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Post by NP on Apr 10, 2017 5:33:32 GMT
They've already sold season tickets for this, yet they don't know the structure? What are people buying? Well if they go two conferences of six with two home and two away against every team......your watching FIVE challenge cup games on your season ticket ! 😩 You'd play each team in your conference 3 times to make it 54 games, otherwise no point in having conferences. Think we all know Steelers will be in the "Southern" Conference if go with 2 conferences, which would mean Giants would walk the "northern" conference, & with it probably the League title!
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Post by pingchowchi on Apr 10, 2017 5:59:10 GMT
If we go with 3 conferences, does that mean cardiff go on one with MK, Guildford and Coventry? They would win that at a canter each year.
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Post by spik on Apr 10, 2017 11:20:44 GMT
Someone somewhere will have an advantage with conference. Either we do it regional or as a 12 team league full stop. Or you'll get these claims.
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 10, 2017 11:33:11 GMT
No way the separate panthers and steelers, it's too big a pay day.
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Post by NP on Apr 10, 2017 11:41:18 GMT
I cannot understand any reasoning not to do 2 conferences x 6 teams. North - Belfast, Braehead, Dundee, Edinburgh, Fife, Sheffield South - Cardiff, Coventry, Guildford, Manchester, Milton Keynes, Nottingham It solves the issues of fairness and arena/rink teams are evenly split. Also helps spread the cost of travel as the most disadvantaged teams tend to be the larger teams in this scenario. As fans it solves the exploitation of the panthers/steelers games. The only thing that i can see driving a 3 conference system is Black and Morris squeezing every drop from their cash cow This is the fairest way & it's nearly Geographical; guess they're still arguing / debating this, which is why it's another few weeks until decision made / announced.
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Post by BigLad on Apr 10, 2017 12:56:16 GMT
Absolute farce that the league structure was agreed now there are teams who have changed their minds.
Beer league.
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Post by meadow on Apr 13, 2017 8:56:23 GMT
Fife have put this on their website, seems a little ominous given the talk about Scottish teams dropping out: link
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 13, 2017 9:55:45 GMT
Fife have put this on their website, seems a little ominous given the talk about Scottish teams dropping out: linkIt's just posturing by the Scottish clubs in an attempt to get their own way with regards the conference setup. In reality they have nowhere else to go. They know the three import PIHL isn't an option as their crowd numbers would plummet with that drop from EIHL hockey.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 13, 2017 10:37:36 GMT
I think that both Fife and Dundee had smaller crowds this year?
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Post by Yotes on Apr 13, 2017 10:45:27 GMT
Maybe they just don't want to sell their season tickets before they know what a season will actually entail. Not stopped everyone else obviously but...
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 13, 2017 11:16:05 GMT
I think that both Fife and Dundee had smaller crowds this year? I don't believe so.
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Post by Chris on Apr 13, 2017 13:09:31 GMT
I think that both Fife and Dundee had smaller crowds this year? I don't believe so. Are there any attendance figures released for all EIHL teams this season? I can only seem to find previous seasons.
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Post by kievthegreat on Apr 13, 2017 13:32:42 GMT
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Post by Chris on Apr 13, 2017 15:18:49 GMT
Yes.. Somehow doubt the latest figures there. Not sure quite how that even made it onto the website. Congratulations to Dundee and Manchester for having an average attendance larger than their maximum capacity!
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Post by meadow on Apr 13, 2017 15:32:38 GMT
Fife have put this on their website, seems a little ominous given the talk about Scottish teams dropping out: link It's just posturing by the Scottish clubs in an attempt to get their own way with regards the conference setup. In reality they have nowhere else to go. They know the three import PIHL isn't an option as their crowd numbers would plummet with that drop from EIHL hockey. Might just be something in this - Dundee have now issued a similar statement on their website
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Post by wgray on Apr 13, 2017 15:38:28 GMT
No matter which way the league is setup there are going to be some upset parties, this is unfortunately the knock on effect from adding the two new teams.
So the Scots (Caps, Stars, Flyers) don't want six team conference with Belfast coming into theirs, presumably due to increased travelling costs, they want 3 x 4 meaning Caps, Stars, Flyers, Clan.
This is where issues arise with the setup of the other two conferences.
If we had Storm, Steelers, Blaze, Panthers them four teams would be happy, however that would leave Giants, Devils, Lightning and Flames, it would be very unfair and tough on the two new teams as they would struggle in the conference more than likely just being the whipping boys. So we can't do that.
So you look at arranging the two conf another way, you could have the four big teams Sheff, Notts, Devils, Giants, all parties would be fairly happy. Then Blaze, Storm, Lightning, Flames. The issue with this would relate to Storm and the travelling that they would still be doing. As people have mentinoned and are aware to it seems as though Storm are in financial trouble, the league are trying to help them so they wouldn't be keen in setting it up this way.
To keep three Scottish teams on board and happy the league are going to have to upset either the Storm or the Flames and Lightning, and vice versa. I think it is very likely that we will be a nine team league next season, for the better, who knows...
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Post by calv on Apr 13, 2017 16:37:39 GMT
Neil Russell doesn't seem to think the Storm are in trouble and says the rumours are not true. As a Storm fan, I prefer the 3x4 system with Storm, Blaze, Lightning, Flames. All 3 of these teams are closer than the nearest Scottish team (i.e. better than the current setup) and would bring more away fans than Caps, Stars, and Flyers (Clan bought a fair few). Also, Storm's title sponsor is a bus company. For the fans coaches they are put on at cost, I'd imagine it would be the same for the team (or possibly free of charge in exchange for the sponsorship). Therefore I don't think it's the cost of travel that would be the problem for Storm. I think both Storm and Blaze would prefer to be in a conference with Panthers and Steelers for the away fans. Blaze might not be happy in a different conference to Cardiff either, as their attendances are also high. (league games only team-by-team average attendances for this season can be found here: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lQ6YA-z9a7k9KaW25VO8u8qdQgPpg9qv4oh3h9THZn8/edit?usp=drives do) The problem is that there is such a large disparity in the league, and what suits one set of teams doesn't necessarily suit other sets of teams. In other leagues, disparities are covered by league-wide sponsorship etc, which obviously the EIHL doesn't have
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Post by Yotes on Apr 13, 2017 16:48:53 GMT
I can imagine the unbridled joy on here at the prospect of us finishing a distant 4th in a Panthers/Devils/Giants/Steelers conference
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Post by wgray on Apr 13, 2017 17:23:46 GMT
Neil Russell doesn't seem to think the Storm are in trouble and says the rumours are not true. As a Storm fan, I prefer the 3x4 system with Storm, Blaze, Lightning, Flames. All 3 of these teams are closer than the nearest Scottish team (i.e. better than the current setup) and would bring more away fans than Caps, Stars, and Flyers (Clan bought a fair few). Also, Storm's title sponsor is a bus company. For the fans coaches they are put on at cost, I'd imagine it would be the same for the team (or possibly free of charge in exchange for the sponsorship). Therefore I don't think it's the cost of travel that would be the problem for Storm. I think both Storm and Blaze would prefer to be in a conference with Panthers and Steelers for the away fans. Blaze might not be happy in a different conference to Cardiff either, as their attendances are also high. (league games only team-by-team average attendances for this season can be found here: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lQ6YA-z9a7k9KaW25VO8u8qdQgPpg9qv4oh3h9THZn8/edit?usp=drives do) The problem is that there is such a large disparity in the league, and what suits one set of teams doesn't necessarily suit other sets of teams. In other leagues, disparities are covered by league-wide sponsorship etc, which obviously the EIHL doesn't have you make some gods points, I suppose the conference setup you suppose would be best with The four scots Blaze, Storm, Flames, Lightning Panthers, Steelers, Devils, Giants It is probably the best option to keep everyone happy
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Post by pens on Apr 13, 2017 17:57:37 GMT
Neil Russell doesn't seem to think the Storm are in trouble and says the rumours are not true. As a Storm fan, I prefer the 3x4 system with Storm, Blaze, Lightning, Flames. All 3 of these teams are closer than the nearest Scottish team (i.e. better than the current setup) and would bring more away fans than Caps, Stars, and Flyers (Clan bought a fair few). Also, Storm's title sponsor is a bus company. For the fans coaches they are put on at cost, I'd imagine it would be the same for the team (or possibly free of charge in exchange for the sponsorship). Therefore I don't think it's the cost of travel that would be the problem for Storm. I think both Storm and Blaze would prefer to be in a conference with Panthers and Steelers for the away fans. Blaze might not be happy in a different conference to Cardiff either, as their attendances are also high. (league games only team-by-team average attendances for this season can be found here: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lQ6YA-z9a7k9KaW25VO8u8qdQgPpg9qv4oh3h9THZn8/edit?usp=drives do) The problem is that there is such a large disparity in the league, and what suits one set of teams doesn't necessarily suit other sets of teams. In other leagues, disparities are covered by league-wide sponsorship etc, which obviously the EIHL doesn't have you make some gods points, I suppose the conference setup you suppose would be best with The four scots Blaze, Storm, Flames, Lightning Panthers, Steelers, Devils, Giants It is probably the best option to keep everyone happy It is the best blend of competitiveness and location at the end of the day, all teams should be happy enough with that.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 13, 2017 18:56:14 GMT
So every other game would be against the Steelers, Devils and the Giants... even the Saturday night specials would get fed up with that pdq lol
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Post by iginla on Apr 13, 2017 18:57:26 GMT
you make some gods points, I suppose the conference setup you suppose would be best with The four scots Blaze, Storm, Flames, Lightning Panthers, Steelers, Devils, Giants It is probably the best option to keep everyone happy It is the best blend of competitiveness and location at the end of the day, all teams should be happy enough with that. It's workable. Providing you don't start bumping conference winners up to no2,no3 and no4 seeds for the play offs and so 2nd in the league becomes no5 seed !
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Post by NP on Apr 13, 2017 19:16:25 GMT
It is the best blend of competitiveness and location at the end of the day, all teams should be happy enough with that. It's workable. Providing you don't start bumping conference winners up to no2,no3 and no4 seeds for the play offs and so 2nd in the league becomes no5 seed ! Good shout for the 3 groups of 4, everyone be happy bar Manchester a tad regards travelling. Would then say make it 3 home & away fixtures against teams in own conference, with 2 h & a, V the rest, for a 50 is plenty league campaign... Then go back to doing 2 groups of 4 for the play offs, playing each team in your group home & away. Then simply get Group winners V other Group runners up for Play off finals on the Saturday... EPL does this.
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Post by GuinnessMan on Apr 13, 2017 19:22:57 GMT
With 3 conferences I guess you would play 8 cross conference teams twice home and twice away = 32games 3 inter conference teams three times home and away = 18games (or possibly 4times home and away = 24games)
So, even on the worst case of inter conference of 4 home+away that would be no more than 2016/17.
Result would be 50 or 56 league games (25 or 28 at home, neither of which tie in with the season ticket of 27games)
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Post by iginla on Apr 13, 2017 19:25:44 GMT
It's workable. Providing you don't start bumping conference winners up to no2,no3 and no4 seeds for the play offs and so 2nd in the league becomes no5 seed ! Good shout for the 3 groups of 4, everyone be happy bar Manchester a tad regards travelling. Would then say make it 3 home & away fixtures against teams in own conference, with 2 h & a, V the rest, for a 50 is plenty league campaign... Then go back to doing 2 groups of 4 for the play offs, playing each team in your group home & away. Then simply get Group winners V other Group runners up for Play off finals on the Saturday... EPL does this. It works apart from play off weekend. Need to take the top two in each play off group to the weekend otherwise it's just a duplicate of the challenge cup final and you would struggle to sell out the NIC at short notice unless it was Panthers v Steelers.
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