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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 25, 2018 8:41:25 GMT
If Neilson was as willfully negligent as intimated and the management did nothing but give him a cracking budget and a large amount of control then they certainly let him get away with abject league campaigns without reprisal for an extremely long time...
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Apr 25, 2018 8:55:20 GMT
Post by Jord v4 on Apr 25, 2018 8:55:20 GMT
If Neilson was as willfully negligent as intimated and the management did nothing but give him a cracking budget and a large amount of control then they certainly let him get away with abject league campaigns without reprisal for an extremely long time... Depends on what the measure for success was.
Imagine there were targets for success/profit that were being met. Panthers won a lot of trophies under Neilson & the club profile to those outside the EIHL was greatly improved.
I think the whole 'laser focussed' issue didn't help last season & the time for change was met.
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Post by bobness on Apr 25, 2018 13:22:22 GMT
Here's a good one for you all. Panthers only had one game last season in the league where they didn't get at least one powerplay opportunity. Which game? And against who did Panthers get the most PP chances in one game? (Clue, it was 8) :-) Dunno which games, but no powerplays = Scotland, so I'll go something against Braehead. Loads of powerplays = indiscipline = Thomo or Finnerty, so I'll go something against Manchester. My logic is flawless. It is indeed! Zero PP game was away in Edinburgh, 25 Feb. 8 PP chance game was indeed vs Storm, 16 December. 1 was converted on the night. Avverage number of PP chances per night (form the EIHL stats) was 3.5. Average conversion was thus 0.7. Panthers PP last year was poor early doors, then got quite good, then went off, then got worse. After the first 10 games (7-3 record) it was 13.6%. 6 for 44. First third of the season (18 games) 17/71, 23.9% Second third(19 games) 13/74, 19.6% Last third (19 games) 9/51, 17.6%
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Apr 25, 2018 15:45:03 GMT
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 25, 2018 15:45:03 GMT
Black clearly set the target as, win the league in 2 seasons, he didn’t get close.
Don’t mind if non of the imports come back as long as we improve. Can’t wait to see the new boss’ first signings, it will tell us a lot.
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Apr 25, 2018 16:26:45 GMT
Post by Jord v4 on Apr 25, 2018 16:26:45 GMT
Black clearly set the target as, win the league in 2 seasons, he didn’t get close. Don’t mind if non of the imports come back as long as we improve. Can’t wait to see the new boss’ first signings, it will tell us a lot. It was to some extent for the season just gone, not for the season before though. 2016/17's main objective was achieved & then enhanced on.
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Apr 25, 2018 18:27:35 GMT
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Post by iginla on Apr 25, 2018 18:27:35 GMT
Black clearly set the target as, win the league in 2 seasons, he didn’t get close. Don’t mind if non of the imports come back as long as we improve. Can’t wait to see the new boss’ first signings, it will tell us a lot. It was to some extent for the season just gone, not for the season before though. 2016/17's main objective was achieved & then enhanced on. For the 2016/17 season Neilson was told by Mr Black win a trophy,any trophy and you’re back. Once they’d won the Conti Cup that was it,foot off the gas, job done and didn’t give a toss for the rest of that season. Never again should NB tell a coach that !
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Apr 25, 2018 18:51:59 GMT
Post by pantherlee on Apr 25, 2018 18:51:59 GMT
It was to some extent for the season just gone, not for the season before though. 2016/17's main objective was achieved & then enhanced on. For the 2016/17 season Neilson was told by Mr Black win a trophy,any trophy and you’re back. Once they’d won the Conti Cup that was it,foot off the gas, job done and didn’t give a toss for the rest of that season. Never again should NB tell a coach that ! What a load of crap. Even if he was told that do you really think that players or the coaches aren't bothered about winning. True enough that team wasn't very good but its got nothing to do with not giving a toss
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Apr 25, 2018 19:19:42 GMT
Post by Jord v4 on Apr 25, 2018 19:19:42 GMT
It was to some extent for the season just gone, not for the season before though. 2016/17's main objective was achieved & then enhanced on. For the 2016/17 season Neilson was told by Mr Black win a trophy,any trophy and you’re back. Once they’d won the Conti Cup that was it,foot off the gas, job done and didn’t give a toss for the rest of that season. Never again should NB tell a coach that ! He wasn't told to win any trophy. His objective was to forge a successful Euro campaign. Which was achieved big style. The league has almost always been the big failing, it's hardly ever been the main objective.
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Apr 25, 2018 20:22:15 GMT
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Post by iginla on Apr 25, 2018 20:22:15 GMT
For the 2016/17 season Neilson was told by Mr Black win a trophy,any trophy and you’re back. Once they’d won the Conti Cup that was it,foot off the gas, job done and didn’t give a toss for the rest of that season. Never again should NB tell a coach that ! What a load of crap. Even if he was told that do you really think that players or the coaches aren't bothered about winning. True enough that team wasn't very good but its got nothing to do with not giving a toss You best ask some of the players on that years team what they thought of Corey’s attitude after we won the Conti then ! 😉
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Apr 25, 2018 20:32:21 GMT
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Post by pantherlee on Apr 25, 2018 20:32:21 GMT
What a load of crap. Even if he was told that do you really think that players or the coaches aren't bothered about winning. True enough that team wasn't very good but its got nothing to do with not giving a toss You best ask some of the players on that years team what they thought of Corey’s attitude after we won the Conti then ! 😉 Why don't you enlighten us all
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Apr 25, 2018 20:50:24 GMT
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Post by iginla on Apr 25, 2018 20:50:24 GMT
You best ask some of the players on that years team what they thought of Corey’s attitude after we won the Conti then ! 😉 Why don't you enlighten us all I already have. Some of them thought he didn’t give a stuff once they’d won the easy Conti cup.
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Post by shinobi on Apr 25, 2018 23:32:31 GMT
Why don't you enlighten us all I already have. Some of them thought he didn’t give a stuff once they’d won the easy Conti cup. Specifically which players then?
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Apr 26, 2018 7:08:16 GMT
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Post by jd on Apr 26, 2018 7:08:16 GMT
Why don't you enlighten us all I already have. Some of them thought he didn’t give a stuff once they’d won the easy Conti cup. The easy Conti cup? You really think it was easy?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 7:31:18 GMT
Yes. Any one of 5 eihl teams could have won the super final that year ...
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Apr 26, 2018 8:00:04 GMT
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Post by pantherlee on Apr 26, 2018 8:00:04 GMT
Yes. Any one of 5 eihl teams could have won the super final that year ... So why didn’t Sheffield win it last year then. Did the standard all of sudden go up several leagues worth. How about all the othe years when no other British team has won it
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Apr 26, 2018 8:02:55 GMT
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Post by jd on Apr 26, 2018 8:02:55 GMT
Yes. Any one of 5 eihl teams could have won the super final that year ... So why didn’t Sheffield win it last year then. Did the standard all of sudden go up several leagues worth. How about all the othe years when no other British team has won it That was probably Neilson’s fault as well
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Apr 26, 2018 8:15:32 GMT
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Post by iginla on Apr 26, 2018 8:15:32 GMT
Yes. Any one of 5 eihl teams could have won the super final that year ... So why didn’t Sheffield win it last year then. Did the standard all of sudden go up several leagues worth. How about all the othe years when no other British team has won it Go and have a look at past winners of the Conti cup or look who used to play in it compared to now. There is no comparison whatsoever. Plus British teams used to play in it with only 3 lines,10 or so imports and about 16 players. The EIHL standard has gone up and the opposition come down dramatically in the last few years. Even Miika didn’t rate it as much of a win in one particular interview and he wasn’t the only one.
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Apr 26, 2018 8:16:48 GMT
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Post by jd on Apr 26, 2018 8:16:48 GMT
So why didn’t Sheffield win it last year then. Did the standard all of sudden go up several leagues worth. How about all the othe years when no other British team has won it Go and have a look at past winners of the Conti cup or look who used to play in it compared to now. There is no comparison whatsoever. Plus British teams used to play in it with only 3 lines,10 or so imports and about 16 players. The EIHL standard has gone up and the opposition come down dramatically in the last few years. Even Miika didn’t rate it as much of a win in one particular interview and he wasn’t the only one. So why didn’t Sheffield win it?
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Apr 26, 2018 8:25:34 GMT
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Post by iginla on Apr 26, 2018 8:25:34 GMT
Go and have a look at past winners of the Conti cup or look who used to play in it compared to now. There is no comparison whatsoever. Plus British teams used to play in it with only 3 lines,10 or so imports and about 16 players. The EIHL standard has gone up and the opposition come down dramatically in the last few years. Even Miika didn’t rate it as much of a win in one particular interview and he wasn’t the only one. So why didn’t Sheffield win it? Their opposition was a bit stronger and Steelers were a poor ish team who didn’t turn up in their first game. If they had they would have won it comfortably.
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Apr 26, 2018 8:59:13 GMT
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Post by pantherlee on Apr 26, 2018 8:59:13 GMT
So why didn’t Sheffield win it? Their opposition was a bit stronger and Steelers were a poor ish team who didn’t turn up in their first game. If they had they would have won it comfortably. Not really. Both teams played Ritten and both played a team from the Kazakhstan league so not much difference and if we can beat teams like Bern and TPS in the CHL i'd expect Steelers to be able to beat them. We were a poor ish team too when we won it
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Apr 26, 2018 8:59:19 GMT
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Post by jd on Apr 26, 2018 8:59:19 GMT
So why didn’t Sheffield win it? Their opposition was a bit stronger and Steelers were a poor ish team who didn’t turn up in their first game. If they had they would have won it comfortably. Lol, so it’s not that easy then
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Apr 26, 2018 9:19:45 GMT
Post by Rob Scott on Apr 26, 2018 9:19:45 GMT
For the 2016/17 season Neilson was told by Mr Black win a trophy,any trophy and you’re back. Once they’d won the Conti Cup that was it,foot off the gas, job done and didn’t give a toss for the rest of that season. Never again should NB tell a coach that ! He wasn't told to win any trophy. His objective was to forge a successful Euro campaign. Which was achieved big style. The league has almost always been the big failing, it's hardly ever been the main objective. Mr Black stated in a Q&A that the league is the number 1 priority every season.
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Apr 26, 2018 9:29:02 GMT
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Post by Caesar on Apr 26, 2018 9:29:02 GMT
I wish people would stop belittling our Continental Cup win. There were 3 other decent teams in that final, not CHL quality but so what? Odense probably didnt have the depth we had but their first line was quality. Id have taken Tony Romano off them in a heartbeat. The Kazakhs could consider themselves unlucky that weekend, all 3 of their games went to OT, could have won all of them and, for me, they were the best team we faced in the whole competition. They didnt have a top line, a grinding line, etc. They had 4 relentless lines that that were very very quick.i liked them. Ritten were on a par with us, but, we did them over, in their own barn, in front of some very vocal fans, for all the marbles. Sheffield played them in a neutral venue this year with nothing at stake and won 2-0. Wow
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Apr 26, 2018 9:55:14 GMT
Post by Rob Scott on Apr 26, 2018 9:55:14 GMT
I wish people would stop belittling our Continental Cup win. There were 3 other decent teams in that final, not CHL quality but so what? Odense probably didnt have the depth we had but their girst line was quality. Id have taken Tony Romano off the in a heartbeat. The Kazakhs could consider themselves unlucky that weekend, all 3 of their games went to OT, could have won all of them and, for me, they wete the best team we faced in the whole competition. They didnt have a top line, a grinding line, etc. They had 4 relentless lines that that were very very quick.i liked them. Ritten were on a par with us, but, we did them over, in their own barn, in front of some very vocal fans, for all the marbles. Sheffield played them in a neutral venue this year with nothing at stake and won 2-0. Wow Unfortunately the fact that we had yet another ridiculously poor league campaign that season does lend some weight to the arguments of people who want to say that it wasn't a massive accomplishment to win the Continental Cup.
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Apr 26, 2018 10:08:36 GMT
Post by Jord v4 on Apr 26, 2018 10:08:36 GMT
He wasn't told to win any trophy. His objective was to forge a successful Euro campaign. Which was achieved big style. The league has almost always been the big failing, it's hardly ever been the main objective. Mr Black stated in a Q&A that the league is the number 1 priority every season. You of all people Rob should know that anything said at the Q&A can be twisted to suit the cause.
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