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Post by cjones on Sept 9, 2018 6:10:25 GMT
Yes, need to beat Vaxjo home and away I think to finish 3rd. Easy eh?
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Post by Jord v4 on Sept 9, 2018 9:39:20 GMT
Yes, need to beat Vaxjo home and away I think to finish 3rd. Easy eh? Sounds it, you'll be fine I'm sure.
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Post by kievthegreat on Sept 9, 2018 10:10:47 GMT
Yes, need to beat Vaxjo home and away I think to finish 3rd. Easy eh? Just 1 win will help the Elite League rankings out. Currently ranked 11th for this years performance and the same overall. However a win in one of the last games means that if the Danish, Norwegians or Slovakians fail to pick up extra points the EIHL will move up the rankings and depending on how those results go, could get as high as 9th overall. www.championshockeyleague.com/en/rankingsPS. It's a bit convoluted the rankings, but the simplest description would be that nations are ranked on average points per game of all it's teams, with the top league getting 100 pts, 2nd getting 95, 3rd getting 90, etc...
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Post by cjones on Sept 9, 2018 12:48:08 GMT
Even though Vaxjo seem to be struggling this season they won’t underestimate us this season like last so my head says we won’t be doing EIHL a favour but my heart says maybe one win. Myers back makes us much better though he isn’t match fit yet. If we stay injury free for next 4 weeks then at least we might compete.
Bern fans were astonished at how good our level hockey has become.
I’ve seen a big difference in our compete levels this season compared to last - we have as many guilt edged chances as Salzburg and Bern. Last season we’d be chasing for most of the game when this season we had far more o-zone time.
We did however only play 2 forwards and a rotation for third line which cost us energy in 3rd period against Bern.
Still, I’m looking forward for the next trip.
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Sept 11, 2018 18:19:03 GMT
The EIHL doesn't have the "surprise" factor anymore thanks to our performances last season. Teams are coming in much better prepared. The fact that some clowns on here think Cardiff are not doing well just proves what muppets you are. But they've been saying that since we beat Hamburg in year 1. That was one of the reasons/excuses for Braehead & Sheffield. Last season we already had a CHL upset win under our belts and still went on the run we did. Europe knows about our league, and has done for a few years now, not just since Panthers 2017/2018, therefore the surprise factor has well and truly gone. They can hold their heads high in their effort and play, but fact of the matter is they're 0-4 with 2 games left against Vaxjo Lakers, a team who were runners up last season, so the chances of getting much out of this campaign is very slim. Cardiff would have wanted to build on last seasons efforts, where they won 2 games. Currently having 0 wins with 2 games left is a bad return, no matter how good they've played on the night.
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Post by kievthegreat on Sept 11, 2018 23:17:50 GMT
The EIHL doesn't have the "surprise" factor anymore thanks to our performances last season. Teams are coming in much better prepared. The fact that some clowns on here think Cardiff are not doing well just proves what muppets you are. But they've been saying that since we beat Hamburg in year 1. That was one of the reasons/excuses for Braehead & Sheffield. Last season we already had a CHL upset win under our belts and still went on the run we did. Europe knows about our league, and has done for a few years now, not just since Panthers 2017/2018, therefore the surprise factor has well and truly gone. They can hold their heads high in their effort and play, but fact of the matter is they're 0-4 with 2 games left against Vaxjo Lakers, a team who were runners up last season, so the chances of getting much out of this campaign is very slim. Cardiff would have wanted to build on last seasons efforts, where they won 2 games. Currently having 0 wins with 2 games left is a bad return, no matter how good they've played on the night. It was also 4 wins on the bounce last year, so you'd think the surprise factor would have gone after 2 or 3 wins on the bounce. Also worth remembering that none of our wins were in dead rubbers and we eliminated TPS Turku by beating them in a must win game after having won the previous 3 games. I'll happily admit we rode our luck in that one, but we surely didn't have a surprise factor!
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Post by cjones on Sept 12, 2018 5:53:38 GMT
The EIHL doesn't have the "surprise" factor anymore thanks to our performances last season. Teams are coming in much better prepared. The fact that some clowns on here think Cardiff are not doing well just proves what muppets you are. But they've been saying that since we beat Hamburg in year 1. That was one of the reasons/excuses for Braehead & Sheffield. Last season we already had a CHL upset win under our belts and still went on the run we did. Europe knows about our league, and has done for a few years now, not just since Panthers 2017/2018, therefore the surprise factor has well and truly gone. They can hold their heads high in their effort and play, but fact of the matter is they're 0-4 with 2 games left against Vaxjo Lakers, a team who were runners up last season, so the chances of getting much out of this campaign is very slim. Cardiff would have wanted to build on last seasons efforts, where they won 2 games. Currently having 0 wins with 2 games left is a bad return, no matter how good they've played on the night. I tend to agree, and it comes across in his post interviews that Lord is gutted and unhappy at having not played well for the 60 minutes in each of the games. He expected to win at least a couple this season. For those of us lucky enough to have seen the games we played last season watching us hanging on to the coat tails of these CHL teams as they dominated most of the games to now see us competing and no longer looking out of place has been amazing. However, it is results that count. We’ve won no games. Personally, I’m deflated. It does however whet the appetite even more and I’m desperate for us to 3peat so we can be back again next season.
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Post by Jord v4 on Sept 12, 2018 8:48:00 GMT
Would be interesting to hear the Cardiff posters what their view of Bowns is.
Sure he's a pretty good Brit keeper and frees an import slot but I see him as spectacular but inconsistent, capable of winning the battle but not the war. Your competition for the title should be much closer this season, you've almost had a 'free pass' to some extent (no fault of your own, you've raised the bar significantly).
Would a top import nettie be a better idea? I'm talking elite top, not 4th best budget top here.
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Post by wannabe2 on Sept 12, 2018 9:45:39 GMT
Would be interesting to hear the Cardiff posters what their view of Bowns is. Sure he's a pretty good Brit keeper and frees an import slot but I see him as spectacular but inconsistent, capable of winning the battle but not the war. Your competition for the title should be much closer this season, you've almost had a 'free pass' to some extent (no fault of your own, you've raised the bar significantly). Would a top import nettie be a better idea? I'm talking elite top, not 4th best budget top here. Okay the facts are that we have won the league twice in a row, won the challenge cup twice and lost a final, won the play offs, and lost a final,with the same person in the net, the same person that won a Gold medal with his country. Is Bownsy perfect, no way, if he was he wouldn’t be playing for Cardiff, does he have some bum games, he sure does, has he stood on his head time and again, he sure has. Does Ben Bowns wear our shirt with pride and passion, he certainly does, is he happy to be here, he most certainly is. We are extremely lucky to have a very successful coach in Andrew Lord, a coach that wants and needs the best people around him player wise, he needs to be a winner, for various reasons, and this man chooses Bownsy to be his final man in defence, and if it’s good enough for Mr Lord, it most certainly has to be good enough for us armchair coaches. Why change a winning formula, if it ain’t broke. That’s my take anyway, it’s all a question of balance and it’s been pretty neat so far. Happy Hockey Days.
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Post by iginla on Sept 12, 2018 11:30:37 GMT
Would be interesting to hear the Cardiff posters what their view of Bowns is. Sure he's a pretty good Brit keeper and frees an import slot but I see him as spectacular but inconsistent, capable of winning the battle but not the war. Your competition for the title should be much closer this season, you've almost had a 'free pass' to some extent (no fault of your own, you've raised the bar significantly). Would a top import nettie be a better idea? I'm talking elite top, not 4th best budget top here. Okay the facts are that we have won the league twice in a row, won the challenge cup twice and lost a final, won the play offs, and lost a final,with the same person in the net, the same person that won a Gold medal with his country. Is Bownsy perfect, no way, if he was he wouldn’t be playing for Cardiff, does he have some bum games, he sure does, has he stood on his head time and again, he sure has. Does Ben Bowns wear our shirt with pride and passion, he certainly does, is he happy to be here, he most certainly is. We are extremely lucky to have a very successful coach in Andrew Lord, a coach that wants and needs the best people around him player wise, he needs to be a winner, for various reasons, and this man chooses Bownsy to be his final man in defence, and if it’s good enough for Mr Lord, it most certainly has to be good enough for us armchair coaches. Why change a winning formula, if it ain’t broke. That’s my take anyway, it’s all a question of balance and it’s been pretty neat so far. Happy Hockey Days. I wouldn’t disagree with most of what you say about Bowns with the domestic success of the Devils. But the hard fact is that if Cardiff want to take that next step to compete and beat these CHL big guns they need a top level goalie who’s better and more consistent than Bowns. Let’s face it,last year Panthers stole CHL wins largely on the back of two or three stellar performances from Garnett. Put Bowns in Panthers net last season and we wern’t winning four CHL games. Once Garnett underperformed later last year we struggled to win even EIHL games consistently which just shows the true value of a top goalie.
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Post by wannabe2 on Sept 12, 2018 11:46:47 GMT
But on one hand you had a goalie that won you some CHL games, and then underperformed in the league, so if you had a nettie that was top class all season, and could also win you Euro games, then he wouldn’t be here long. I have a different view to many, I enjoy watching the euro games, as it’s against different opposition, but don’t care about it much, I enjoy the Meat and Potato of our domestic league. Yes it is nice to occasionally beat better opposition from europe, but it’s the week in, week out games that float my boat. In our league Bownsy is just Dandy.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 9, 2019 19:43:28 GMT
Interesting to see two Red Bull owned teams contesting the CHL semi final last night, Munich v Salzburg. It's like when we play Clan in the Bermuda Cup, except much, much better.
Being reshown on FreeSports now (don't expect goals).
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Post by DonClaneone on Jan 9, 2019 22:38:52 GMT
I'd have thought there would have been something done to prevent that from happening, it almost did in the football with Leipzig & Salzburg but they were allowed to compete and much like the RB's of ice hockey Leipzig & Salzburg played each other in Europe as a part of Celtic's group in the Europa League.
Rugby Union does it differently though, a guy was involved with a top French team but also is involved with a German team, the German team were playing in a competition where if they won would put them in the 2nd tier European Rugby Challenge Cup, they won their game but got disqualified because of the dual ownership issue, which I thought was a shame as Germany are emerging in European Rugby.
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Post by ojlloyd on Jan 10, 2019 14:55:05 GMT
It’s always a bit dodgy, but you’d like to think that the organisations are evidentially separate enough to satisfy the CHL people that there won’t be any funny business.
As for the rugby that was patiently unfair - the Irish Union own all four of their provincial teams, the WRU own one of theirs and provide some funding to the other three. It was just a new person being refused entry to the old boy’s club.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 10, 2019 15:05:17 GMT
There was certainly no collusion between Munich and Salzburg, as the language picked up by the ref's mic while he was sorting out a scrum in the third would attest. On the other hand, we have lost a few Bermuda Cups recently, that's decidedly dodgy. We never lose to the Bravehearts
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