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Post by ant on Aug 8, 2018 14:33:04 GMT
We’ve had guys before on them that haven’t covered themselves in glory. Let’s see what theirs do. Regardless they are currently doing many things better than us with less money coming through the turnstiles. Either they are doing something very well or we aren’t. My guess is that they are running a hockey club extremely well and a business pretty well and we are doing the opposite. As a fan I know which I’d prefer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 14:51:07 GMT
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Post by pantherlee on Aug 8, 2018 15:04:09 GMT
We’ve had guys before on them that haven’t covered themselves in glory. Let’s see what theirs do. Regardless they are currently doing many things better than us with less money coming through the turnstiles. Either they are doing something very well or we aren’t. My guess is that they are running a hockey club extremely well and a business pretty well and we are doing the opposite. As a fan I know which I’d prefer. Why are we opposite? I agree that in recent seasons Cardiff have set the benchmark but that doesn't that makes us bad. Yes we could be better but we are also doing a lot of things right. The club have been criticised for their poor quality on social media and since responded and now have one of the best. On the ice even though we've had our fair share of failures we've also had success too most recently in the CHL. We have now replaced the coach with someone who has genuine pedigree and for me has put a pretty good looking team together second only to Cardiffs. There are obviously still areas in which Panthers still need to improve but i'm not one for all this Panthers are "useless" "amateurish" etc. comments that keep being bandied about. Usually by the same few people
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Post by shinobi on Aug 8, 2018 15:08:09 GMT
You mean it’s safe for the tinfoil hat brigade to remove their headwear?
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Post by Yotes on Aug 8, 2018 15:27:26 GMT
In fairness, if the club put out bits like that without the fans having to prompt for it (not just on here) we'd all be better off.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 15:29:21 GMT
You mean it’s safe for the tinfoil hat brigade to remove their headwear? No it means they read the cage and finally decided to update their fans !!!
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Post by dill1015 on Aug 8, 2018 15:36:45 GMT
What, NO! Dam your good news. We were just starting to get some momentum on the 'I hate Panthers organisation' band wagon. This just wont do.
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Post by bobness on Aug 8, 2018 15:38:44 GMT
Give Kelman a job? As owner of the Devils, I don't think that's an option... :-)
The purely "business" decision is "How many more bums on seats will a league title get us?". Going from 2012-13 to now, the answer is 650 a game. At an average of £16 each that's marginal revenue of £300k or so. Who knows what costs have gone up by? Given that there's been no title since 12-13, the last 2 seasons have been pretty poor league wise, the overall mood on here can best be described as "poor", and attendances are now 13% higher anyway, I guess the club have done it a different (and cheaper, and less risk) way than "spending at all costs to win" and hoping more people turn up as a result. Me? I'd rather have a stable club than a risk-taker at the helm. Throwing money blindly at a sports club doesn't show a "relentless aim to succeed". Let's face it, it's not worked well for Notts County over the last 10 years...
This time last year, plenty on here were very happy with the team signed.
We can agree to disagree by all means.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 15:38:49 GMT
What, NO! Dam your good news. We were just starting to get some momentum on the 'I hate Panthers organisation' band wagon. This just wont do. Don't worry we ll have 8 months to reclaim it 😁
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Post by iginla on Aug 8, 2018 15:58:20 GMT
In fairness, if the club put out bits like that without the fans having to prompt for it (not just on here) we'd all be better off. Hurrraaayyy at last.......That’s all we wanted thank you Panthers. Oh the power of the cage ! 😀👍
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Post by Pies on Aug 8, 2018 16:04:10 GMT
In fairness, if the club put out bits like that without the fans having to prompt for it (not just on here) we'd all be better off. Hurrraaayyy at last.......That’s all we wanted thank you Panthers. Oh the power of the cage ! 😀👍 Actually, we struck a deal with GM. It’s only when you and Pidge are truly irate do we agree for them to release the news.
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Post by texpef on Aug 8, 2018 16:13:56 GMT
Give Kelman a job? As owner of the Devils, I don't think that's an option... :-) The purely "business" decision is "How many more bums on seats will a league title get us?". Going from 2012-13 to now, the answer is 650 a game. At an average of £16 each that's marginal revenue of £300k or so. Who knows what costs have gone up by? Given that there's been no title since 12-13, the last 2 seasons have been pretty poor league wise, the overall mood on here can best be described as "poor", and attendances are now 13% higher anyway, I guess the club have done it a different (and cheaper, and less risk) way than "spending at all costs to win" and hoping more people turn up as a result. Me? I'd rather have a stable club than a risk-taker at the helm. Throwing money blindly at a sports club doesn't show a "relentless aim to succeed". Let's face it, it's not worked well for Notts County over the last 10 years... This time last year, plenty on here were very happy with the team signed. We can agree to disagree by all means. It all depends on why you watch Panthers/Professional Sport/Hockey Personally, i was never a big fan of watching sports in the country and dont really like football but at the tender age of around 19-20 i was introduced to hockey at the old rink and was hooked on well just about everything about it so for me i couldnt really support another club in this country... As for hockey well the more i got to know the more i enjoyed watching and love watching the NHL which clearly is much more skilled but i dont have the level of loyalty i have to panthers so its a different experience... Finally after many many years over 3 decades and watching other clubs tell me its pro sport and its all about the winning well now for me that holds true, i didnt watch a league game after xmas last year and it will be the same this year if the team arent good enough so for me spending what it takes to win is the absolute requirement and more so at Nottingham as i have seen over the decades what it takes to get that top prize... I look at the bums on seats and all the sponsorship and all the merch being sold and i cant help but wonder why we arent spending more on the better players because IF the club arent making a stupendous profit then they really should be, when i first went tickets were around a fiver now they are what £16-17 min? so sure lets agree to disagree but i cant help but also feel as a fan i am not being taken for a ride somewhat..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 16:46:25 GMT
Give Kelman a job? As owner of the Devils, I don't think that's an option... :-) The purely "business" decision is "How many more bums on seats will a league title get us?". Going from 2012-13 to now, the answer is 650 a game. At an average of £16 each that's marginal revenue of £300k or so. Who knows what costs have gone up by? Given that there's been no title since 12-13, the last 2 seasons have been pretty poor league wise, the overall mood on here can best be described as "poor", and attendances are now 13% higher anyway, I guess the club have done it a different (and cheaper, and less risk) way than "spending at all costs to win" and hoping more people turn up as a result. Me? I'd rather have a stable club than a risk-taker at the helm. Throwing money blindly at a sports club doesn't show a "relentless aim to succeed". Let's face it, it's not worked well for Notts County over the last 10 years... This time last year, plenty on here were very happy with the team signed. We can agree to disagree by all means. It all depends on why you watch Panthers/Professional Sport/Hockey Personally, i was never a big fan of watching sports in the country and dont really like football but at the tender age of around 19-20 i was introduced to hockey at the old rink and was hooked on well just about everything about it so for me i couldnt really support another club in this country... As for hockey well the more i got to know the more i enjoyed watching and love watching the NHL which clearly is much more skilled but i dont have the level of loyalty i have to panthers so its a different experience... Finally after many many years over 3 decades and watching other clubs tell me its pro sport and its all about the winning well now for me that holds true, i didnt watch a league game after xmas last year and it will be the same this year if the team arent good enough so for me spending what it takes to win is the absolute requirement and more so at Nottingham as i have seen over the decades what it takes to get that top prize... I look at the bums on seats and all the sponsorship and all the merch being sold and i cant help but wonder why we arent spending more on the better players because IF the club arent making a stupendous profit then they really should be, when i first went tickets were around a fiver now they are what £16-17 min? so sure lets agree to disagree but i cant help but also feel as a fan i am not being taken for a ride somewhat.. I am a little like Tex, and been an avid Panthers follower since early 1980's, 1983 to be exact, and got hooked. I must admit, the excitement then seemed to be greater, as Panthers were the underdogs, and lost the majority of games, yet they competed. Sorry, I digressed. The point I wanted to make was that in the 1980's we had 3 imports and 15 amateurs (Brits). We paid around £5 per ticket, and thought we had good value at that. Today, we have 22 Professional players and pay around £17. Yet take a look at what £5 in 1983 would equate to today (Bank of England - www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/inflation/inflation-calculator) It comes out at £16.04. Just saying...
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Post by allingtonskates on Aug 8, 2018 16:58:22 GMT
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Post by bobness on Aug 8, 2018 17:00:48 GMT
So attendance charges have broadly kept pace with price inflation for 30 or so years, while the on ice product is light years ahead of what it was (even if Panthers aren't winning everything) so, value-wise, it's way better? Anyone know what a Forest ticket was 30 years ago? (Mind, we know where that extra goes, players' pockets...)
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Post by iginla on Aug 8, 2018 17:09:40 GMT
Give Kelman a job? As owner of the Devils, I don't think that's an option... :-) The purely "business" decision is "How many more bums on seats will a league title get us?". Going from 2012-13 to now, the answer is 650 a game. At an average of £16 each that's marginal revenue of £300k or so. Who knows what costs have gone up by? Given that there's been no title since 12-13, the last 2 seasons have been pretty poor league wise, the overall mood on here can best be described as "poor", and attendances are now 13% higher anyway, I guess the club have done it a different (and cheaper, and less risk) way than "spending at all costs to win" and hoping more people turn up as a result. Me? I'd rather have a stable club than a risk-taker at the helm. Throwing money blindly at a sports club doesn't show a "relentless aim to succeed". Let's face it, it's not worked well for Notts County over the last 10 years... This time last year, plenty on here were very happy with the team signed. We can agree to disagree by all means. Nobody wants spending at all costs,but in Pantherland we should expect at least very good quality on the ice. But say 40 home games x average crowd 5800 x £13 average ticket = £3million income in tickets alone,before you even start with sponsorship and merchandise etc etc. Even if all the players were on £1000 a week,which they ain’t,that’s only £600k ish yearly player wages. So where the heck does the other £2.5million plus go ?
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Post by PantherG on Aug 8, 2018 18:16:35 GMT
just two left to arrive... Cardiff have a full team in
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Post by jd on Aug 8, 2018 18:30:42 GMT
Give Kelman a job? As owner of the Devils, I don't think that's an option... :-) The purely "business" decision is "How many more bums on seats will a league title get us?". Going from 2012-13 to now, the answer is 650 a game. At an average of £16 each that's marginal revenue of £300k or so. Who knows what costs have gone up by? Given that there's been no title since 12-13, the last 2 seasons have been pretty poor league wise, the overall mood on here can best be described as "poor", and attendances are now 13% higher anyway, I guess the club have done it a different (and cheaper, and less risk) way than "spending at all costs to win" and hoping more people turn up as a result. Me? I'd rather have a stable club than a risk-taker at the helm. Throwing money blindly at a sports club doesn't show a "relentless aim to succeed". Let's face it, it's not worked well for Notts County over the last 10 years... This time last year, plenty on here were very happy with the team signed. We can agree to disagree by all means. Nobody wants spending at all costs,but in Pantherland we should expect at least very good quality on the ice. But say 40 home games x average crowd 5800 x £13 average ticket = £3million income in tickets alone,before you even start with sponsorship and merchandise etc etc. Even if all the players were on £1000 a week,which they ain’t,that’s only £600k ish yearly player wages. So where the heck does the other £2.5million plus go ? Paying rent at the NIC Accommodation Cars Equipment Flights Paying GM and the rest of the staff NB will take a cut
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 18:34:49 GMT
Give Kelman a job? As owner of the Devils, I don't think that's an option... :-) The purely "business" decision is "How many more bums on seats will a league title get us?". Going from 2012-13 to now, the answer is 650 a game. At an average of £16 each that's marginal revenue of £300k or so. Who knows what costs have gone up by? Given that there's been no title since 12-13, the last 2 seasons have been pretty poor league wise, the overall mood on here can best be described as "poor", and attendances are now 13% higher anyway, I guess the club have done it a different (and cheaper, and less risk) way than "spending at all costs to win" and hoping more people turn up as a result. Me? I'd rather have a stable club than a risk-taker at the helm. Throwing money blindly at a sports club doesn't show a "relentless aim to succeed". Let's face it, it's not worked well for Notts County over the last 10 years... This time last year, plenty on here were very happy with the team signed. We can agree to disagree by all means. Nobody wants spending at all costs,but in Pantherland we should expect at least very good quality on the ice. But say 40 home games x average crowd 5800 x £13 average ticket = £3million income in tickets alone,before you even start with sponsorship and merchandise etc etc. Even if all the players were on £1000 a week,which they ain’t,that’s only £600k ish yearly player wages. So where the heck does the other £2.5million plus go ? Basing on your 40 home games let’s assume that Arena rental is £15k per game & includes training sessions. That comes to £600k. VAT at 20% takes care of another £600k (@ £3m annual income). players housing rental, office costs, staff wages etc, no idea what they will be but let’s estimate £300k. That leaves £1m, which is still a very healthy profit for Mr Black.
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Post by jd on Aug 8, 2018 19:31:01 GMT
Everytime I've rung or emailed always had a reply. Out of interest, you coming to any games this season? Bet you were buying a shirt or enquiring about sponsorship haha ! 🤣 Oooh i may make the odd game if it suits me,once they’ve actually got a full roster in and if it looks like we might challenge Cardiff. Got to keep up to speed with what’s happening on the ice occaisionally you know or you’ll be telling me i haven’t watched them. There’s plenty of free tickets floating around. 😀 Lol, never bought any merchandise in 20 years of going and couldn’t afford to sponsor the shoelaces never mind a player.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 8, 2018 20:33:33 GMT
Lol, never bought any merchandise in 20 years of going and couldn’t afford to sponsor the shoelaces never mind a player. Sponsored shoelaces... I'm waiting for the "Mary Goran likes this" to appear
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Post by iginla on Aug 8, 2018 20:44:56 GMT
Nobody wants spending at all costs,but in Pantherland we should expect at least very good quality on the ice. But say 40 home games x average crowd 5800 x £13 average ticket = £3million income in tickets alone,before you even start with sponsorship and merchandise etc etc. Even if all the players were on £1000 a week,which they ain’t,that’s only £600k ish yearly player wages. So where the heck does the other £2.5million plus go ? Basing on your 40 home games let’s assume that Arena rental is £15k per game & includes training sessions. That comes to £600k. VAT at 20% takes care of another £600k (@ £3m annual income). players housing rental, office costs, staff wages etc, no idea what they will be but let’s estimate £300k. That leaves £1m, which is still a very healthy profit for Mr Black. Agreed Jono,it actually leaves £1.5million,a very healthy profit indeed for Mr Black. Then add on all the sponsorship,shirt sales,merchandise,programmes,50/50 tickets,shirt off the back tickets etc and that becomes a very,very,very healthy profit !
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Post by Rob Scott on Aug 8, 2018 20:45:58 GMT
Give Kelman a job? As owner of the Devils, I don't think that's an option... :-) The purely "business" decision is "How many more bums on seats will a league title get us?". Going from 2012-13 to now, the answer is 650 a game. At an average of £16 each that's marginal revenue of £300k or so. Who knows what costs have gone up by? Given that there's been no title since 12-13, the last 2 seasons have been pretty poor league wise, the overall mood on here can best be described as "poor", and attendances are now 13% higher anyway, I guess the club have done it a different (and cheaper, and less risk) way than "spending at all costs to win" and hoping more people turn up as a result. Me? I'd rather have a stable club than a risk-taker at the helm. Throwing money blindly at a sports club doesn't show a "relentless aim to succeed". Let's face it, it's not worked well for Notts County over the last 10 years... This time last year, plenty on here were very happy with the team signed. We can agree to disagree by all means. Nobody wants spending at all costs,but in Pantherland we should expect at least very good quality on the ice. But say 40 home games x average crowd 5800 x £13 average ticket = £3million income in tickets alone,before you even start with sponsorship and merchandise etc etc. Even if all the players were on £1000 a week,which they ain’t,that’s only £600k ish yearly player wages. So where the heck does the other £2.5million plus go ? Uncomfortable truths Ig...
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Post by iginla on Aug 8, 2018 20:49:35 GMT
Nobody wants spending at all costs,but in Pantherland we should expect at least very good quality on the ice. But say 40 home games x average crowd 5800 x £13 average ticket = £3million income in tickets alone,before you even start with sponsorship and merchandise etc etc. Even if all the players were on £1000 a week,which they ain’t,that’s only £600k ish yearly player wages. So where the heck does the other £2.5million plus go ? Uncomfortable truths Ig... Ssshhh you’ll get me in trouble again ! 🤣
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Post by ant on Aug 8, 2018 22:07:47 GMT
Basically he makes alot of ££££s. Is it unfair for us paying customers to ask for him to put out a side capable of winning the league?
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