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Post by grrm on Nov 26, 2017 19:25:44 GMT
Very frustrating but at least we haven't lost in regulation for a while and gained another valuable point. And that is key !! And that is also very dangerous. Being level as the end of third period approaches means one slip and you finish the game with zero points. We need to start burying teams so the two points are assured.
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Post by shinobi on Nov 26, 2017 19:41:58 GMT
We lost We move onto next weekend!! Can someone tell me if you get more points if you win in regulation ? Absolutely. Consign it to history & move on to the next game.
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Post by Mark on Nov 26, 2017 19:48:44 GMT
A salutary lesson in not stepping off the gas. The Panthers coasted the last period and didn’t show Fife enough respect. Fife deservedly made them pay.
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Post by grrm on Nov 26, 2017 19:50:34 GMT
Move on absolutely, but start learning from what has just gone before. Do you think Corey and the players are happy with today's result? Of course they're not, but they won't and shouldn't be "just moving on to the next game" they need to learn to bury teams and stop taking their foot of the gas.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Nov 26, 2017 20:09:39 GMT
I don't know about taking our foot off the gas. Final period, defending a lead, you have to play a different game, block off the passing lanes and try to catch them on the break.. for all our experience we couldnt do that. And I feel we need a more creative forward,we have too many of the same type.
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Post by wgray on Nov 26, 2017 20:19:50 GMT
The fact that we only scored 1 goal in 50 mins after scoring 3 in 10 mins proves that we took our foot of the gas. That play in OT was terrible as well, very unlike Sauve.
As has been said let’s not go over the top, yes the manner of the defeat was disappointing but the players, and especially the coaches, have to and will start learning to crush teams when they are ahead in this league. Ourselves and Cardiff have both had 3 goal leads and lost against Fife, we need to sustain the high intensity for the full 60 and ensure victory.
They have the perfect opportunity next weekend to correct tonight’s mistakes, I’m sure they won’t let us down.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 26, 2017 20:25:48 GMT
I thought Fife were pretty good, offensively at least. Kept going well too. Can see why they've had good results.
Still, should be winning from 3-0 and 4-1.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 26, 2017 20:41:44 GMT
Why no Brisebois today? Injured?
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Post by kievthegreat on Nov 26, 2017 20:43:52 GMT
You get the same if you win, but less if you lose! Oh right . Have you checked the league table lately? Looks pretty healthy to me . Its all good when we get the OT Wins, but the fact so many games go to OT, usually from a lead, should be a sign not to rest on our laurels. Let me be clear, when we're at full throttle I don't think there a team in the league that can stop us. My niggling (not major) concern is coasting when we've got an early lead. I'd be interested to see our period scoring record. Might even be tempted to work it out if none of the resident stattos have it to hand.
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Post by kievthegreat on Nov 26, 2017 20:47:47 GMT
I thought Fife were pretty good, offensively at least. Kept going well too. Can see why they've had good results. Still, should be winning from 3-0 and 4-1. I thought they look a bit lightweight and their D coughed up some good chances. However they looked dangerous going forward and as soon as the 3rd went in I fancied them to tie it. Maybe not with such an unusual goal/bounce though.
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 26, 2017 20:49:25 GMT
That play in OT was terrible as well, very unlike Sauve. On the contrary... that looked very like Sauve to me. He's great at scoring, but he doesn't half make a load of cockerel-ups and giveaways. An extremely frustrating player.
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Post by grrm on Nov 26, 2017 20:58:05 GMT
The fact that we only scored 1 goal in 50 mins after scoring 3 in 10 mins proves that we took our foot of the gas. That play in OT was terrible as well, very unlike Sauve. As has been said let’s not go over the top, yes the manner of the defeat was disappointing but the players, and especially the coaches, have to and will start learning to crush teams when they are ahead in this league. Ourselves and Cardiff have both had 3 goal leads and lost against Fife, we need to sustain the high intensity for the full 60 and ensure victory. They have the perfect opportunity next weekend to correct tonight’s mistakes, I’m sure they won’t let us down. Spot on, going into the final 10 minutes of a game with just a small lead is a very dangerous way to try to win the league. We have been lucky to win so many after going into overtime, just like tonight we won't always be so lucky. Even worse we could easily not actually make it to overtime! Time to start truly seeing this team potential on a regular basis, not just one period a game.
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Post by wgray on Nov 26, 2017 21:01:38 GMT
That play in OT was terrible as well, very unlike Sauve. On the contrary... that looked very like Sauve to me. He's great at scoring, but he doesn't half make a load of cockerel-ups and giveaways. An extremely frustrating player. a frustrating player but a vital one. I know he takes risks but he’s not made any other mistakes on that scale so far imo
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Post by Shorty on Nov 26, 2017 21:03:51 GMT
Same at Cardiff tonight. Leading and concede with five seconds left, and then lose on penalty shots.
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Post by kievthegreat on Nov 26, 2017 21:18:23 GMT
Games that have gone to OT, what the lead or deficit was and how many goals were 3rd period:
Guildford 16/09 - Gave up 1 goal lead (3rd period goal) @guildford 24/09 - Gave up 2 goal lead (all 3rd period) @sheffield 14/10 - Gave up 2 goal lead (1 3rd period goal) Milton Keynes 28/10 - Came back from 2 goals down Guildford 03/11 - Gave up 1 goal lead @belfast 15/11 - Gave up 2 goal lead (all 3rd period) Fife 26/11/17 - Gave up 3 goal lead (all 3rd period)
Additionally, tonight against Fife, away to Sheffield & Guildford the equalising goals were all in the last 2 minutes of the 3rd period.
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Post by iginla on Nov 26, 2017 21:22:04 GMT
That play in OT was terrible as well, very unlike Sauve. On the contrary... that looked very like Sauve to me. He's great at scoring, but he doesn't half make a load of cockerel-ups and giveaways. An extremely frustrating player. I agree Shaggy. Class player a lot of the time,but makes too many bad mistakes by trying to be too clever and overplaying the puck. Almost as if at times he thinks he’s too good for this league and takes other teams players a bit lightly. The story of tonight I’m afraid. Thought we had it won at 3-0 and THE FANS were just as guilty as the players of the same fault.
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Post by John Casey on Nov 26, 2017 22:00:15 GMT
I thought that when it was 3-0, that this was the game where we would hammer a team instead we got the game where a team we let off the hook come back to take the points.
I've officially given up on understanding the Icing rule, to call an Icing when Clarke was clearly going to get to the puck 1st to me was quite frankly ludicrous.
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Post by iginla on Nov 26, 2017 22:13:37 GMT
I thought that when it was 3-0, that this was the game where we would hammer a team instead we got the game where a team we let off the hook come back to take the points. I've officially given up on understanding the Icing rule, to call an Icing when Clarke was clearly going to get to the puck 1st to me was quite frankly ludicrous. I thought the same and it sounded like 5000 others thought the same too. At 3-0 the players and the fans just switched off. A poor show from both parties tonight.
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Post by kievthegreat on Nov 26, 2017 22:17:04 GMT
I thought that when it was 3-0, that this was the game where we would hammer a team instead we got the game where a team we let off the hook come back to take the points. I've officially given up on understanding the Icing rule, to call an Icing when Clarke was clearly going to get to the puck 1st to me was quite frankly ludicrous. I thought the same and it sounded like 5000 others thought the same too. At 3-0 the players and the fans just switched off. A poor show from both parties tonight. Looked to me like it was the far linesman who made that call (not sure why), not the one closest and you're right, he made an absolute hash of it.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 26, 2017 22:17:47 GMT
I've officially given up on understanding the Icing rule, to call an Icing when Clarke was clearly going to get to the puck 1st to me was quite frankly ludicrous. The linesman immediately held his hand up, and the faceoff went to centre ice. It was a mistake, which he at least acknowledged. They weren't very good tonight though, for both sides.
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Post by Higgy on Nov 26, 2017 22:49:48 GMT
I think the linesman probably got confused for a moment with what version of icing we were using (correct me if I'm wrong) that would have been the correct call on IIHF icing? Unless they are using hybrid icing as well now?
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Post by Pies on Nov 27, 2017 6:21:17 GMT
A really frustrating night. We dropped a point here. But credit to Fife - they outworked us in that third period.
But we have to try and forget that result and move on to next weekend.
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Post by harlan on Nov 27, 2017 9:07:21 GMT
I have witnessed our comeback wins in Cardiff last week and last night and I still am not sure how we won both games
Flyers were missing Bloodoff last night and as he is our top goal scorer, as well as having amazing speed, it took a very potent threat out of our line up.
That first ten minutes had us Flyers fans thinking that this could be a repeat of last weekend in Guildford all over again as defensively we were all over the place and really should have been further behind than just the three goals but this Flyers team has shown that it never knows when it is beaten and at the second period break and at only 4-2 down we knew that we were still in with a shout.
Flyers issue, and one us fans are all too well aware of, is that Dutiaume doesn't use our Brits and that gives us not enough depth. With Bloodoff out we rotated 8 forwards last night and one of them is a converted D man and that will surely tell on us in the long run.
However we have shown that we can match anybody and that this is a team, previously we have looked like a bunch of individuals that don't always work well together. This Flyers team works well together, it has tons of grit and we wear teams down because we just don't go away.
Our last 5 games have been Coventry (A) win, Cardiff (A) win, Guildford (A) loss, Cardiff (H) loss, Nottingham (A) win and previous Fife teams would probably have picked three points from those five games. This Fife team have picked up 6 and because of that there is a real chance that Flyers will be in the mix up for the league title with the way the conferences are. It is possible that we can go the whole of conference games without loosing a game, highly unlikely but possible, as Braehead, Dundee and Edinburgh are so poor and even though Clan seem to be finding a little form just now we have already beat them three times so it is highly likely that Flyers won't loose many of our conference games and with picking up points that we aren't expected to pick up it will likely put us in the mix for the league. I don't think we will be in that position because of our depth issues but it is a possibility.
Is that three wins in a row at the NIC for Flyers now?
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Post by kievthegreat on Nov 27, 2017 9:15:33 GMT
Is that three wins in a row at the NIC for Flyers now? Only 2 wins in a row at the NIC. We split the home games last year. However Fife have won 4 of the last 5 meetings by my reckoning.
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Post by BigLad on Nov 27, 2017 12:21:47 GMT
Awful 3rd period cost us. Hope they learn from it and move on.
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