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Post by pantherdman on May 3, 2017 21:39:28 GMT
A Brit lad taking the oppositions top enforcer to the box for 10? Winner winner chicken dinner. Is he any good at running the net minder? I would like to see us run a b team in the EPL full of the top young brits and a few spare imports. The EPL that's been disbanded? EPL/ nihl1 = potato/cauliflower
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Post by iginla on May 3, 2017 21:41:05 GMT
Think you need to read the question instead of looking at the poster and assuming it's negative. I asked a simple perfectly reasonable question ! The question on it's own would have been OK - but you then go on to add to it by intimating that his points output are poor - His stats are poor ! And that's in the EPL....I could have been looking at different or out of date stats,as the original poster had said his stats were good. That's the reason I asked. I don't have any problem with us signing the two young kids,I'm all for it,but I worry we will play ours and other teams wont,which at times could cost us. The league playing field is already pretty un level.
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Post by sevcik on May 3, 2017 21:49:29 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if that is the case. I think a lot of teams will go with a back up under 23 goalie though. That means they only need 2 under 23 outskaters and they could then bring in another over 23 Brit should they so choose Wouldn't surprise me if we still have Mr Green as back up next year. I hope not. Especially with Armstrong still in the league doing Thommos bidding.... Dan Green is way out of his depth these days. Nobody NEEDS to have 3 under 23s. You don't have to have any. You can have 19 players all at 40 years old if you wanted. The majority of teams rarely ice more than 19 anyway. It's only the top 3 or 4 teams that it really impacts. Even we would not need them if we chose to have the same team as last year(with Ollie being 1 obviously). However it is great to see us getting behind it and bringing these guys in. Hopefully, as we are most teams will chose to add some whether they need to within the rules or not. Thank you so very much old chap.... For pointing out something i ALREADY knew. Apologies for my not perhaps making my point as but eloquently as i did so intend. The specific point i was trying to make was simply that IF a club chose to go with 3 under 23s, if one is a netminder then obviously they would only have to have 2 under 23 out skaters to fill that max quota and it allows an extra space if they so choose/can afford for an extra Brit. A point which i think others made before me. If Dundee and Edinburgh squad are anything like last season they won't have to add any under 23s anyway as they both had something like 5 or 6 under 23s regularly in their game night squads anyhow. I do agree though it's great to see is adding two young players especially Tetlow. Could become a very valuable player if he progresses well and sticks at it and is coached right.
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Post by pantherlee on May 3, 2017 21:51:01 GMT
The question on it's own would have been OK - but you then go on to add to it by intimating that his points output are poor - His stats are poor ! And that's in the EPL....I could have been looking at different or out of date stats,as the original poster had said his stats were good. That's the reason I asked. I don't have any problem with us signing the two young kids,I'm all for it,but I worry we will play ours and other teams wont,which at times could cost us. The league playing field is already pretty un level. You would think if we were signing the young brit kids for the under 23 rule then we will have the full size roster of 22. If we don't then its just plain stupid as we wouldn't need them otherwise
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Post by sevcik on May 3, 2017 22:04:03 GMT
The EPL that's been disbanded? If anything, just have Black stick a bit of money into the Lions, try and have them playing in the NIHL1 or whatever the new league will be called. It's surprising he hasn't formed an established link already. The 1st thing Neil Black did when he took over Panthers was sever the link between the Panthers and the junior clubs including the Trojans/Lions whatever they were called at the time. I can't see him rushing to invest in the lions anytime soon as there's no profit in it for him. The NIHL i believe is mainly a pay to play league with a max of 2 imports. Even if Black wanted to invest i don't think he would be welcome as the NIHL teams don't even want the ex EPL teams who have applied to join their league (at the behest of a certain Ken Taggart) so i think a millionaire owner of the Panthers would be far less welcome. There is talk that the proposed new tier 2 league may start..(if they can agree a structure) in 2018/19. Bracknell made reference to it being possible when they applied to the NIHL. So in 12 months time it could be delivered is by again with the Scottish teams....
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Post by brodeurfan1993 on May 3, 2017 22:37:23 GMT
Think you need to read the question instead of looking at the poster and assuming it's negative. I asked a simple perfectly reasonable question ! The question on it's own would have been OK - but you then go on to add to it by intimating that his points output are poor - Now, now. Let's not be too harsh on Iginla. He is after all a Panthers keyboard warrior. They are professional moaners. In relation to the good figures, that was me basically saying "wow the guy has taken 155 PIMs in a year and he is 6'6. Let's hope he drills a few people on the blue line". I wasn't really referring to his G, A, p/m etc. Ambiguous though, I will give you that.
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Post by Mozzy on May 3, 2017 23:48:43 GMT
Nice to see you guys getting in on the act now.
Tetlow looks to be a decent prospect, especially with his size, that always helps. Bigger than Cole Shudra, although he is 6'2 himself, so he's not small.
Kelsall looks ok, although I'd be more excited about Tetlow. Kelsall's stats suggest he has a long way to go yet. He's been blown out of the water in that respect by Liam Kirk.
It's going to be interesting to see how much ice time they'll get. Corey will probably give them more than Thompson did with Shudra and Kirk this year for us. You can see how both those two have developed in 1 year though. Your two new guys will hopefully develop the same way.
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Post by tootootrain on May 4, 2017 6:29:47 GMT
Nice to see you guys getting in on the act now... Aye, because Panthers have never brought young Brits into the team and are merely following Sheffield's long history of doing so...
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 8:11:14 GMT
Nice to see you guys getting in on the act now... Aye, because Panthers have never brought young Brits into the team and are merely following Sheffield's long history of doing so... That's what I thought and also if Liam Kirk is that good why does he get next to no icetime. I don't like Neilson but what one thing is he will give these two kids a chance to prove themselves and if they impress then that's even better
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Post by iginla on May 4, 2017 9:19:45 GMT
Aye, because Panthers have never brought young Brits into the team and are merely following Sheffield's long history of doing so... That's what I thought and also if Liam Kirk is that good why does he get next to no icetime. I don't like Neilson but what one thing is he will give these two kids a chance to prove themselves and if they impress then that's even better Because he plays for Thommo Pidge. The coach who has all the bright ideas and spouts about junior systems....then doesn't play Brit kids and just kills his top imports. Always has,did it at Coventry and now does it at Sheffield !
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Post by PantherB on May 4, 2017 13:04:58 GMT
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Post by PantherB on May 4, 2017 13:10:18 GMT
From the way Corey talks about the link, he wants it to be a thing for the foreseeable future and have a steady stream of young guys going through his development system.
The system would look like this;
Tetlow & Kelsall will train all week with Panthers, if they're unlikely to get ice time at the weekend with Panthers;
Kelsall will be sent to Swindon Wildcats or Okanagan u18's Tetlow could be sent to Swindon
Tetlow is 19 so cannot play for Okanagan, and talks are in place to have him play with Swindon. Being a Bracknell player last season, discussions are underway between Tetlow and Swindon, and probably Bracknell too (gentlemen's agreement and all that).
The simplified pathway;
Okanagan (Juniors) - Swindon (Semi-Pro's) - Panthers
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Post by shinobi on May 4, 2017 15:19:59 GMT
We needed to look to the future as regards British players. Good pick ups by the Panthers. I concur; they look good young prospects. Hopefully we can get a young British goalie to develop too.
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Post by jdizpt8 on May 4, 2017 16:53:01 GMT
what is the situation with the EPIHL/NIHL? its all well and good having links with swindon but if theyre in a league where there's a huge gap in talent from us to them then whats the point? great to have these guys signed and hopefully training with the panthers they can push on but if they then go and play a sub standard level thats not challenging enough how are they ever going to improve at a rate we'd like. second to that if some how the epihl does manage to survive at some level close to the level its at now whats the odds of using them for player rehab if and more certainly when we have an injured player?
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Post by Yotes on May 4, 2017 17:13:55 GMT
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Post by Mozzy on May 4, 2017 17:52:19 GMT
Nice to see you guys getting in on the act now... Aye, because Panthers have never brought young Brits into the team and are merely following Sheffield's long history of doing so... Don't be so touchy, I never said you hadn't brought kids through before and certainly never said anything about our history. I merely said it was good to see 2 young kids getting a chance for you. Wind yer neck in.
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Post by Mozzy on May 4, 2017 17:56:36 GMT
That's what I thought and also if Liam Kirk is that good why does he get next to no icetime. I don't like Neilson but what one thing is he will give these two kids a chance to prove themselves and if they impress then that's even better Because he plays for Thommo Pidge. The coach who has all the bright ideas and spouts about junior systems....then doesn't play Brit kids and just kills his top imports. Always has,did it at Coventry and now does it at Sheffield ! Played 4 lines all year, that's hardly "killing your top imports" as you put it. Both Shudra and Kirk have had ice time as and when possible, I expect they'll get more this coming season as they develop. Of course it's much easier to play these kids when you hang around 5th place all year, as we don't sit in 5th and always challenge, it's much more difficult.
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Post by sevcik on May 4, 2017 17:58:32 GMT
The thing is as I've stated previously all the ex EPL teams have been pretty much forced to abandon the PIHL league that was proposed to start this coming season as Ken Taggart the EIHA chairman told them in no uncertain terms to apply to the aforementioned NIHL The thing is the NIHL teams have made strong noises about not wanting those teams in their league and could in theory deny their application. The NIHL is a max 2 import league and most teams are pay to play. The league standard is a lot lower than the EPL was so it won't do as much for the players development. The EPL last season had have imports and Brits of a lot better quality than the NIHL In the circumstances Kelsall will be better off at Okanagan for the majority of the season. He's already put up good numbers in the NIHL 2 given his age and that should give you an insight into the quality of the league's. It is always possible that a large proportion of ex EPL Brits drop down to that league which may bring the quality of the league's (or at least some teams in it) up a bit.
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Post by PantherB on May 4, 2017 18:23:19 GMT
Because he plays for Thommo Pidge. The coach who has all the bright ideas and spouts about junior systems....then doesn't play Brit kids and just kills his top imports. Always has,did it at Coventry and now does it at Sheffield ! Played 4 lines all year, that's hardly "killing your top imports" as you put it. Both Shudra and Kirk have had ice time as and when possible, I expect they'll get more this coming season as they develop. Of course it's much easier to play these kids when you hang around 5th place all year, as we don't sit in 5th and always challenge, it's much more difficult. Was it Shudra who got nailed and injured on his first shift or was it Kirk? (No dig, just a question)
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Post by ted logan on May 4, 2017 18:47:10 GMT
Because he plays for Thommo Pidge. The coach who has all the bright ideas and spouts about junior systems....then doesn't play Brit kids and just kills his top imports. Always has,did it at Coventry and now does it at Sheffield ! Played 4 lines all year, that's hardly "killing your top imports" as you put it. No, half killing opposition netminders, that's much more your lots 'style'.
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Post by iginla on May 4, 2017 19:41:12 GMT
Because he plays for Thommo Pidge. The coach who has all the bright ideas and spouts about junior systems....then doesn't play Brit kids and just kills his top imports. Always has,did it at Coventry and now does it at Sheffield ! Played 4 lines all year, that's hardly "killing your top imports" as you put it. Both Shudra and Kirk have had ice time as and when possible, I expect they'll get more this coming season as they develop. Of course it's much easier to play these kids when you hang around 5th place all year, as we don't sit in 5th and always challenge, it's much more difficult. They can't have got much ice time Mozzy.....they didn't get a single league point between the pair of them ! Not playing them much I can partly understand,but Thommo is the one who came back from Sweden spouting loads of guff about our junior system being crap and then he hardly plays the two kids he's got ! 🙄
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Post by John Casey on May 4, 2017 20:43:37 GMT
What exactly is this you must have 3 British Under 23 players rule then. I was under the impression that you must have them in your match day squad but I'm getting the feeling that these players may not even be in Nottingham most game days let alone be on the bench.
Other than having them for the future, what is the point of this rule?
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Post by pantherlee on May 4, 2017 20:50:40 GMT
What exactly is this you must have 3 British Under 23 players rule then. I was under the impression that you must have them in your match day squad but I'm getting the feeling that these players may not even be in Nottingham most game days let alone be on the bench. Other than having them for the future, what is the point of this rule? It's a roster of 19 + 3 u23 brits which are optional not compulsory
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Post by Rob Scott on May 4, 2017 21:02:46 GMT
What exactly is this you must have 3 British Under 23 players rule then. I was under the impression that you must have them in your match day squad but I'm getting the feeling that these players may not even be in Nottingham most game days let alone be on the bench. Other than having them for the future, what is the point of this rule? It's a roster of 19 + 3 u23 brits which are optional not compulsory If you want to have 13-7-2 then you need 3 U23's.
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Post by PantherB on May 4, 2017 21:07:53 GMT
It's a roster of 19 + 3 u23 brits which are optional not compulsory If you want to have 13-7-2 then you need 3 U23's. Best chance we'll have had at 4 lines for a long time.
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