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Post by texpef on May 3, 2018 8:35:34 GMT
OK been watching this debate deteriorate into a brexit like divide.. and it clearly isnt going to change anyones opinion on this. As for my opinion having watched UK hockey for many decades now with imports coming and going and being around the last time GB were in pool A (and loaded with duals to the extent it caused some brits such as Hand to stop playing) then i think we need to go with the best possible team we can ice whether than be dual nationals or more "traditional" brits. The team are going to have enough trouble just staying where they are without hampering their chances by limiting there player choices..
If the likes of Mosey or a.n.other are available and want to play then select them, imho having watched the GB games we had a few players who clearly were out of their depth replacing these with better players if they are available, imho regardless of their passport, then it is a good thing.
I am not saying we need more imports available in the domestic league but and this for me is key IF the playing rules allow a better playing choice then we would be foolish not to take it and dont give me all this team bonding/team spirit crap players will play and gain an understanding of whoever they play with irrespective of the individual accents.
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Post by simonm on May 4, 2018 17:16:47 GMT
Once the forum moderators allow people who wish to see the current British players play next season called xenophobic racists debate is stomped on and inhibits anyone giving a similar opinion.
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Post by Pies on May 4, 2018 17:26:44 GMT
Once the forum moderators allow people who wish to see the current British players play next season called xenophobic racists debate is stomped on and inhibits anyone giving a similar opinion. There has been absolutely no breach of forum rules as far as I’m concerned. You made a comment which was fair game for a response.
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Post by simonm on May 4, 2018 17:28:56 GMT
It's quite clear that stating a preference for one side is akin to labelling yourself racist...
Who needs that treatment ?
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Post by simonm on May 4, 2018 17:37:13 GMT
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Post by simonm on May 4, 2018 17:45:40 GMT
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Post by simonm on May 4, 2018 17:47:50 GMT
Players that got us from group D to C to B to A....
Then lost their place to players who suddenly got themselves a passport.
Have some respect is what I say !
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Post by simonm on May 4, 2018 17:53:07 GMT
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Post by PantherB on May 4, 2018 18:00:54 GMT
If you're that bothered, send an email to the IIHF as well as IHUK.
Dual nationals are in national teams of all sports.
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Post by simonm on May 4, 2018 18:02:18 GMT
www.eliteprospects.com/player/20961/ashley-taitMaybe just too young to be in the list but the point I'd make is no younger than Liam and so probably would have gone. The damage done to the British players mindset is quite clear... 'why bother diving in front of a puck and getting promoted if you're just going to get dumped for a new GB passport holder'
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Post by simonm on May 4, 2018 18:03:25 GMT
If you're that bothered, send an email to the IIHF as well as IHUK. Dual nationals are in national teams of all sports. Thanks for the advice I'll file it.
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Post by Pies on May 4, 2018 18:43:20 GMT
It's quite clear that stating a preference for one side is akin to labelling yourself racist... Who needs that [deleted] However this is against forum rules so considered yourself warned
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Post by simonm on May 4, 2018 19:13:12 GMT
So I get a 25% warning for objecting to the implication that I'm a racist and xenophobe ..... Which the moderators do nothing about.
You're not a moderator pies ..... You're an instigator.
So and so..... That's code
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Post by Shaggy on May 4, 2018 19:43:53 GMT
The damage done to the British players mindset is quite clear... 'why bother diving in front of a puck and getting promoted if you're just going to get dumped for a new GB passport holder' If that was truly the case, then the likes of Liam Kirk, Ollie Betteridge, Ben Davies etc wouldn't have bothered going to Budapest... so who was it that I saw out there in GB jerseys playing their hearts out? I spoke to Ben Davies out there, and he was absolutely buzzing at being on the squad. Didn't strike me that his mindset had been damaged all that much... In fact, over the years I've spoken to quite a few young players on the GB squad... and I don't once recall anything like that which you describe. Do you actually know anything about this subject? Doesn't sound like it to me...
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Post by spik on May 4, 2018 19:47:43 GMT
Didn't Tony Hand make a statement?
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Post by Shaggy on May 4, 2018 19:48:11 GMT
So I get a 25% warning for objecting to the implication that I'm a racist and xenophobe ..... Which the moderators do nothing about. You're not a moderator pies ..... You're an instigator. So and so..... That's code Nobody implied that you were racist or xenophobic... just because you started this thread off, it doesn't mean that you are inextricably linked to it or that any negative comment about it is aimed at you. I suggest that you give your ego a rest before you cross any more lines.
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Post by simonm on May 4, 2018 19:49:27 GMT
And Tony Hand vetoed playing for GB for what reason then ?
Did you speak to him about it ?
The 24 years away says I'm not completely wrong.
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Post by simonm on May 4, 2018 19:53:56 GMT
This topic then is being run by short sighted idiots that wish only for their opinions to be heard, whilst implying anyone of a different opinion is a racist.
I've named no one, or even quoted anyone so no one should take offense at what I've just written... Unless of course this topic is being run etc.
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Post by Pies on May 4, 2018 19:57:39 GMT
So I get a 25% warning for objecting to the implication that I'm a racist and xenophobe ..... Which the moderators do nothing about. You're not a moderator pies ..... You're an instigator. So and so..... That's code No you got a 25% warning for swearing. I thought I was reasonably clear in my statement of that and the fact no one else here has broken any rules. I may have actually agreed with your views for all you know but I’m here to encourage debate within the rules. You didn’t follow the rules.!
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Post by simonm on May 4, 2018 20:02:48 GMT
Allowing the implication to stand that some people are racists and xenophobic isn't encouraging debate.
And just remember it was me he was quoting when he wrote it.
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Post by simonm on May 4, 2018 20:05:21 GMT
So I get a 25% warning for objecting to the implication that I'm a racist and xenophobe ..... Which the moderators do nothing about. You're not a moderator pies ..... You're an instigator. So and so..... That's code No you got a 25% warning for swearing. I thought I was reasonably clear in my statement of that and the fact no one else here has broken any rules. I may have actually agreed with your views for all you know but I’m here to encourage debate within the rules. You didn’t follow the rules.! This Weeks Alternative Thinking.
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Post by Pies on May 4, 2018 20:11:10 GMT
Look Simon, you have had 2 moderators inform you we are comfortable with the questioning. Yotes has posted in the thread so I hope he doesn’t mind me speaking for him when we say we are happy with what people have posted.
Kovalchuk17’s post is a valid view. He has asked you to debate your point and you have declined to do so. I don’t have any more to add to this thread.
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Post by Pies on May 4, 2018 20:12:08 GMT
No you got a 25% warning for swearing. I thought I was reasonably clear in my statement of that and the fact no one else here has broken any rules. I may have actually agreed with your views for all you know but I’m here to encourage debate within the rules. You didn’t follow the rules.! This Weeks Alternative Thinking. Simon, you must think I was born yesterday. So goodbye sunshine.
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Post by Shaggy on May 4, 2018 20:24:37 GMT
And Tony Hand vetoed playing for GB for what reason then ? Did you speak to him about it ? The 24 years away says I'm not completely wrong. What on earth are you talking about? You are making no sense whatsoever...
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Post by Jord v4 on May 4, 2018 22:10:46 GMT
How about we get together, as a forum & produce some profile characteristics for the Dual National & Brit players, that would help us judge who was worthy of a place in the squad.
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