penalty for checking to the head or neck will be assessed if one of the following occurs when a player checks an opponent: 1. The player directs a hit with any part of his body or equipment to the head or neck of an opponent; 2. The player drives or forces the head of an opponent into the protective glass or boards by using any part of his upper body; 3. The player extends and directs any part of his upper body to make contact with the head or neck of an opponent; 4. The player extends his body upward or outward in order to reach his opponent or uses any part of the upper body to make contact with an opponent’s head or neck; 5. The player jumps (leaves his skates) to deliver a blow to the head or neck of an opponent. iv. If a skater skates with his head up, is in possession of the puck, and is expecting a bodycheck, an opponent does not have the right to hit him in the head or neck. v. If the primary force of a blow is initially to the body area and then contact slides up to the head or neck area, a penalty for checking to the head or neck will not be assessed. vi. A skater who delivers a bodycheck to an opponent who is skating with the puck with his head down in the direction of the skater, and does not use an upward motion or drive his body up into the opponent, will not be penalized for checking to the head or neck. vii. If a skater maintains his position in the normal course of game action as an opponent runs into him, the ensuing contact will not be considered checking to the head or neck unless conditions in Rules 124-iii or 124-iv are violated. Does part v. not cover principal point of contact?
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Post by iginla on Jan 28, 2019 9:44:51 GMT
Well we’ve got Ex Panther Brock Wilson saying it is a hit to the head and ex Devil Max Birbraer saying it wasn’t a hit to the head. So two ex players can’t agree. 🤔 Make of that what you will but I agree with Max, initial contact is high chest/shoulder then Mosey’s head follows through over Risslings shoulder. Max was looking at original footage. I shared the slow mo close up and he changed his mind Max hasn’t changed his mind,he’s said exactly what I’ve said. That initial contact was chest/shoulder and this throws Moseys head forwards over Risslings shoulder. This is basically just what would happen in a head on car crash where your chest hits the seatbelt and your head gets thrown forward by momentum to hit whatever is in the way.
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Post by PantherB on Jan 28, 2019 9:45:16 GMT
I really cannot wait to see if there's any DoPS.
The scenes if there is a review and Rissling gets no further action will be immense. Christ, I hope he continues to light people up all season.
Dread to think how today's fans would cope watching hockey 15-20 years ago.
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Post by iginla on Jan 28, 2019 9:54:00 GMT
I really cannot wait to see if there's any DoPS. The scenes if there is a review and Rissling gets no further action will be immense. Christ, I hope he continues to light people up all season. Dread to think how today's fans would cope watching hockey 15-20 years ago. Indeed. If that hit had been a head shot Mosey wouldn’t have been skating off he’d have been on a stretcher. Bet Rissling gets banned just because Mosey was injured but that’s plain wrong. What next ban a player because he accidentally fell on somebody and injured him ? This games gone soft !
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 28, 2019 10:11:48 GMT
To me Rissling's hit @blaze was worse than this one. He levelled that dude totally. Venus wasn't it?
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Post by iginla on Jan 28, 2019 10:30:49 GMT
To me Rissling's hit @blaze was worse than this one. He levelled that dude totally. Venus wasn't it? Yup
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 28, 2019 10:37:05 GMT
To me Rissling's hit @blaze was worse than this one. He levelled that dude totally. Venus wasn't it? Yes, a beautiful hit.
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