dp
Jim Keyes
Posts: 966
|
Post by dp on Jan 26, 2018 21:43:22 GMT
Amidst the increasingly poor, increasingly bizarre articles about Panthers' season, this is surely the cream of the crop. This is Corey explaining the standard pre-Christmas demise this season. In summary, his explanation is that it's not because of injuries and...well, that's about it. The best he seems to come up with is that "Nottingham is Nottingham". Anybody any idea what that means? I'm not sure what this article was getting at, but I wish Matt Davies would either push for answers and be a proper journalist or not bother at all. This type of article serves no purpose other than the further bemusement and confusion of fans. www.nottinghampost.com/sport/other-sport/injuries-cost-recent-years-dont-1126366
|
|
BigLad
David Clarke
TWITTER: @AntMJ11
Posts: 3,585
|
Post by BigLad on Jan 26, 2018 22:27:16 GMT
Amidst the increasingly poor, increasingly bizarre articles about Panthers' season, this is surely the cream of the crop. This is Corey explaining the standard pre-Christmas demise this season. In summary, his explanation is that it's not because of injuries and...well, that's about it. The best he seems to come up with is that "Nottingham is Nottingham". Anybody any idea what that means? I'm not sure what this article was getting at, but I wish Matt Davies would either push for answers and be a proper journalist or not bother at all. This type of article serves no purpose other than the further bemusement and confusion of fans. www.nottinghampost.com/sport/other-sport/injuries-cost-recent-years-dont-1126366Yes he says "Nottingham is Nottingham" then follows it with... In other words, when you play for Nottingham the pressure is there to win every night. Makes sense to me.
|
|
iginla
Chick Zamick
Posts: 13,422
|
Post by iginla on Jan 26, 2018 22:50:51 GMT
Totally agree. It's a typical Matt Davies article,a lot of hot air,but says nothing and about as much use as the Posts general info and match reports transcribed directly from the club website. Where is the occaisional hard hitting article that tells it how it is,written without fear of upsetting GM....that's what proper journalists do !
As for Neilson,well basically he hasn't got a clue,but if he can't work it out after ten years,he never will. The club lurches from one league disaster to another and poor old Corey will never get it right until he learns how to build a team properly. He forever bangs on about pieces of jigsaws,but can never put the puzzle together.
He's tried the teams of loads of old boys and it doesn't work,he's tried the 3 import D and it doesn't work,he's tried the flash Harry's and it doesn't work,he's tried the young roster and it doesn't work. Every season we've seen it at the start and very early every year in the league you can see gaping holes in the roster. Not enough goals,not enough grit or toughness,not enough skill,short on defence,poor goalie etc etc etc. It just amazes me how Corey can't see it and never reacts to it until far too late.
Either Corey is a very poor recruiter,or the Panthers have such a bad reputation that we struggle to recruit players,certainly the right players. God only knows where we would be if it wasn't for David Ling and Brampton Beast !
A team has to have a good goalie to start with. In this league you've got to have at least 4 if not 5 import D,at least two skilled and two tough stay homers. A wind up merchant,a Bruce Richardson or a Finnerty. Got to have a couple of good powerplay guys. Scorers,snipers,without goals you win nothing. A killer passer or two,a Ling,Galbraith,Kolnik guy. A couple of big power forwards who hit. Centres,proper centres,not converted wingers. A top line,a proper top line that kills teams,not four almost equal lines,none of which are anything special. Speed,without it your going to struggle on the big ice. Experience and youth,but not one without the other. New plays,after ten years of the same old same old,everybody knows what you do. Settled lines,stop bloody messing with them so often. Continuity,you need it,but we sign too many players who either don't want to stay or choose to retire,Simmsey is right,Nottingham is a retirement home for hockey players.
Yet every year,every bloody year Neilson goes too far one way or the other,it's either too old or too young. No killer passers,or no goals scorers,not enough toughness etc etc. He cracked it once and built a team,albeit a team based on David Ling,because take him out of that team and we didn't win the league. Then having been close to the blueprint,what did he do the next year......yep ripped it up and went with a completely different and very badly built team full of terrible no hopers....madness !
It's not just Corey though. The whole ethos of the club is wrong,Nottingham is Notiingham,because it's a holiday camp,Thommo was right it's Team Hollywood. Nobody gets pushed hard until it's too late,there's no apparent pressure,nobody is in fear of their job,there's no desperation to win like there is in Sheffield and Cardiff.
It needs to change,because if it doesn't,in the words of Corey "Nottingham will always be Nottingham".....4th or 5th best !!!!
|
|
|
Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jan 27, 2018 0:04:12 GMT
Long and short of the article - which I think Matt Davies is slowly doing, like with the article where Ling said he wanted to come back - is exposing Neilson.
He basically asks why the slump every December and Neilson can’t answer it. Not only that but Neilson evens admits to not paying attention to the annual slump...
Quote: “I haven’t combed through the results over the last however many years,”
IMO Davies is doing a good job at showing us what we all know!
|
|
iginla
Chick Zamick
Posts: 13,422
|
Post by iginla on Jan 27, 2018 10:32:30 GMT
Long and short of the article - which I think Matt Davies is slowly doing, like with the article where Ling said he wanted to come back - is exposing Neilson. He basically asks why the slump every December and Neilson can’t answer it. Not only that but Neilson evens admits to not paying attention to the annual slump... Quote: “I haven’t combed through the results over the last however many years,” IMO Davies is doing a good job at showing us what we all know! Neilson should have combed through the results and found the answers by now. In my opinion,it’s down to bad recruiting and players slacking off when they’ve been here a while and realise it’s a cushy number at Panthers. Meanwhile the coach they’re playing for doesn’t think motivation is his job and there’s no pressure at all on players to perform ....bad combination that ! Results slump badly every year. A job gets threatened eventually but far too late,results pick up a little, before the season tails away into a lowly 4th or 5th place finish. Hopefully,now we’ve given Matt Davies a clue as to what the problem is,maybe he can write it into an article. Especially as most of his similar articles stem from what he’s read and pinched from the “cage” !
|
|
|
Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jan 27, 2018 10:39:50 GMT
Long and short of the article - which I think Matt Davies is slowly doing, like with the article where Ling said he wanted to come back - is exposing Neilson. He basically asks why the slump every December and Neilson can’t answer it. Not only that but Neilson evens admits to not paying attention to the annual slump... Quote: “I haven’t combed through the results over the last however many years,” IMO Davies is doing a good job at showing us what we all know! Neilson should have combed through the results and found the answers by now. In my opinion,it’s down to bad recruiting and players slacking off when they’ve been here a while and realise it’s a cushy number at Panthers. Meanwhile the coach they’re playing for doesn’t think motivation is his job and there’s no pressure at all on players to perform ....bad combination that ! Results slump badly every year. A job gets threatened eventually but far too late,results pick up a little, before the season tails away into a lowly 4th or 5th place finish. Hopefully,now we’ve given Matt Davies a clue as to what the problem is,maybe he can write it into an article. Especially as most of his similar articles stem from what he’s read and pinched from the “cage” ! Exactly that. It’s incredible really that Neilson can be so flippant towards an annual trend that loses the organisation the main EIHL trophy. ...Imagine getting all the way to the playoff final for the last 5 years and losing it 10-0 each time. You’d sure look into why it happens every year, so why not when we lose 10 games every Christmas period? As for Matt Davies, he’s doing what he can. If he went in hard on the club and started digging, they’d shut the door on him! As it is, he’s asking perfectly simple and open questions that are consistently showing Neilson to be a buffoon.
|
|
shinobi
Randall Weber
Forum Dictator
Posts: 4,728
|
Post by shinobi on Jan 27, 2018 12:46:21 GMT
“I haven’t combed through the results over the last however many years,” If that’s the case, I’m genuinely surprised...
|
|
iginla
Chick Zamick
Posts: 13,422
|
Post by iginla on Jan 27, 2018 12:59:52 GMT
“I haven’t combed through the results over the last however many years,” If that’s the case, I’m genuinely surprised... I’m totally amazed he hasn’t. If I was Panthers coach I’d be asking players during the season and especially in end of season exit meetings exactly why they felt it happened. Over a couple of seasons and certainly over TEN years a recurring theme would very soon become apparent !
|
|
Mark
Randall Weber
Experience has taught me that when it really matters the only person you can rely on is yourself.
Posts: 4,616
|
Post by Mark on Jan 27, 2018 14:11:09 GMT
Depressing really. We’ve got an annual problem that kills our league challenge every season and all we get is, “Nottingham is Nottingham.” Is that tacit acknowledgement that this problem will never go away? Acceptance of the inevitable? There seems to be very little pressure on certain individuals is this kind of tripe goes without question. But hey, another bumper crowd tonight so everything is rosy in profit driven Pantherland.
|
|
|
Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jan 27, 2018 14:24:28 GMT
“I haven’t combed through the results over the last however many years,” If that’s the case, I’m genuinely surprised... Surprised? It happens every year, we’re never prepared for it and new players always arrive in late January... I can’t say I’m surprised to hear Neilson hasn’t bothered the look back and learn!
|
|
iginla
Chick Zamick
Posts: 13,422
|
Post by iginla on Jan 27, 2018 14:38:17 GMT
If that’s the case, I’m genuinely surprised... Surprised? It happens every year, we’re never prepared for it and new players always arrive in late January... I can’t say I’m surprised to hear Neilson hasn’t bothered the look back and learn! I guess you're right actually,we shouldn't be surprised.....because Corey just never seems to learn any previous lessons !
|
|
simonm
Pat Casey
Banned
100%
Posts: 220
|
Post by simonm on Jan 27, 2018 14:42:02 GMT
If you don't learn from your past mistakes you're destined to repeat them. With regards the make up of the team if the cage members supported the player profile topic thecageforum.proboards.com/thread/19615/player-profileI reckon we could easily expose the weaknesses and strengths of the current squad of players and help in understanding the players to retain and bring in to achieve a certain style of team for the following season.. We're often accused of moaning on here however I genuinely believe with input from enough supporters meaningful results could be achieved. We could lead the way in this.... It's up to you, us.
|
|
grrm
Pat Casey
Posts: 223
|
Post by grrm on Feb 2, 2018 10:45:47 GMT
I'm sure some of the Panthers organisation do take a sneaky peek at the Cage to see what the real world actually looks like.
So if you're employed by Panthers and you're reading this then this is what I feel (and I suspect many many fans feel):
We can take losing, we really can; but we expect this club to be challenging for the league every year (not sitting in 7th place in Feb when the coach told us before the season started that "we are laser focussed on the league". That is not acceptable and the fans who have spent hard earned money deserve to hear why such a disaster has taken place and what will be done to prevent it happening in the future and this should come from the owner / general manager. Silence on this is not acceptable.
The fans expect the Panthers management and players to be passionate about this club and to show some passion when they go about their jobs. The lack of passion from virtually all connected with the club is simply astonishing and is fundamental in why this club is having yet another very poor league season - SHOW US THE PASSION please!
We have very little if any charisma within the team / management and someone like Cam who had charisma and passion is sorely missed, but I could live without the charisma if we just saw the passion.
The fans are sick to the back teeth of the constant BS that comes from within the organisation; sure try to be positive, but to be in denial about the woeful performances is an insult. We need to see players / coaches / management coming out and admitting that "they", not someone else, is to blame, that “they” could and should have done better and that “they” wouldn't expect to keep their jobs if “they” don't improve. We want accountability, we want passion, we want the league title.
Over to you Panthers.
|
|
iginla
Chick Zamick
Posts: 13,422
|
Post by iginla on Feb 2, 2018 10:56:04 GMT
Very true. I’d like Corey to explain in more detail too exactly what he means by his “Nottingham is Nottingham” quote. What does he mean by that,is it some sort of dig at somebody or just another one of his ever growing list of excuses ?
|
|
Karl
Jade Galbraith
Posts: 98
|
Post by Karl on Feb 2, 2018 11:27:22 GMT
Very true. I’d like Corey to explain in more detail too exactly what he means by his “Nottingham is Nottingham” quote. What does he mean by that,is it some sort of dig at somebody or just another one of his ever growing list of excuses ? I took it as the pressure is on in Nottingham to perform. Which it absolutely is and should be.
|
|
|
Post by jd on Feb 2, 2018 12:00:41 GMT
Sounds to me like CN is done - nice guy, has brought us a lot of silverware but not the main one enough.
|
|
|
Post by texpef on Feb 2, 2018 12:01:02 GMT
Very true. I’d like Corey to explain in more detail too exactly what he means by his “Nottingham is Nottingham” quote. What does he mean by that,is it some sort of dig at somebody or just another one of his ever growing list of excuses ? I took it as the pressure is on in Nottingham to perform. Which it absolutely is and should be. Is it though? Yes CN has won a few cups on the back of a run of 3/4 games but seriously a club with as much money as the panthers and a single solitary league title is it really making the players/coaches/management accountable? Since the single solitary league title what is it now? 4th 4th 5th and 4th and this season it looks like it is going to be worse than that? How is these poor runs in the league making the club accountable? In my opinion it is the easiest gig in the country, probably with some of the best facilities and there doesn't appear to be any pressure to perform and get results at all. It looks increasingly from the outside that Shalla wanted away anyway and then the club went on to save over a months wages in what was most likely one of the best earners at panthers. All this looks like from the outside, putting aside all the spin that the club are more interested in making money than having on ice success. This may or may not be true but the perception is clearly there and the club do nothing to make you think otherwise. Take this week for example we have lost brisbois, has there been any talk of bringing in a replacement because i haven't heard anything so playing short for the rest of the season, how could that possibly help us to win the league (and i know its a very very long shot). I have voted with my wallet since Christmas but i sincerely want this club to succeed and as soon as i see any change that the club want on ice success as much as their bank balance then i will be back but whilst we just get spin rather than change its a pretty simple choice for me at least anyway....
|
|
|
Post by spik on Feb 2, 2018 12:38:52 GMT
We have the facilities but are we using them well. We have the support but clearly don't want to connect with them. We have the money (when used) but counter this with savings and Europe importance and short Cup runs over anything else....so, this is Nottingham or should I say GMB.
|
|
Yotes
Forum Admin
Posts: 16,408
|
Post by Yotes on Feb 2, 2018 12:58:39 GMT
I took it as the pressure is on in Nottingham to perform. Which it absolutely is and should be. Have to agree with Tex here. There's no pressure to perform in Nottingham, because there's no consequence of under-performance, either from within the club, or imparted in any meaningful sense from the fanbase.
|
|
Karl
Jade Galbraith
Posts: 98
|
Post by Karl on Feb 2, 2018 13:27:02 GMT
I took it as the pressure is on in Nottingham to perform. Which it absolutely is and should be. Have to agree with Tex here. There's no pressure to perform in Nottingham, because there's no consequence of under-performance, either from within the club, or imparted in any meaningful sense from the fanbase. I have to disagree, you only need to look through this forum to see the pressure is on to perform.
|
|
Yotes
Forum Admin
Posts: 16,408
|
Post by Yotes on Feb 2, 2018 13:35:04 GMT
That's why I said meaningful sense Does it really matter a jot if they get a bad press on here, or Twitter, or Facebook if at the next game there are 5-6 thousand in the stands?
|
|
Higgy
Les Strongman
Posts: 5,293
|
Post by Higgy on Feb 2, 2018 13:42:03 GMT
Have to agree with Tex here. There's no pressure to perform in Nottingham, because there's no consequence of under-performance, either from within the club, or imparted in any meaningful sense from the fanbase. I have to disagree, you only need to look through this forum to see the pressure is on to perform. You only have to listen to the way Galbraith was sarcastically jeered after that mistake on Wednesday to note there is pressure from the stands as well. The collective groan when someone mishandles the puck or gives it away I assume is what Corey means.
|
|
|
Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 2, 2018 13:44:58 GMT
Have to agree with Tex here. There's no pressure to perform in Nottingham, because there's no consequence of under-performance, either from within the club, or imparted in any meaningful sense from the fanbase. I have to disagree, you only need to look through this forum to see the pressure is on to perform. Only if the players read the comments on the cage or those who post here give voice to their negative feelings in the arena. I personally am disillusioned but have never booed a player ever.
|
|
Yotes
Forum Admin
Posts: 16,408
|
Post by Yotes on Feb 2, 2018 13:47:25 GMT
You only have to listen to the way Galbraith was sarcastically jeered after that mistake on Wednesday to note there is pressure from the stands as well. The collective groan when someone mishandles the puck or gives it away I assume is what Corey means. Hardly unique to Nottingham though? Par for the course as a professional sportsperson I would think.
|
|
Higgy
Les Strongman
Posts: 5,293
|
Post by Higgy on Feb 2, 2018 14:38:09 GMT
You only have to listen to the way Galbraith was sarcastically jeered after that mistake on Wednesday to note there is pressure from the stands as well. The collective groan when someone mishandles the puck or gives it away I assume is what Corey means. Hardly unique to Nottingham though? Par for the course as a professional sportsperson I would think. Oh I agree it's just what I assume Corey means when he thinks of pressure. There are a lot more fans here to make the players feel it.
|
|