doug
Robert Lachowicz
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Post by doug on Apr 15, 2017 15:13:06 GMT
With an arena average of almost 6000... Attendance is one thing, paying attendees are quite another. Nope, I'm not. Visìts from the Panthers are still the only games that Steelers regularly break even on. Dave Simms had his little Twitter meltdown the other month based on the prospect of Steelers being moved to the 'Northern' conference, away from the Panthers. Ask him if you like. It's entirely one way. Like him or not him, Gary Moran has driven attendances up and, unlike other clubs, he is loathe to dish out freebie tickets just to plump the gate figures. Aside from the occasional dead rubber Challenge Cup game, Panthers are always well above break even, without the benefit of scuttling off to a rink for 'less popular' games. Whilst there are a core of decent Steelers fans, the majority are Sheffield fans rather than hockey fans. Ensuring their regular attendance is no dead cert. Panthers fans, on the otherhand, will turn up for the opening of a Panthers branded envelope and in good numbers, despite a team management that consistently seems to view the fans as purely a cash cow. Rubbish! Look at the figures. And let me tell you, Your club is no stranger to freebies, no matter what you're told. So the 5000 plus (mostly 6000)games versus Fife, Storm, Blaze, Cardiff, Belfast etc. at the arena don't count and lose money? Ridiculous!
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EMB
Randall Weber
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Post by EMB on Apr 15, 2017 15:59:46 GMT
Panthers give a lot of freebies out, annoying sometimes as a season ticket holder or when we have to pay for the extra cup matches. One match a couple of months ago they gave out over 800. I sat next to someone at Sheffield who said she came to the games regularly but had never paid for one ticket as she was an NHS employee.
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iginla
Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on Apr 15, 2017 16:23:08 GMT
Panthers give a lot of freebies out, annoying sometimes as a season ticket holder or when we have to pay for the extra cup matches. One match a couple of months ago they gave out over 800. I sat next to someone at Sheffield who said she came to the games regularly but had never paid for one ticket as she was an NHS employee. Quite right. Regularly a couple of hundred schools and NHS freebies and over 800 free tickets at one game. I know a guy too who goes to almost every game on a free NHS ticket. Very annoying when you get certain sponsors who "lord it" but who don't play with their own money !
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Post by spik on Apr 15, 2017 17:07:21 GMT
Attendance is one thing, paying attendees are quite another. Nope, I'm not. Visìts from the Panthers are still the only games that Steelers regularly break even on. Dave Simms had his little Twitter meltdown the other month based on the prospect of Steelers being moved to the 'Northern' conference, away from the Panthers. Ask him if you like. It's entirely one way. Like him or not him, Gary Moran has driven attendances up and, unlike other clubs, he is loathe to dish out freebie tickets just to plump the gate figures. Aside from the occasional dead rubber Challenge Cup game, Panthers are always well above break even, without the benefit of scuttling off to a rink for 'less popular' games. Whilst there are a core of decent Steelers fans, the majority are Sheffield fans rather than hockey fans. Ensuring their regular attendance is no dead cert. Panthers fans, on the otherhand, will turn up for the opening of a Panthers branded envelope and in good numbers, despite a team management that consistently seems to view the fans as purely a cash cow. Just how do you know what the break even number is for Steelers games at the Sheffield Arena? They get over 170,000 punters through the door per season, they must be turning over the thick end of £2m a year. How do we know about the 2million also? The quicker they sort this, the quicker I can hate it.
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Post by spik on Apr 15, 2017 17:28:33 GMT
You can then have the play offs with the top 10 involved. 7, plays 10 and 8 plays 9 for a place versus 5th and 6th. At this same time 1plays 4 and 2 plays 3...the winners go into the semi and the losers plays the last remaining survivors of the first two rounds in order to join the first semi qualifiers. Blimey Spik. That's a bit beyond the EIHL hierarchy capabilities ya know. They can't even decide if we're going 2x6 or 3x4. π Only Todd Kelman would understand it. He emailed me to say he likes it. But everyone's hung up on wanting the same number of games in a tournament. Which is either impossible or you'll get silly things like the quarter finals of the Cup to keep clubs happy.......
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Post by kievthegreat on Apr 15, 2017 22:45:22 GMT
Yes.. Somehow doubt the latest figures there. Not sure quite how that even made it onto the website. Congratulations to Dundee and Manchester for having an average attendance larger than their maximum capacity! Tweeted the guy who runs it and he found an error in the system. All fixed now.
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iginla
Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on Apr 15, 2017 23:07:10 GMT
Yes.. Somehow doubt the latest figures there. Not sure quite how that even made it onto the website. Congratulations to Dundee and Manchester for having an average attendance larger than their maximum capacity! Tweeted the guy who runs it and he found an error in the system. All fixed now. Mmmm,so based on those attendances and an average ticket price of say Β£12 the Panthers are well in excess of Β£1 million better off than Cardiff on ticket revenue alone. Remind me who won the trophies last year and who won nothing !!!
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Post by pingchowchi on Apr 16, 2017 14:52:15 GMT
Mmmm,so based on those attendances and an average ticket price of say Β£12 the Panthers are well in excess of Β£1 million better off than Cardiff on ticket revenue alone. I hope that you took into account all the hundreds of freebies that the Panthers give away (according to you) into your equation there.
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iginla
Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on Apr 16, 2017 16:34:51 GMT
Mmmm,so based on those attendances and an average ticket price of say Β£12 the Panthers are well in excess of Β£1 million better off than Cardiff on ticket revenue alone. I hope that you took into account all the hundreds of freebies that the Panthers give away (according to you) into your equation there. Of course π We won't even go into the thousands of extra Panthers fans buying shirts,programmes and other merchandise either. Or if we did,then the picture and enormous disparity of monetary figures would only get far far far bigger and make Panthers look even worse ! π©
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 16, 2017 19:55:35 GMT
They just need to look at how rugby league has done it in the past if they want to have something similar to what they have now. Plus RL encompass the challenge cup and a national team with limited players/catchment area.
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Post by spik on Apr 17, 2017 0:44:17 GMT
They just need to look at how rugby league has done it in the past if they want to have something similar to what they have now. Plus RL encompass the challenge cup and a national team with limited players/catchment area. What do RL do then. I'm interested to know.
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 17, 2017 10:02:37 GMT
They just need to look at how rugby league has done it in the past if they want to have something similar to what they have now. Plus RL encompass the challenge cup and a national team with limited players/catchment area. What do RL do then. I'm interested to know. It's complicated to explain: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_League_play-offsWe could try the 2009-2014 set up with the semis and final at the play off weekend. 8 teams would qualify for the play offs.
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Post by pingchowchi on Apr 17, 2017 10:49:44 GMT
I hope that you took into account all the hundreds of freebies that the Panthers give away (according to you) into your equation there. Of course π We won't even go into the thousands of extra Panthers fans buying shirts,programmes and other merchandise either. Or if we did,then the picture and enormous disparity of monetary figures would only get far far far bigger and make Panthers look even worse ! π© Oh and according to the Devils fans they get their ice time for free (for the first so many years), that has to save them a chunk a cash. 27x15K for games? and how much for practice? That playoff series does look a tad complicated
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iginla
Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on Apr 17, 2017 12:00:11 GMT
Of course π We won't even go into the thousands of extra Panthers fans buying shirts,programmes and other merchandise either. Or if we did,then the picture and enormous disparity of monetary figures would only get far far far bigger and make Panthers look even worse ! π© Oh and according to the Devils fans they get their ice time for free (for the first so many years), that has to save them a chunk a cash. 27x15K for games? and how much for practice? That playoff series does look a tad complicated Practice is included in our arena fee and even allowing for Cardiffs free ice,it still leaves Panthers a good 2000 tickets per game better off than the Devils are,plus all the spin offs of having 3000 more fans buying merchandise and other things. Whichever way you look at it,we could walk all over any other team in the EIHL. We just don't want to win enough though so aren't prepared to spend what's needed.
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Post by spik on Apr 17, 2017 17:43:59 GMT
What do RL do then. I'm interested to know. It's complicated to explain: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_League_play-offsWe could try the 2009-2014 set up with the semis and final at the play off weekend. 8 teams would qualify for the play offs. I understand it, in the end...but have to think a bit before I wonder if its fair etc as tends to give far too many 2nd,3rd chances....more complcated than my love of the Ausie footy one...lol
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 17, 2017 18:48:09 GMT
I just like the fact that it is still possible to win it from an 8th place finish. It will keep it interesting for 8th, 9th and 10th place towards the end of the season. I think the team that finished top of the league only won the play offs once.
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Post by jono222 on Apr 17, 2017 21:12:51 GMT
Yes.. Somehow doubt the latest figures there. Not sure quite how that even made it onto the website. Congratulations to Dundee and Manchester for having an average attendance larger than their maximum capacity! According to the Elite league website its close eliteleague.co.uk/gamecentre/ look at attendance stat. Where did you get that they had over there capacity??? www.eurohockey.com/club/8094-manchester-storm.html?season=2017&league=154 shows storm have a 2000 capacity and www.eurohockey.com/club/1466-dundee-stars.html?season=2017&league=154 dundee have 2300. It is the best blend of competitiveness and location at the end of the day, all teams should be happy enough with that. You need to get rid of the league format imo. The conferences can't work whilst ever the league title is the no.1 prize. Make the league more like the presidents trophy and turn the playoffs into the no.1 competition. This way those conferences will work. If not then the Clan would have far too much of an advantage in that Scots conference for me. I agree, with the EIHL being the only Ice Hockey league in the world that values the league over playoffs. I guess that's the football influence.
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Post by kievthegreat on Apr 17, 2017 23:25:57 GMT
Yes.. Somehow doubt the latest figures there. Not sure quite how that even made it onto the website. Congratulations to Dundee and Manchester for having an average attendance larger than their maximum capacity! According to the Elite league website its close eliteleague.co.uk/gamecentre/ look at attendance stat. Where did you get that they had over there capacity??? www.eurohockey.com/club/8094-manchester-storm.html?season=2017&league=154 shows storm have a 2000 capacity and www.eurohockey.com/club/1466-dundee-stars.html?season=2017&league=154 dundee have 2300. You need to get rid of the league format imo. The conferences can't work whilst ever the league title is the no.1 prize. Make the league more like the presidents trophy and turn the playoffs into the no.1 competition. This way those conferences will work. If not then the Clan would have far too much of an advantage in that Scots conference for me. I agree, with the EIHL being the only Ice Hockey league in the world that values the league over playoffs. I guess that's the football influence. The link is now correct, but originally they had an issue where it the database was looking at the wrong data and so Storm and Stars were shown as having over 3,000.
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Chris
Jade Galbraith
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Post by Chris on Apr 18, 2017 13:00:21 GMT
The stats have been changed now but it was showing Dundee and Manchester having average attendances of 3000 or something ridiculous like that.
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Post by fishman on Apr 21, 2017 17:47:50 GMT
I've watched the fans forum meets the owners from the playoff weekend, Black is telling the other teams its 2 x 6 take it or leave it, all 10 elite league teams voted to accept 2 new team and the 3 teams he didn't name them but we all know its Flyers, Stars and Caps, if they pullout then who know what, but they have plans in place so we wait with bated breath
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iginla
Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on Apr 21, 2017 19:19:09 GMT
If Flyers,Stars and Caps pull out,we carry on with nine teams,one league,3 home and 3 away for a 48 game season.....sorted easy. π
The Scottish three have no power anymore.
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Post by kievthegreat on Apr 21, 2017 19:56:21 GMT
If Flyers,Stars and Caps pull out,we carry on with nine teams,one league,3 home and 3 away for a 48 game season.....sorted easy. π The Scottish three have no power anymore. Hull have applied to NIHL, but have mentioned an "alternative" which they'll find out about at the end of April. Now I wonder what league is holding a board meeting at the end of April?
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iginla
Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on Apr 21, 2017 21:53:06 GMT
If Flyers,Stars and Caps pull out,we carry on with nine teams,one league,3 home and 3 away for a 48 game season.....sorted easy. π The Scottish three have no power anymore. Hull have applied to NIHL, but have mentioned an "alternative" which they'll find out about at the end of April. Now I wonder what league is holding a board meeting at the end of April? Perfect. Ten teams,one league,3 home and 3 away for a 54 game season......sorted ! ππ
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Post by fishman on Apr 26, 2017 8:35:58 GMT
Does anyone know when the meeting of the Elite league is, they said at the fans forum the end of April ?
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iginla
Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on Apr 26, 2017 8:47:18 GMT
Does anyone know when the meeting of the Elite league is, they said at the fans forum the end of April ? The 28th... I think it was. But you can bet they won't announce the new league structure until AFTER season ticket deadline day ! π
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