Caesar
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Post by Caesar on Mar 5, 2017 11:47:16 GMT
Apparently during the Coventry game last night the kiss cam centred on two fellas who gave each other a kiss and Simms on the microphone said " Urgh, that's disgusting, can security escort them out please" or words very similar to that. If he worked for the company that I do, his feet wouldn't touch the floor. How long can he keep getting away with being a complete pillock?
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Mar 5, 2017 12:04:31 GMT
If that isn't bringing the club into disrepute then I don't know what is. Not to mention I'm sure it'd be a breach of arena rules. He shouldn't get away with this.
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Caesar
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Post by Caesar on Mar 5, 2017 12:13:29 GMT
Yet again he's on twitter sincerely apologising etc, blah blah blah. But, he still keeps doing this stuff
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 12:47:11 GMT
You do know it was genuine. Those two lads weren't gay jusy messing around. Nothing will get done here folks. Move along
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Post by nate24 on Mar 5, 2017 12:54:33 GMT
That doesn't make it right what he said Pidge. Odious little man who has too much dirt to dish on both the league and the Steelers to be let go.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 13:05:57 GMT
That doesn't make it right what he said Pidge. Odious little man who has too much dirt to dish on both the league and the Steelers to be let go. But he's been doing it for over 25 years.. that ship has sailed mate
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Post by brodeurfan1993 on Mar 6, 2017 12:32:47 GMT
You do know it was genuine. Those two lads weren't gay jusy messing around. Nothing will get done here folks. Move along Doesn't really matter though does it because how would he know that at the time. Simms is a pratt. Genuinely is a joke how he gets away with stuff. Whether you think what he said is bad or not, the fact remains that kind of thing wouldn't be tolerated at certain companies and yet he seems to evade all sort of control/restriction. One rule for one, and one for another.
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Post by iginla on Mar 6, 2017 13:05:28 GMT
You do know it was genuine. Those two lads weren't gay jusy messing around. Nothing will get done here folks. Move along Doesn't really matter though does it because how would he know that at the time. Simms is a pratt. Genuinely is a joke how he gets away with stuff. Whether you think what he said is bad or not, the fact remains that kind of thing wouldn't be tolerated at certain companies and yet he seems to evade all sort of control/restriction. One rule for one, and one for another. Simmsey is just an embarrassment and it's about time he learnt what's acceptable. It was no doubt a joke yes,but he should still be made to go out on the ice and apologise,just like Panthers Ken had to immediately when he made the crack about the Vipers fans having saved their giros to be able to afford to come down to Nottingham for the game. Problem with Simmsey is he just doesn't learn and there will be a next time !
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Mar 6, 2017 18:01:37 GMT
Here's the Star reporting on it: www.thestar.co.uk/news/sheffield-steelers-executive-apologises-for-homophobic-comments-made-about-two-men-embracing-on-kiss-cam-1-8422552Key phrase for me, directly from Simms is: "Maybe I live in a different world, I can't really see the offence I have caused." and "unfortunately I think there are some people who wake up looking to be offended" ...beyond belief how he is allowed to be part of a professional organisation, let alone is allowed to represent them. In the last month, the NHL has had a terrific amount of publicity pushed at the message of '#HockeyIsForEveryone'... here at the EIHL we have Simms allowed to stick two fingers up and quite openly state that he doesn't feel like he should have to apologise.
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Post by tootootrain on Mar 6, 2017 21:09:36 GMT
I think the Steelers may rue the pretty hollow apologies both they and Simms have made. Not only is a local councillor (who is chairman of both LGBT Sheffield and SIV) on the case, but so too is an LGBT rep for Unison, one of their main sponsors. Also I'm led to believe ESPN's own Greg Wyshynski of Puck Daddy is on this too.
A professional organisation would have already binned Simms, looks like they'd rather drag the rest of the EIHL into the mud than do the right thing.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Mar 6, 2017 21:28:14 GMT
Amazing how responses to this differ - some saying "it was just a joke, get over it" others wanting Simms sacked, or worse. Anyone who follows Ice Hockey in this country knows what Simms is like so it should come as no surprise that he has put his foot in it again. What is worrying though is that, 1. He cannot see what he has done wrong 2, Steelers Org. appear to be protecting him, again 3, EIHL as usual have not even commented on it. 4, The apologies (if you can call them that) are just as much an insult as the original comment, and go on to blame others for making such a big deal of it.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Mar 6, 2017 21:40:37 GMT
Amazing how responses to this differ - some saying "it was just a joke, get over it" others wanting Simms sacked, or worse. Anyone who follows Ice Hockey in this country knows what Simms is like so it should come as no surprise that he has put his foot in it again. What is worrying though is that, 1. He cannot see what he has done wrong 2, Steelers Org. appear to be protecting him, again 3, EIHL as usual have not even commented on it. 4, The apologies (if you can call them that) are just as much an insult as the original comment, and go on to blame others for making such a big deal of it. Exactly... the apology has just been a 'I'm only saying sorry because I have to.' Simms has even gone as far as saying that there would be 'no fuss' if it were someone else.... because if GM the GM said what he did, Simms would definitely laugh it off?!
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Post by tootootrain on Mar 6, 2017 21:58:53 GMT
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Post by fishman on Mar 6, 2017 23:00:45 GMT
It's a good job you didn't say "bit him on the ass"
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Post by tootootrain on Mar 7, 2017 0:44:28 GMT
And now Peter Tatchell is on the case.
Both Steelers and the EIHL failed to act quickly and firmly, so now this has passed well beyond the hockey community.
Surely the position of Dave Simms is completely untenable now?
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Post by cooperphil156 on Mar 7, 2017 2:44:38 GMT
And now Peter Tatchell is on the case. Surely the position of Dave Simms is completely untenable now? You are joking - He stayed on there and on Sky after "Those ba------ down the M1" on the microphone. PS From the report " you have known me long enough. I haven’t got a bad bone in my body." Maybe, but there is a lot of surrounding packaging to be taken into consideration and I wouldn't like to go through that!
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Post by Pies on Mar 7, 2017 6:59:51 GMT
Ultimately, whether this was intended as light hearted humour or an attack on the LBGT community, people who are in that sort of position should be socially aware not to make comments like that. Mr Simms has a clear history of that not being the case. He has bought his club into disrepute but also dragged the league into some murky waters with a complete lack of response from them.
I have no idea if he picks up a wage from the Steelers and that may make fining him harder but someone in charge needs to make an example out of this. If you let people get away with the lesser insults (and I use that term fully understanding that to some that's not the case at all, we are setting a precedent for more severe statements to be forthcoming fully knowing there is no punishment for it.
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Post by Shorty on Mar 7, 2017 8:10:40 GMT
This won't be allowed to be swept under the carpet.
Too many organisations and people involved now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 8:31:36 GMT
This won't be allowed to be swept under the carpet. Too many organisations and people involved now. It already has
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Post by Heanor Lair on Mar 7, 2017 8:57:02 GMT
Ive written to the Motorpoint Arena asking that the Steelers organisation be banned from the building. I don't want my hockey club associated with such a bigoted organisation.
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Post by jd on Mar 7, 2017 8:58:25 GMT
Amazing how responses to this differ - some saying "it was just a joke, get over it" others wanting Simms sacked, or worse. Anyone who follows Ice Hockey in this country knows what Simms is like so it should come as no surprise that he has put his foot in it again. What is worrying though is that, 1. He cannot see what he has done wrong 2, Steelers Org. appear to be protecting him, again 3, EIHL as usual have not even commented on it. 4, The apologies (if you can call them that) are just as much an insult as the original comment, and go on to blame others for making such a big deal of it. He says the word "if" too many times in that article. He doesnt care does he? "Simms said the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender community had offered him counselling and he implied he would consider it" - he wont go will he?!
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Post by MODSTUFF on Mar 7, 2017 8:59:28 GMT
Simms makes jokes about most couples on the kiss cam.
I don't believe his comments were homophobic in any way. The fact that's he's willing to joke with a couple of men kissing surely normalises the relationship?
Leaving the couple alone and not making comments could also be viewed as homophobic. If he said something like 'awww lovely couple' people could've said he was being sarcastic. I don't think he could've won in any scenario. Anything that was said could've been twisted because of who he is!
If simms called a hetro couple disgusting, would there really have been any outrage? In my view all couples of any type should be treated equally and included. I believe this is what Simms was doing. Treating this couple as an ordinary couple and including them in the regular kiss cam Bants,
Being offended by been called disgusting is what the couple could be offended by. But saying that Simms meant they were disgusting because they're gay is presumptuous. Nobody knows if he meant disgusting because they were gay or disgusting because he was having a laugh with a couple. He says it was the latter and plenty of people who were in the arena heard the tone it was said in and they also believe it was the latter.
I don't like a lot of things that Simmsey does, but I'm with him on this one.
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Post by Shorty on Mar 7, 2017 9:14:05 GMT
Simms makes jokes about most couples on the kiss cam. I don't believe his comments were homophobic in any way. The fact that's he's willing to joke with a couple of men kissing surely normalises the relationship? Leaving the couple alone and not making comments could also be viewed as homophobic. If he said something like 'awww lovely couple' people could've said he was being sarcastic. I don't think he could've won in any scenario. Anything that was said could've been twisted because of who he is! If simms called a hetro couple disgusting, would there really have been any outrage? In my view all couples of any type should be treated equally and included. I believe this is what Simms was doing. Treating this couple as an ordinary couple and including them in the regular kiss cam Bants, Being offended by been called disgusting is what the couple could be offended by. But saying that Simms meant they were disgusting because they're gay is presumptuous. Nobody knows if he meant disgusting because they were gay or disgusting because he was having a laugh with a couple. He says it was the latter and plenty of people who were in the arena heard the tone it was said in and they also believe it was the latter. I don't like a lot of things that Simmsey does, but I'm with him on this one. What a load of tripe
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Post by MODSTUFF on Mar 7, 2017 9:19:49 GMT
Simms makes jokes about most couples on the kiss cam. I don't believe his comments were homophobic in any way. The fact that's he's willing to joke with a couple of men kissing surely normalises the relationship? Leaving the couple alone and not making comments could also be viewed as homophobic. If he said something like 'awww lovely couple' people could've said he was being sarcastic. I don't think he could've won in any scenario. Anything that was said could've been twisted because of who he is! If simms called a hetro couple disgusting, would there really have been any outrage? In my view all couples of any type should be treated equally and included. I believe this is what Simms was doing. Treating this couple as an ordinary couple and including them in the regular kiss cam Bants, Being offended by been called disgusting is what the couple could be offended by. But saying that Simms meant they were disgusting because they're gay is presumptuous. Nobody knows if he meant disgusting because they were gay or disgusting because he was having a laugh with a couple. He says it was the latter and plenty of people who were in the arena heard the tone it was said in and they also believe it was the latter. I don't like a lot of things that Simmsey does, but I'm with him on this one. What a load of tripe So you know beyond any doubt that he meant his comments in a homophobic way? Do you know that he wasn't treating the couple equally and including them? Does anybody? He does. He said which it was.
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Post by Shorty on Mar 7, 2017 9:22:14 GMT
No I dont. I was not there.
But to suggest that not by commenting could be deemed homophobic is ridiculous.
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