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Post by iginla on Jun 14, 2017 16:38:40 GMT
0.71ppg for the guys first season outside of North America in a non English or French speaking country, on the worst and one of the most corrupt teams in the EBEL at the time.. That's pretty good. Ljubljana aren't even in the EBEL next season either, they've dropped down to the AlpsHL, so that's an indication of how poorly run the team was. ... The roster is promising, Corey stated that the bottom 6 is practically complete and the bottom 4 D is also complete, so we should in theory be seeing some more able guys coming in now and less of the wait and see, could have potential guys, but i'm definitely not complaining about the likes of Bussieres or Mokshantsev. Agreed with these points in particular. Can see that Ljubljana were utter garbage last year and he still puts up 30 points. Not bad at all in a good league Perhaps he played 40 minutes a game if Ljubljana were that crap and that's why he got some points. We don't know do we. Brad Crukshank scored a shed load playing tons of minutes on a crap team in Basingstoke. Put him in Sheffield and it was a different story though ! Look at Tendler. In Hull he scored for fun on a poor team. Put him in a bit better team in Coventry,different story !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 16:41:36 GMT
One has to wonder why he still supports us when we are obviously so poor and there is such a good team just up the road - Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but in some cases it is obvious that they are only posting to moan, irrespective of how good or bad the team is I said Marquardt was a good signing for Steelers,because of his connection with Roy. He's a talented guy,but he seemed a bit lazy sometimes in Coventry. Roy and Thompson won't let him get away with that in Sheffield.....he will put up points there. Oh right so he was a good signing due to his connection with Roy, in other words mates ! Yet you called Panthers last year when Lawrence brought his mates in !
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Post by Yotes on Jun 14, 2017 16:51:23 GMT
Perhaps he played 40 minutes a game if Ljubljana were that crap and that's why he got some points. We don't know do we. Brad Crukshank scored a shed load playing tons of minutes on a crap team in Basingstoke. Put him in Sheffield and it was a different story though ! Look at Tendler. In Hull he scored for fun on a poor team. Put him in a bit better team in Coventry,different story ! So you can't tell the whole story from stats. But this guy is "distinctly average", based upon his stats.
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Post by Ghost on Jun 14, 2017 16:58:45 GMT
Agreed with these points in particular. Can see that Ljubljana were utter garbage last year and he still puts up 30 points. Not bad at all in a good league Perhaps he played 40 minutes a game if Ljubljana were that crap and that's why he got some points. We don't know do we. Brad Crukshank scored a shed load playing tons of minutes on a crap team in Basingstoke. Put him in Sheffield and it was a different story though ! Look at Tendler. In Hull he scored for fun on a poor team. Put him in a bit better team in Coventry,different story ! Or maybe he bought the points off his team mates. He must have, because there's no way someone so pathetically average could put up such good numbers on such a dross team.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 17:10:46 GMT
Perhaps he played 40 minutes a game if Ljubljana were that crap and that's why he got some points. We don't know do we. Brad Crukshank scored a shed load playing tons of minutes on a crap team in Basingstoke. Put him in Sheffield and it was a different story though ! Look at Tendler. In Hull he scored for fun on a poor team. Put him in a bit better team in Coventry,different story ! Or maybe he bought the points off his team mates. He must have, because there's no way someone so pathetically average could put up such good numbers on such a dross team. If the conference system had been implemented when Tendler moved to Coventry (I can't remember if it had or not) the fact he had to play Nottingham, Cardiff, Belfast & Sheffield more regularly would explain why he was so poor there.
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Post by iginla on Jun 14, 2017 17:10:48 GMT
Perhaps he played 40 minutes a game if Ljubljana were that crap and that's why he got some points. We don't know do we. Brad Crukshank scored a shed load playing tons of minutes on a crap team in Basingstoke. Put him in Sheffield and it was a different story though ! Look at Tendler. In Hull he scored for fun on a poor team. Put him in a bit better team in Coventry,different story ! So you can't tell the whole story from stats. But this guy is "distinctly average", based upon his stats. He's average,his points are average and he's played nowhere that says otherwise,apart from a poor and desperate team in Ljubljana. A good player would have jumped that ship long ago. But credit to him for sticking it out,unless he had nowhere else to go. People are telling me he isn't average. I've asked,why is he so good then and nobody can answer it.
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Post by iginla on Jun 14, 2017 17:13:57 GMT
I said Marquardt was a good signing for Steelers,because of his connection with Roy. He's a talented guy,but he seemed a bit lazy sometimes in Coventry. Roy and Thompson won't let him get away with that in Sheffield.....he will put up points there. Oh right so he was a good signing due to his connection with Roy, in other words mates ! Yet you called Panthers last year when Lawrence brought his mates in ! Pidge.there is rather a large difference between Chris Lawrence and Mathieu Roy. One is an alco drinking lazy git and the other is a true winner. I'll let you decide which is which !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 17:14:56 GMT
So you can't tell the whole story from stats. But this guy is "distinctly average", based upon his stats. People are telling me he isn't average. I've asked,why is he so good then and nobody can answer it. You are literally only reading what you want to in this thread if you actually think that's the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 17:15:10 GMT
You won't know what he's like until you've seen him play Iginla!!!
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Post by iginla on Jun 14, 2017 17:16:56 GMT
Perhaps he played 40 minutes a game if Ljubljana were that crap and that's why he got some points. We don't know do we. Brad Crukshank scored a shed load playing tons of minutes on a crap team in Basingstoke. Put him in Sheffield and it was a different story though ! Look at Tendler. In Hull he scored for fun on a poor team. Put him in a bit better team in Coventry,different story ! Or maybe he bought the points off his team mates. He must have, because there's no way someone so pathetically average could put up such good numbers on such a dross team. They aren't "good" numbers they are average. And I didn't call him "pathetically average" I said he was average.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 17:17:22 GMT
Oh right so he was a good signing due to his connection with Roy, in other words mates ! Yet you called Panthers last year when Lawrence brought his mates in ! Pidge.there is rather a large difference between Chris Lawrence and Mathieu Roy. One is an alco drinking lazy git and the other is a true winner. I'll let you decide which is which ! You he totally missed my point miles off in fact. It's not a comparison between Roy and Lawrence it's the fact both have brought their mates with them ! Roy good but doesn't mean whoever he brings in will be good.
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Post by Yotes on Jun 14, 2017 17:20:33 GMT
He was only at Ljubljana a year, hardly like he's been stuck there with no one else wanting him. People are telling me he isn't average. I've asked,why is he so good then and nobody can answer it. I'm not sure anyone has told you he's not average, I doubt any of us have a clue having not seen him play. He may well turn out to be average, or worse, but for whatever reason your immediate response is always to assume average, and bemoan it as if your assumption is therefore fact, whereas most of us retain some hope that he'll be better than that. You could at least give them a chance to disappoint you.
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Post by iginla on Jun 14, 2017 17:20:54 GMT
People are telling me he isn't average. I've asked,why is he so good then and nobody can answer it. You are literally only reading what you want to in this thread if you actually think that's the case. Tell me then. What is it about this guy that marks him out as anything other than average ? When we sign a good player I will agree he's good,but up to now,apart from Garnett,there is nothing great on Panthers roster.
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Post by iginla on Jun 14, 2017 17:30:23 GMT
Pidge.there is rather a large difference between Chris Lawrence and Mathieu Roy. One is an alco drinking lazy git and the other is a true winner. I'll let you decide which is which ! You he totally missed my point miles off in fact. It's not a comparison between Roy and Lawrence it's the fact both have brought their mates with them ! Roy good but doesn't mean whoever he brings in will be good. Big difference Pidge. Roy is a winner,he wouldn't want a lazy coaster next to him. And Thommo knows what Marquardt can do,he's seen him play a full season. Neilson had no idea on Carter other than he was a mate of a lazy git and had probably never even seen him play. But Carters stats didn't lie did they,he looked average and he was even worse than that !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 17:31:35 GMT
Iginla why don't you tell everyone on this forum the sort of player you would have as a 2nd liner ? As this is where RB will play
Such as playing history ... average points output.. even put a link up of a example off elite prospects
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 17:33:35 GMT
You he totally missed my point miles off in fact. It's not a comparison between Roy and Lawrence it's the fact both have brought their mates with them ! Roy good but doesn't mean whoever he brings in will be good. Big difference Pidge. Roy is a winner,he wouldn't want a lazy coaster next to him. And Thommo knows what Marquardt can do,he's seen him play a full season. Neilson had no idea on Carter other than he was a mate of a lazy git and had probably never even seen him play. But Carters stats didn't lie did they,he looked average and he was even worse than that ! He won't even be on the same line as Roy so that's not accurate
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 17:38:28 GMT
You are literally only reading what you want to in this thread if you actually think that's the case. Tell me then. What is it about this guy that marks him out as anything other than average ? When we sign a good player I will agree he's good,but up to now,apart from Garnett,there is nothing great on Panthers roster. I think one of the big factors on why people think he's potentially going to be good is that an NHL team made a reach to take him in the 2nd round, that means someone saw something they thought was special enough that they should take a punt on him. He's an exciting signing with a lot more upside than downside.
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Post by wgray on Jun 14, 2017 17:39:18 GMT
You are literally only reading what you want to in this thread if you actually think that's the case. Tell me then. What is it about this guy that marks him out as anything other than average ? When we sign a good player I will agree he's good,but up to now,apart from Garnett,there is nothing great on Panthers roster. he was a second round pick in the NHL. He will have some good skill sets because they don't just waste their picks on any average joe, it's an aspect of luck and a good attitude which allows them to progress to the NHL once picked. He's a promising player for us.
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Post by iginla on Jun 14, 2017 17:46:26 GMT
Tell me then. What is it about this guy that marks him out as anything other than average ? When we sign a good player I will agree he's good,but up to now,apart from Garnett,there is nothing great on Panthers roster. I think one of the big factors on why people think he's potentially going to be good is that an NHL team made a reach to take him in the 2nd round, that means someone saw something they thought was special enough that they should take a punt on him. He's an exciting signing with a lot more upside than downside. Logan Macmillan was drafted about 15th pick in the FIRST round and look how good that was !
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Post by pantherlee on Jun 14, 2017 17:47:51 GMT
You are literally only reading what you want to in this thread if you actually think that's the case. Tell me then. What is it about this guy that marks him out as anything other than average ? When we sign a good player I will agree he's good,but up to now,apart from Garnett,there is nothing great on Panthers roster. If he's a rough and tumble power forward as he's been described then the closest comparable player would be Leigh Salters, who was quite a success when he joined us and Bussieres numbers are much better Salters in the ECHL. Besides, all you've got to go on is a stat page on Elite Prospects which doesn't really tell you much does it. It doesn't tell you the type of player he is, the role he's been used in or however else he contributes to the team. Jeff Brown doesn't have a massive points output yet i would say he's a quality player as he still produces his fair share of goals and plays a hard checking game and plays with intensity. Points don't tell the whole story and we still have forward slots available for the pure snipers and playmakers
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 17:48:21 GMT
Have you found that ideal 2nd liner yet Iginla?
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Post by tootootrain on Jun 14, 2017 17:49:05 GMT
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Post by deke on Jun 14, 2017 17:50:31 GMT
Come on guys simmer down. The guy is a second line player still quite young. Looks like he could be a good player for us. Let's not dismiss him just yet. Carter was supposed to be superb link up with Lawrence and bang home the goals. He didn't. Not much to go on from his cv, got good potential let's give him a chance. We don't know who the rest of our players are going to be. Got some good players and the bones of a good team garnett should be a massive plus. Let's see what else is bought in before ending our season before the first pucks dropped.
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Post by pantherlee on Jun 14, 2017 17:52:10 GMT
Come on guys simmer down. The guy is a second line player still quite young. Looks like he could be a good player for us. Let's not dismiss him just yet. Carter was supposed to be superb link up with Lawrence and bang home the goals. He didn't. Not much to go on from his cv, got good potential let's give him a chance. We don't know who the rest of our players are going to be. Got some good players and the bones of a good team garnett should be a massive plus. Let's see what else is bought in before ending our season before the first pucks dropped. There's only one person dismissing him
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Post by PantherG on Jun 14, 2017 18:02:48 GMT
What a boring thread, someone has a negative opinion on him, let him have that opinion, no need to get into endless debate. Just move on and others please just share your views, rather than hog the thread debating one persons opinion....
Personally, i think he looks good, got decent stats, is young and a big strong forward, thumbs up from me.
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