Dan Spang departs

[johnbluebeam]

Dan Spang to Lowen Frankfurt, DEL 2, on EP.

[Yotes]

Good luck to him.

[iginla]

Surprised at that one.
Thought he would have either stayed here at Panthers or retired.
Gone to Cherno’s old club then eh ?

[dill1015]

Fine by me. Hes the only dman i actively didnt want back. Good luck to him though.

[Deleted]

Good ! Rich is clearing out all the dead wood !

[Chris]

100% fine by me. Good luck to him but I'm glad he's going.

[bobness]

Seriously? Dead wood?
By a country mile the best +/- of the common players of the last 2 seasons, led the team 2016-17, 4th last season (best D man), combined +31, to go with a point every other game, and some big goals at big times.
In terms of actually defending (which is what D men really ought to be judged on) he's statistically been the pick of the D the last 2 years.
I'm waiting to see who Chernomaz gets to replace him.

[Deleted]

Jun 13, 2018 17:20:12 GMT bobness said:

Seriously? Dead wood?
By a country mile the best +/- of the common players of the last 2 seasons, led the team 2016-17, 4th last season (best D man), combined +31, to go with a point every other game, and some big goals at big times.
In terms of actually defending (which is what D men really ought to be judged on) he's statistically been the pick of the D the last 2 years.
I'm waiting to see who Chernomaz gets to replace him.

The d is already looking better than last year with 2 spots to fill and I think Olsen the replacement .. and very happy about it too

[iginla]

Jun 13, 2018 17:20:12 GMT bobness said:

Seriously? Dead wood?
By a country mile the best +/- of the common players of the last 2 seasons, led the team 2016-17, 4th last season (best D man), combined +31, to go with a point every other game, and some big goals at big times.
In terms of actually defending (which is what D men really ought to be judged on) he's statistically been the pick of the D the last 2 years.
I'm waiting to see who Chernomaz gets to replace him.

If it’s an upgrade on Spang he will be a good player.
I thought Spang was very decent and never quite understood why he never got any credit.
He just did his job and did it pretty well.
It’s odd how some players are crowd favourites and others are not.
Just to take two players, Spang and say Nick Toneys.
Both D men,nobody said much about Spang and he wasn’t a favourite,yet Toneys whilst solid enough was nowhere near the player Spang was,yet a lot of the fans loved Nick Toneys. 🤔

[PantherB]

Pleased by this.

He was good at times, but dreadful at others. The way he found space to carve through oppositions defences before floating one over the goalie's shoulder was always a delight, wish there was more of it. Got a good shot but failed to use it as much as he probably should have. I found his extreme lack of physicality very frustrating, countless times where he could've applied the body even a small amount to prevent forwards from getting past, but he never seemed to do anything. And then there's the diving/embellishment, Christ above I despised it. Stick near the face = down like a sack of spuds. The officials knew his game about halfway through the first season and every time after that, you could see the officials essentially saying 'oh for crying out loud get up'.

Very frustrating player for me, so I'm glad he's gone.

[Shaggy]

The Dan Spang from the 2016-17 season I would have happily driven to the airport myself.

The Dan Spang from the 2017-18 season was a different kettle of fish... maybe he wasn't a superstar, but he was a decent solid player (most of the time - don't think anyone was consistently brilliant!). Maybe it has something to do with the two different rosters, I don't know... but I wouldn't have objected overly much if he'd been re-signed for next season.

That being said, I definitely think that we can upgrade on him (and maybe already have?).

Good luck for the future, Mr Spang...

[Yotes]

Like PantherB, I could never quite get past the ease with which he hit the ice, although he did cut down on that in year 2. Wish him well in Germany but I'm happy with the decision.

[iginla]

If we sign a player this season with Spangs CV everybody will be going WOW great signing.
He played his whole pro career before Panthers in the AHL,DEL,SHL,Liga,Czech and even KHL.

I don’t get why a lot of Panthers people didn’t rate him.

[Deleted]

Jun 13, 2018 21:51:25 GMT iginla said:

If we sign a player this season with Spangs CV everybody will be going WOW great signing.
He played his whole pro career before Panthers in the AHL,DEL,SHL,Liga,Czech and even KHL.

I don’t get why a lot of Panthers people didn’t rate him.

And that's why stats and Cvs don't tell the full story (see current Garnett thread) look at his cv before Nottingham yet some people ain't happy he's back !!

[iginla]

Jun 13, 2018 22:00:39 GMT @pidge said:

Jun 13, 2018 21:51:25 GMT iginla said:

If we sign a player this season with Spangs CV everybody will be going WOW great signing.
He played his whole pro career before Panthers in the AHL,DEL,SHL,Liga,Czech and even KHL.

I don’t get why a lot of Panthers people didn’t rate him.

And that's why stats and Cvs don't tell the full story (see current Garnett thread) look at his cv before Nottingham yet some people ain't happy he's back !!

Spangs stats were pretty decent though Pidge.
Reasonable points,very good plus/minus,was pretty solid etc.
Odd mistake yes,but compared to the likes of Sauve and Lee,for every mistake Spang made I bet those two made ten each !
Spang didn’t play very physical and he didn’t fight so he wasn’t a crowd favourite,that’s about the top and bottom of it. 🙄

[Deleted]

Apart from the turnovers right in the slot yeah.. Yes not the worst d man I've seen but far from the best either

[ggggranville]

I think some of his mistakes were due to the excess number of minutes on the ice. Suave’ s +/- we’re also down to the minutes he logged.

[bobness]

Jun 14, 2018 13:26:14 GMT ggggranville said:

I think some of his mistakes were due to the excess number of minutes on the ice. Suave’ s +/- we’re also down to the minutes he logged.

One thing +/- isn't, in my experience, is necessarily ice time dependent. Victor Hedman at Tampa Bay played 25:51 a game last year and was +32. Compare to the bottom of the pile Nick Leddy of NYI, -42, 22:25 TOI.
Sauve's +/- wasn't great because (IMHO) he wasn't actually that great at actually defending i.e stopping the other team scoring.
Panthers "worst" D man, by that stat, last year (save Brisebois).

[iginla]

Jun 15, 2018 7:36:45 GMT bobness said:

Jun 14, 2018 13:26:14 GMT ggggranville said:

I think some of his mistakes were due to the excess number of minutes on the ice. Suave’ s +/- we’re also down to the minutes he logged.

One thing +/- isn't, in my experience, is necessarily ice time dependent. Victor Hedman at Tampa Bay played 25:51 a game last year and was +32. Compare to the bottom of the pile Nick Leddy of NYI, -42, 22:25 TOI.
Sauve's +/- wasn't great because (IMHO) he wasn't actually that great at actually defending i.e stopping the other team scoring.
Panthers "worst" D man, by that stat, last year (save Brisebois).

I agree with you there about plus/minus v minutes played.
It’s very strange,Spangs plus/minus was very good yet the fans didn’t take to him.
However Brisbois’s plus/minus stats were poor yet I don’t think I’ve ever read anything derogatory or critical about him.
It would seem that either nobody in the stands takes any notice of plus/minus stats,or a lot of Panthers fans don’t actually know what they’re talking about.
If say we had a tough guy who lost most fights and his plus/minus win or lose fight stats were minus 20 would the fans think he was any good ?
Mmmm I doubt it....then again !

[Yotes]

Jun 15, 2018 7:59:51 GMT iginla said:

It would seem that either nobody in the stands takes any notice of plus/minus stats,or a lot of Panthers fans don’t actually know what they’re talking about.

Good to see the old "you disagree with me, ergo you don't know what you're talking about" argument.

There are a myriad of reasons people might take to a player or not. Won't all fall in line with the +/-.

[iginla]

Jun 15, 2018 10:12:24 GMT Yotes said:

Jun 15, 2018 7:59:51 GMT iginla said:

It would seem that either nobody in the stands takes any notice of plus/minus stats,or a lot of Panthers fans don’t actually know what they’re talking about.

Good to see the old "you disagree with me, ergo you don't know what you're talking about" argument.

There are a myriad of reasons people might take to a player or not. Won't all fall in line with the +/-.

Yeah unfortunately half of them get adored because they either...
Seem a nice guy.
Had a photo with the fans.
Fight a lot.
Are good at quiz nights.
Do a little dance.
Or sing a nice little song.
Etc etc.

Not because they’re neccesarily that much good at their job on the ice ! 🙄

[Yotes]

They all get adored by a certain section of the fanbase, Spang's departure is being mourned on Twitter.

You spent last season telling us all how crap the team was, now you're annoyed that some of us aren't bothered that a member of that team isn't returning.

[ashfieldpanther]

Jun 15, 2018 10:26:38 GMT iginla said:

Jun 15, 2018 10:12:24 GMT Yotes said:

Good to see the old "you disagree with me, ergo you don't know what you're talking about" argument.

There are a myriad of reasons people might take to a player or not. Won't all fall in line with the +/-.

Yeah unfortunately half of them get adored because they either...
Seem a nice guy.
Had a photo with the fans.
Fight a lot.
Are good at quiz nights.
Do a little dance.
Or sing a nice little song.
Etc etc.

Not because they’re neccesarily that much good at their job on the ice ! 🙄

I don't go to quiz nights, signings, parties, or any club social functions. I don't queue up for photos or to get a signed shirt. I don't watch 'panthers tv' so can't judg e whether some-one is a nice guy or not. I judge a player on the effort they put in the ice, and if they give the impression of being happy to be playing for the club, and look hurt/disappointed when they lose. And if they have a semblance of an idea about doing their jobs effectively. That's all

[Joe]

Jun 15, 2018 7:59:51 GMT iginla said:

Jun 15, 2018 7:36:45 GMT bobness said:

One thing +/- isn't, in my experience, is necessarily ice time dependent. Victor Hedman at Tampa Bay played 25:51 a game last year and was +32. Compare to the bottom of the pile Nick Leddy of NYI, -42, 22:25 TOI.
Sauve's +/- wasn't great because (IMHO) he wasn't actually that great at actually defending i.e stopping the other team scoring.
Panthers "worst" D man, by that stat, last year (save Brisebois).

I agree with you there about plus/minus v minutes played.
It’s very strange,Spangs plus/minus was very good yet the fans didn’t take to him.
However Brisbois’s plus/minus stats were poor yet I don’t think I’ve ever read anything derogatory or critical about him.
It would seem that either nobody in the stands takes any notice of plus/minus stats,or a lot of Panthers fans don’t actually know what they’re talking about.
If say we had a tough guy who lost most fights and his plus/minus win or lose fight stats were minus 20 would the fans think he was any good ?
Mmmm I doubt it....then again !

but +/- isn’t solely dependent on a players performance, a defender could do everything right but the goalie could let a soft goal in or a forward could be puck watching and lose his man and he would get a minus on his stats even though it wasn’t his fault

[bobness]

Just a quick stat or two.
Sauve had 54 minuses last year. (League only)
Other D men accruing minuses on those goals were
Lee 30
Spang 5
Brisebois 2
Gagnon 3
Billingsley 8

I've not included Lindhagen/Mosey as I haven't a note of whether they were playing F or D in any particular game.
Of the 7 goals left, 2 featured a minus for Lindhagen, 1 for Mosey and 1 for both these 2.