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Post by spik on Aug 8, 2018 22:12:03 GMT
So what I assume is that people here are saying that whilst we are doing good,it could be better considering all.
Costs just about the same for us to get in but did not someone say they were far happier in times gone by?
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Post by ant on Aug 8, 2018 22:31:50 GMT
In times gone by we were one of a handful of clubs with 2.5-3k rinks with only 3 imports. Other teams had better Brits so it was fair dinkum. I remember getting to Wembley for the first time and thinking WOW! We now have resources to blow everyone out of the water but just coast and coin it in. I preferred the 80s yes as that made some kinda sense. I loved the Slam year but it made what followed even more intolerable and I’m now putting that down to Ling as the difference maker. We should do better and we deserve better.
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Post by bobness on Aug 9, 2018 8:01:48 GMT
Nobody wants spending at all costs,but in Pantherland we should expect at least very good quality on the ice. But say 40 home games x average crowd 5800 x £13 average ticket = £3million income in tickets alone,before you even start with sponsorship and merchandise etc etc. Even if all the players were on £1000 a week,which they ain’t,that’s only £600k ish yearly player wages. So where the heck does the other £2.5million plus go ? Basing on your 40 home games let’s assume that Arena rental is £15k per game & includes training sessions. That comes to £600k. VAT at 20% takes care of another £600k (@ £3m annual income). players housing rental, office costs, staff wages etc, no idea what they will be but let’s estimate £300k. That leaves £1m, which is still a very healthy profit for Mr Black. Man, I'd love to get a hold of Panthers detailed accounts, just for half an hour... Just about the only vaguely exciting things you can tell from Aladdin's published accounts are there's £600k in "deferred income" at 30 June. I assume that is all season ticket sales. Do the maths for the number of season tickets. this rather neatly explains the £650k sitting in the bank account. apparently only 24 people are employed.
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Post by Big Popper on Aug 9, 2018 8:09:01 GMT
Ok, I love Hockey and the Panthers, full stop. But I love them a whole lot more when they're winning. Unfortunately that is not the view of the majority of the fans that attend on a Saturday night, for most just being there is enough, and while that is the case then Panthers management will be happy and they don't have much of a job to do. Someone mentioned that bar 650 the attendance couldn't get much better and has risen after the grand slam again why should panthers management bother, crowds are up and we don't have to try that hard on the ice. So a full house every game would possibly equate to about an extra £400K if as everyone assumes we're making a fine old profit then that £400K would be extra profit barring taxes etc. so that's one reason to do better and win more, fill the barn. So would filling the arena be the end of the rising profits? again mentioned earlier we are getting good value for our ticket price compared to 30 years ago, I for one would be happy to pay more for a better quality on the ice (sotto voce). And it doesn't need to stop there by fleecing the fans. This year it's been announced that we have the biggest sponsorship deal ever with the Nottingham Building Society, for all I know it could be 1 penny more than the last biggest given Gary's ability to spin trivial things. But these deals come about by businesses wanting to be associated with success, so my take on it is more success more sponsorship = more profit. Finally, If we win the league we get entry to the CHL. Surely this is a large revenue stream in itself. Last year we had 4 extra home games, that weren't on the season ticket. How much did we earn for getting through to the knock out stages, I'm sure there was prize money for this. Also the exposure of our sponsors to a Europe wide market must be worth something and would attract bigger sponsors if the success was continued. I've a feeling Cardiff have identified this and will continue to push for European success as well as domestic. If we fail to invest in a better team then we are always going to be nearly men and never achieve a better return both financially and competitively than we currently do. If Neil Black is happy with the steady profits that we continue to return then fair dues, there's bugger all I can do about it apart from sulk every time we get beat by Cardiff and Sheffield. But eventually the product will get stale and not even Gary will be able to continue selling stale bread to the punters.
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Post by iginla on Aug 9, 2018 8:36:43 GMT
Ok, I love Hockey and the Panthers, full stop. But I love them a whole lot more when they're winning. Unfortunately that is not the view of the majority of the fans that attend on a Saturday night, for most just being there is enough, and while that is the case then Panthers management will be happy and they don't have much of a job to do. Someone mentioned that bar 650 the attendance couldn't get much better and has risen after the grand slam again why should panthers management bother, crowds are up and we don't have to try that hard on the ice. So a full house every game would possibly equate to about an extra £400K if as everyone assumes we're making a fine old profit then that £400K would be extra profit barring taxes etc. so that's one reason to do better and win more, fill the barn. So would filling the arena be the end of the rising profits? again mentioned earlier we are getting good value for our ticket price compared to 30 years ago, I for one would be happy to pay more for a better quality on the ice (sotto voce). And it doesn't need to stop there by fleecing the fans. This year it's been announced that we have the biggest sponsorship deal ever with the Nottingham Building Society, for all I know it could be 1 penny more than the last biggest given Gary's ability to spin trivial things. But these deals come about by businesses wanting to be associated with success, so my take on it is more success more sponsorship = more profit. Finally, If we win the league we get entry to the CHL. Surely this is a large revenue stream in itself. Last year we had 4 extra home games, that weren't on the season ticket. How much did we earn for getting through to the knock out stages, I'm sure there was prize money for this. Also the exposure of our sponsors to a Europe wide market must be worth something and would attract bigger sponsors if the success was continued. I've a feeling Cardiff have identified this and will continue to push for European success as well as domestic. If we fail to invest in a better team then we are always going to be nearly men and never achieve a better return both financially and competitively than we currently do. If Neil Black is happy with the steady profits that we continue to return then fair dues, there's bugger all I can do about it apart from sulk every time we get beat by Cardiff and Sheffield. But eventually the product will get stale and not even Gary will be able to continue selling stale bread to the punters. What you say is very true. Whilst he is undoubtedly a good businessman i can never understand Mr Blacks apparent reluctance to be the best. After all Europe is his thing and winning the league gets you into the CHL,so why haven’t Panthers been gunning all out for the league win every season. And why do we not push for those extra 650 fans towards constant sell outs,because average crowds have been fairly static the last 3 or 4 years and actually reduced last season. For a lot of seasoned fans it seems they see the product getting stale yes,but the problem is the club don’t see it and work on the premise that “for every fan that walks away there’ll be another one to replace him”. That’s a bad attitude and not my words,that quote was actually said to me several times by Panthers during my days as a sponsor.
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 9, 2018 10:05:34 GMT
Ok, I love Hockey and the Panthers, full stop. But I love them a whole lot more when they're winning. Unfortunately that is not the view of the majority of the fans that attend on a Saturday night, for most just being there is enough, and while that is the case then Panthers management will be happy and they don't have much of a job to do. Someone mentioned that bar 650 the attendance couldn't get much better and has risen after the grand slam again why should panthers management bother, crowds are up and we don't have to try that hard on the ice. So a full house every game would possibly equate to about an extra £400K if as everyone assumes we're making a fine old profit then that £400K would be extra profit barring taxes etc. so that's one reason to do better and win more, fill the barn. So would filling the arena be the end of the rising profits? again mentioned earlier we are getting good value for our ticket price compared to 30 years ago, I for one would be happy to pay more for a better quality on the ice (sotto voce). And it doesn't need to stop there by fleecing the fans. This year it's been announced that we have the biggest sponsorship deal ever with the Nottingham Building Society, for all I know it could be 1 penny more than the last biggest given Gary's ability to spin trivial things. But these deals come about by businesses wanting to be associated with success, so my take on it is more success more sponsorship = more profit. Finally, If we win the league we get entry to the CHL. Surely this is a large revenue stream in itself. Last year we had 4 extra home games, that weren't on the season ticket. How much did we earn for getting through to the knock out stages, I'm sure there was prize money for this. Also the exposure of our sponsors to a Europe wide market must be worth something and would attract bigger sponsors if the success was continued. I've a feeling Cardiff have identified this and will continue to push for European success as well as domestic. If we fail to invest in a better team then we are always going to be nearly men and never achieve a better return both financially and competitively than we currently do. If Neil Black is happy with the steady profits that we continue to return then fair dues, there's bugger all I can do about it apart from sulk every time we get beat by Cardiff and Sheffield. But eventually the product will get stale and not even Gary will be able to continue selling stale bread to the punters. What you say is very true. Whilst he is undoubtedly a good businessman i can never understand Mr Blacks apparent reluctance to be the best. After all Europe is his thing and winning the league gets you into the CHL,so why haven’t Panthers been gunning all out for the league win every season. And why do we not push for those extra 650 fans towards constant sell outs,because average crowds have been fairly static the last 3 or 4 years and actually reduced last season. For a lot of seasoned fans it seems they see the product getting stale yes,but the problem is the club don’t see it and work on the premise that for every fan that walks away there’ll be another one to replace him. That’s a bad attitude,but it’s not my thinking,that was actually said to me several times by Panthers during my days as a sponsor. The club have seen things getting stale though, albeit belatedly. And they've gone and got a very experienced coach which is what everyone has been crying out for and a team that looks very different to anything Neilson ever put out on the ice. They could just as easily have made the easy choice of Promoting David Clarke or Rick Strachan or the usual string of EIHL coaches
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Post by Robbie Nud on Aug 9, 2018 10:20:25 GMT
Sponsored shoelaces... I'm waiting for the "Mary Goran likes this" to appear Many seasons ago you could sponsor individual items of kit; such as stick, shorts, socks, skate, padding. Even, if I recall correctly, down to the box protector jockstrap. Think was replaced with 'buy a brick in the wall'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 11:27:05 GMT
Sponsored shoelaces... I'm waiting for the "Mary Goran likes this" to appear Many seasons ago you could sponsor individual items of kit; such as stick, shorts, socks, skate, padding. Even, if I recall correctly, down to the box protector jockstrap. Think was replaced with 'buy a brick in the wall' Braehead (Not Glasgow, it'll always be Braehead to me) Clan still do have opportunities to sponsor individual pieces of kit.
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Post by iginla on Aug 9, 2018 12:02:33 GMT
Many seasons ago you could sponsor individual items of kit; such as stick, shorts, socks, skate, padding. Even, if I recall correctly, down to the box protector jockstrap. Think was replaced with 'buy a brick in the wall' Braehead (Not Glasgow, it'll always be Braehead to me) Clan still do have opportunities to sponsor individual pieces of kit. I think quite a few teams do it. Too much hassle for little reward at Panthers though. Can’t say i blame them on that one.
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Post by BigLad on Aug 10, 2018 12:57:16 GMT
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Post by wannabe2 on Aug 11, 2018 9:59:16 GMT
So who are you guys still waiting on to arrive.
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 11, 2018 10:21:13 GMT
Henderson and Rissling
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Post by wannabe2 on Aug 11, 2018 10:31:28 GMT
Thank you.👍
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 14:39:25 GMT
Rissling arrived today
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Post by panthers_nyr on Aug 12, 2018 14:40:35 GMT
Henderson on his way last night so I’m assuming he has arrived today as well.
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Post by pingchowchi on Aug 12, 2018 14:57:50 GMT
This really is a change from previous years.
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Post by Pies on Aug 12, 2018 14:58:30 GMT
So all in by August 13th.....I know some will still say it should have been August 6th but it’s still decent. 3 weeks before our first domestic game and a month both before a league game. Plenty of time to gel and work things out
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Post by iginla on Aug 12, 2018 15:17:18 GMT
This really is a change from previous years. Yes they have done very well. I wonder why the seemingly new efficiency ?
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Post by Yotes on Aug 12, 2018 16:11:26 GMT
So is Henderson straight in, or giving him the day off?
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Post by PantherG on Aug 12, 2018 16:24:35 GMT
So is Henderson straight in, or giving him the day off? Day off I hope.. guy hasn’t trained with the team and will be exhausted. Best he rests and gets ready for training this week imo.
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Post by PantherG on Aug 12, 2018 16:35:25 GMT
Last two lads landed today and are safely in Notts...
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 12, 2018 19:24:35 GMT
Well there you go, shows you what these ITK's know doesn't it.
Well done Panthers.
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 12, 2018 19:44:01 GMT
Well there you go, shows you what these ITK's know doesn't it. Well done Panthers. I thought you were the ITK. What did the others say? Ps. Glad they are all in to get ready for the proper puck drop. Still hoping for a spare.
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 12, 2018 19:45:25 GMT
Well there you go, shows you what these ITK's know doesn't it. Well done Panthers. I thought you were the ITK. What did the others say? Ps. Glad they are all in to get ready for the proper puck drop. Still hoping for a spare. Sarcasm at my own expense, Rob.
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Post by Mark on Aug 13, 2018 15:05:21 GMT
Great News. Hope positive stuff continues.
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