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Post by mardibum on Feb 2, 2018 15:27:35 GMT
Didn't go to the game the other night. Had a quick flick through the social media sites and thought that these folks who post selfies and inane platitudes are bread and butter to NB. They seem to have no grasp of reality and treat the game as just a social night out. They can't actually have any passion for the team or they wouldn't be so happy clappy (sorry to use that overused phrase again, but it fits).
Just like my grandson says, "All the gear - no idea!"
Whilst these "fans" are in the majority (and I think they are) nothing will change. I sincerely hope that someone on here can get something going and rally the true supporters, but everybody seems to have a different idea on what direction this should take .... "I'm not going to join the Supporters Trust - but I think it's a good idea", "I'm not doing the players profile thing - nobody will listen"
Divided we might not fall ... but we'll get nowt done either!
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Post by simonm on Feb 2, 2018 15:43:46 GMT
There are a lot more fans here to make the players feel it. That works both ways, a hell of a lot more adoration when they look up into the crowd. But if they want less fans they're going about it the right way. |
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Post by pantherdman on Feb 2, 2018 19:57:45 GMT
The problem is, Saturday will still be near sell out, say we lose 10-0, lose 10-0 midweek, lose every game of the season 10-0, it will still be near sell out for the last Saturday game of the season.
Yet we were beating some of Europe’s best mid week and it’s half empty.
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Post by iginla on Feb 2, 2018 20:03:11 GMT
Have to agree with Tex here. There's no pressure to perform in Nottingham, because there's no consequence of under-performance, either from within the club, or imparted in any meaningful sense from the fanbase. I have to disagree, you only need to look through this forum to see the pressure is on to perform. I don't think there is any great pressure whatsoever on Neilson at Panthers,other than from disillusioned fans. He should thank his lucky stars he isn't coaching in Sheffield. Because if he was then he would know what pressure is,because their fans would vote with their feet,their management would certainly do something about it and sack him. In Sheffield,he would have got the bullet at least three years ago and probably well before that ! |
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Post by simonm on Feb 2, 2018 22:21:08 GMT
The irony is that when we got our new arena, you lot were the happy clappy supporters who I detested.....
Oh how the wheel turns.
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Post by iginla on Feb 2, 2018 22:29:49 GMT
The irony is that when we got our new arena, you lot were the happy clappy supporters who I detested..... Oh how the wheel turns. Pardon ? 🤔 |
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Post by ted logan on Feb 2, 2018 23:42:53 GMT
The irony is that when we got our new arena, you lot were the happy clappy supporters who I detested..... Oh how the wheel turns. Pardon ? 🤔 Seconded. Define ‘you lot’. Then explain why you detested ‘us lot’. |
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Post by simonm on Feb 3, 2018 9:50:39 GMT
You lot = those people who never watched hockey in the old barn.
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Post by ted logan on Feb 3, 2018 10:46:22 GMT
You lot = those people who never watched hockey in the old barn. Startling (laughingly incorrect) assumption. |
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Post by iginla on Feb 3, 2018 11:31:58 GMT
You lot = those people who never watched hockey in the old barn. Wow There's a chap here who thinks I'm a happy clapper. Mmmm I've been called a few things,but never one of those before. 😳😂😂 I don't think so ! |
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Post by simonm on Feb 3, 2018 12:01:37 GMT
I didn't say you specifically....
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 3, 2018 12:16:19 GMT
Old barn or new barn we’ve all been happy clappers at some point. When we walk through the door for the first time and it grips us we become enthused. We are happy to clap everything because we don’t yet have the understanding that only comes with watching a number of games over a number of seasons. Once we’ve mastered the intricacies of the game we then come to the Panthers ‘organisation’ and once you understand how that works you become cynical. I reserve my distain for those who watch year after year seemingly oblivious to our repeated faults and it has nothing to do with old/new barn.
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Post by simonm on Feb 3, 2018 12:29:32 GMT
Now that I agree with....
The talk of the organisation not being interested in the supporters opinion because rightly or wrongly they believe that there'll be another 6000 supporters turning up, just takes me back to those early days of the new arena.
The irony is that a lot of our experienced supporters now criticising happy clappers are those same people that were my happy clappers... Those people that the organisation used to stick two fingers up at experienced supporters.
I don't know the answer to supporters being ignored by our organisations confidence in punters turning up week after week regardless of the product delivered.
But I do recognise the irony.
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Post by texpef on Feb 3, 2018 14:27:34 GMT
Old barn or new barn we’ve all been happy clappers at some point. When we walk through the door for the first time and it grips us we become enthused. We are happy to clap everything because we don’t yet have the understanding that only comes with watching a number of games over a number of seasons. Once we’ve mastered the intricacies of the game we then come to the Panthers ‘organisation’ and once you understand how that works you become cynical. I reserve my distain for those who watch year after year seemingly oblivious to our repeated faults and it has nothing to do with old/new barn. All very true as far as I'm concerned however this does not cover all fans. There are fans who go to the panthers purely as a night out, an escape as you will from modern life drudgery, for 3 hours then can focus on something that they consider trivial and then once over go back to the "real world", all very matrix i know. For these its not about results its escapism and its hard to criticise this point of view and most likely a good majority (along with the new initiates) who were clapping along to another poor performance... As stated numerous times i have come around the "Sheffield" way of thinking (need to wash my mouth now) and its about results for me. This is a so called professional hockey club and as such the emphasis should be on winning otherwise just go play amateur where results don't matter. Can you imagine Man u saying oh well we over trained or had bus legs if they lost or what about Pittsburgh penguins accepting an 8 game losing streak or 13 losses in 15 games? Think they would have done NOTHING apart from release a player who they didn't replace for over a month? As stated i voted with my wallet but i do understand others that haven't i guess we will see if enough decide enough is enough and forces the club to adopt a more win at all costs attitude most of the fans i know are crying out for.. |
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Post by simonm on Feb 3, 2018 14:40:12 GMT
Even those punters that attend purely for entertainment can recognise a poor return for their outlay.
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 3, 2018 14:56:37 GMT
People do go for a variety of reasons that's a fact. I guess they’re split into categories that we can speculate on but we’ll never be able to quantify the numbers within those categories with any degree of certainty. I’m not sure it’s even worth debating the type of fans or their numbers to be fair since the only category the management structure are concerned with is the profits column.
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Post by iginla on Feb 3, 2018 15:05:59 GMT
When i criticised Panthers in a conversation a couple of years ago directly with a member of the Panthers management i was told....
“That’s exactly how it works,lose fans but there will always be another along in a minute,we are only scratching the surface”.
I kid you not,that’s 100% true !
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 3, 2018 15:11:10 GMT
That doesn’t surprise me in the slightest.
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Post by simonm on Feb 3, 2018 15:19:09 GMT
Oh yeah the attitude towards fans changed overnight once we moved into the arena... Previously we had a sell out each week of 3600 of regular supporters. But the organisation couldn't reach anymore people even if they wanted too. If you were new and wanted to watch a game the only way was to que up on a Sunday morning at the stadium or gamble that there'd be a spare ticket on the steps on matchnight ... And season tickets were a dream, being told that if I put my name down my grandkids would have them they were coming up that infrequently.
In my mind i see it that the organisation is safe as long as we have a large turn over of people attending... That way there are no large quantity of fans to unite in protest.
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Post by spik on Feb 3, 2018 17:21:43 GMT
I'm assuming that not all the people calling the Panthers for the apathy towards fans at the moment are NOT in the Suppertors Trust.
Thereby it's not the evil Trust that is to be feared. It's more broad than thought.
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Post by simonm on Feb 3, 2018 17:24:54 GMT
Good assumption.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 18:24:51 GMT
Oh yeah the attitude towards fans changed overnight once we moved into the arena... Previously we had a sell out each week of 3600 of regular supporters. But the organisation couldn't reach anymore people even if they wanted too. If you were new and wanted to watch a game the only way was to que up on a Sunday morning at the stadium or gamble that there'd be a spare ticket on the steps on matchnight ... And season tickets were a dream, being told that if I put my name down my grandkids would have them they were coming up that infrequently. In my mind i see it that the organisation is safe as long as we have a large turn over of people attending... That way there are no large quantity of fans to unite in protest. No way did LPS hold 3,600, take a thousand (ish) off & you'd be about right. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 18:25:07 GMT
Oh yeah the attitude towards fans changed overnight once we moved into the arena... Previously we had a sell out each week of 3600 of regular supporters. But the organisation couldn't reach anymore people even if they wanted too. If you were new and wanted to watch a game the only way was to que up on a Sunday morning at the stadium or gamble that there'd be a spare ticket on the steps on matchnight ... And season tickets were a dream, being told that if I put my name down my grandkids would have them they were coming up that infrequently. In my mind i see it that the organisation is safe as long as we have a large turn over of people attending... That way there are no large quantity of fans to unite in protest. No way did LPS hold 3,600, take a thousand (ish) off & you'd be about right. |
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Post by simonm on Feb 3, 2018 18:34:52 GMT
Oh well if you know better... If course we could do the maths.
I know a better way..... !
Could someone with an IHNR upload a photo from a match report of the attendance figures.
I'd have to go in the loft.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 3, 2018 18:59:34 GMT
Wiki (yeah yeah I know) says the stadium had a 2800 capacity for hockey.
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