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Post by sevcik on Aug 29, 2016 17:29:20 GMT
Also if as some suspect Pacl is here on loan it wouldn't surprise me if part of the deal is that Pacl has to play a certain amount of minutes/games for us....otherwise why would his club let him come here when he could just stay with them and sit on the bench there rather than come here. Thats all well and good....but what if he turns out not to be good enough but in effect by the terms of the loan we have to start him in x number of games.....?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 17:38:54 GMT
I expect him to be good enough. Not the leagues best but adequate. This is the eihl not the SEL or Liiga!
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Post by nate24 on Aug 29, 2016 17:53:16 GMT
This is the kinda deal we have needed to be doing for a long time. Forging links with European leagues and benefitting from their excess talent. I hope this sets a trend across the league. Good job. Hardly. He's just here for when Mikka breaks down. It's excellent business if he's here for the season. He's a good young prospect and will know he will be a scratch when Mikka is back fit. Sounds like this would happen even before Mikka had his injury in France. I expect Mikka may be out for around 3 weeks and Pacl will be retained I don't care about the individual deal. I'm talking concept.
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Post by wgray on Aug 29, 2016 18:03:42 GMT
When Wiikeman is fit he starts, when he's not, Pacl will start. I'm pretty sure that this is the deal that the club will have set out when negotiating. This way we keep Green for what he should be used for, the last resort when there's no other option and we need to see a game out. Every individual involved with this will be happy I'm pretty sure, including Greener.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 18:09:12 GMT
Much better this than waiting til Mikka gets injured then not reacting for two weeks. For once, well done Panthers. Wish I could say this more often.
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Post by dexter on Aug 29, 2016 18:28:29 GMT
Just me then that thinks this is a cheap replacement for our injured and most probably out for a good proportion of the season number one net minder. Am sorry but time has shown me panthers only do this sort of thing when they have to so I suspect it either means the end of Mike or at the least a longer term injury.. I'm afraid I share texpef's view here. Great if he's a replacement for Green but if he's here to replace Mika then we're starting the season weaker again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 18:31:18 GMT
Mikka ain't going anywhere jeez... he ll probably be sharing icetime with Jacl.
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Post by dexter on Aug 29, 2016 18:46:30 GMT
I bow to your superior knowledge.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 19:06:07 GMT
Hardly superior knowledge.!
I'd have said quite obvious to most people.... I guess not
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Post by Yotes on Aug 29, 2016 19:20:45 GMT
I don't really see how anyone is getting anything other than Miika > new guy > Viva from this? Given how slowly Panthers get things done, this was in the works long before Miika's injury in Sunday's game.
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Post by dexter on Aug 29, 2016 19:26:17 GMT
Hardly superior knowledge.! I'd have said quite obvious to most people.... I guess not I guess I'm not as smart as you. My post was quoting texpef's which suggested Mika may be out for some time and that Paci would have to cover. Still, glad to hear that you can confirm that this not the case.
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Post by iginla on Aug 29, 2016 19:39:36 GMT
This is presumably going to work the same as last year with Madolora. Mika plays if fit with Green as back up,but if another skater is out injured both import goalies will play. If Mika is out injured them Pacl and Green will play.
Nice signing,but I'm with Tex on the cheap option. I bet we aren't paying him any more than £200 a week,if we are paying him at all.
I do find it surprising we haven't been down this route before though. Because we have the perfect guy in the perfect place to find us a young Euro import goalie.....Rasto !
He was a Slovak goalie coach before he even came to Panthers,was even then a level 4 coach and has been goalie coaching ever since he left us.
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Post by calv on Aug 29, 2016 20:29:47 GMT
It sounds as though Orli can recall him in the event of injury to their starting netminders, and there is a possibility Orli will have training camp or other activities with the Panthers (google translation!) Article: www.hcorli.cz/clanek.asp?id=Nahradni-golmani-Orlu-se-vydavaji-do-zahranici-5636Translated bits about Pacl: ""With Nottingham act as well as opportunities for further cooperation in terms of training camps and other activities," he implied Eagles Pavel Ohera. Panthers is one of the leading British hockey clubs, the reigning Elite League in season 2014/15 they played Champions League and last year their average attendance exceeded 5,900 spectators per match. In Znojmo squad remains an elite pair goalie Marek Schwarz - Patrik Nechvátal. "We agreed that at the training units and training we can use shot from the youth team. In the case of Henry PACL there is a clause that allows us to download it back," said club president Paul Ohera. "Of course if there would be a longer-term problem with one of our goalies, we are ready to operatively act," he added."
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Post by PantherB on Aug 29, 2016 22:00:03 GMT
How can people be disappointed?
Pacl is rated as one of the hottest goaltender prospects in Czech Republic. He's 21 and has another 15 years in him so he's going to be fit, in good shape and able to move more freely than older goalies. He's been playing in Czech Juniors, one of the best junior systems in Europe and Znojmo are keen for him to gain experience at a good level at 21.. He's being entrusted by his club to perform in a professional league rather than remaining in juniors for another year, or a low Czech division.
Znojmo aren't keen however, to allow Pacl to leave on a permanent basis. They're a very, very good team in an excellent league who are very keen to keep him on their books.. Yet there's fans in the measly Elite League complaining he isn't good enough? Very surprising.
It's a superb move by Panthers and hopefully a very prosperous link between the clubs, it's a step forward on all levels and in all aspects and not something we should be questioning, but celebrating the fact we've got a high potential young goalie from a top club, a link established with said club and obviously the ability to rotate goalies and keep them fresh.
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Post by texpef on Aug 29, 2016 22:52:02 GMT
How can people be disappointed? Pacl is rated as one of the hottest goaltender prospects in Czech Republic. He's 21 and has another 15 years in him so he's going to be fit, in good shape and able to move more freely than older goalies. He's been playing in Czech Juniors, one of the best junior systems in Europe and Znojmo are keen for him to gain experience at a good level at 21.. He's being entrusted by his club to perform in a professional league rather than remaining in juniors for another year, or a low Czech division. Znojmo aren't keen however, to allow Pacl to leave on a permanent basis. They're a very, very good team in an excellent league who are very keen to keep him on their books.. Yet there's fans in the measly Elite League complaining he isn't good enough? Very surprising. It's a superb move by Panthers and hopefully a very prosperous link between the clubs, it's a step forward on all levels and in all aspects and not something we should be questioning, but celebrating the fact we've got a high potential young goalie from a top club, a link established with said club and obviously the ability to rotate goalies and keep them fresh. So what i am reading here is yet another wait and see player?... Havent we got enough of those already?...
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Post by Peacock on Aug 29, 2016 22:58:45 GMT
Also if as some suspect Pacl is here on loan it wouldn't surprise me if part of the deal is that Pacl has to play a certain amount of minutes/games for us....otherwise why would his club let him come here when he could just stay with them and sit on the bench there rather than come here. Thats all well and good....but what if he turns out not to be good enough but in effect by the terms of the loan we have to start him in x number of games.....? They have 4 netties on their roster. As the junior of the 4, and the only one of the 4 not to ice for the senior team, he'd be more likely be sat in the stands than on the bench. Makes good developmental sense to have him getting game time at a loan club.
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Post by iginla on Aug 29, 2016 23:08:16 GMT
He will be a cheap option,but he will be way way better than any 21 year old Brit kid back up we are used to seeing. Czechs and Slovaks train their kids hard,often twice a day and with specialist goalie coaches too.
They take it very seriously six or seven days a week,sometimes training twice a day,not like our youngsters who will be lucky if they get an odd hour on the ice here and there.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Aug 30, 2016 3:15:12 GMT
How can people be disappointed? Pacl is rated as one of the hottest goaltender prospects in Czech Republic. He's 21 and has another 15 years in him so he's going to be fit, in good shape and able to move more freely than older goalies. He's been playing in Czech Juniors, one of the best junior systems in Europe and Znojmo are keen for him to gain experience at a good level at 21.. He's being entrusted by his club to perform in a professional league rather than remaining in juniors for another year, or a low Czech division. Znojmo aren't keen however, to allow Pacl to leave on a permanent basis. They're a very, very good team in an excellent league who are very keen to keep him on their books.. Yet there's fans in the measly Elite League complaining he isn't good enough? Very surprising. It's a superb move by Panthers and hopefully a very prosperous link between the clubs, it's a step forward on all levels and in all aspects and not something we should be questioning, but celebrating the fact we've got a high potential young goalie from a top club, a link established with said club and obviously the ability to rotate goalies and keep them fresh. So what i am reading here is yet another wait and see player?... Havent we got enough of those already?... Every single new face to the league is a wait and see player. Players come in and out and perform differently each season in different leagues. That logic is ridiculous, don't see fan from around the league complaining about theirs, he comes with high praise from a hockey culture with higher success than our back water league. I do not see any issue with him what so ever, i think everyone is reading way too far into it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 7:31:46 GMT
So what i am reading here is yet another wait and see player?... Havent we got enough of those already?... Every single new face to the league is a wait and see player. Players come in and out and perform differently each season in different leagues. That logic is ridiculous, don't see fan from around the league complaining about theirs, he comes with high praise from a hockey culture with higher success than our back water league. I do not see any issue with him what so ever, i think everyone is reading way too far into it. Exactly. Ridiculous thing to say. Pacl will come in be low maintenance and know the situation
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Post by texpef on Aug 30, 2016 7:43:44 GMT
I think this is deliberately being obtuse here, by wait and see, it is generally accepted to be a player without a solid pedigree, i.e. not played at a high level for eg NHL, AHL KHL etc etc and this is the case with a lot of players currently on the panthers roster (and this young goalie too, who, incidentally I do expect to be solid but not spectacular), does that clarify for all those pedants out there.. The point I am making is yet again panthers are choosing the cheap option rather than spending the extra and bringing in someone who can take the burden away from mika to rush back to work... but if people are happy then great panthers haven't needed to spend more and still given the fans what they want hey..
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Post by PantherTom on Aug 30, 2016 8:18:04 GMT
How many other teams have 2 import goalies? NONE! cant believe people are moaning about this!
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Post by Mark Mac on Aug 30, 2016 9:22:28 GMT
I think this is deliberately being obtuse here, by wait and see, it is generally accepted to be a player without a solid pedigree, i.e. not played at a high level for eg NHL, AHL KHL etc etc and this is the case with a lot of players currently on the panthers roster (and this young goalie too, who, incidentally I do expect to be solid but not spectacular), does that clarify for all those pedants out there.. The point I am making is yet again panthers are choosing the cheap option rather than spending the extra and bringing in someone who can take the burden away from mika to rush back to work... but if people are happy then great panthers haven't needed to spend more and still given the fans what they want hey.. So the cheap option is to hire a 3rd nettie. Riiiiiight.
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Post by PantherB on Aug 30, 2016 9:38:03 GMT
To be fair, I'm sure he's so cheap that Panthers are only paying him a proportion of his contract with Znjomo, with them paying the rest. Hot prospects don't get pennies, they get a lot of money due to the fact in time they will be a very good goalie, got to sacrifice money to keep them in your system
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Post by texpef on Aug 30, 2016 10:53:26 GMT
3rd goalie am sure not through choice but necessity due to injury, am sure ALL our competitors would replace an injured import netminder with another import netminder in the same circumstances but not necessarily choose the "cheap" option..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 11:12:24 GMT
3rd goalie am sure not through choice but necessity due to injury, am sure ALL our competitors would replace an injured import netminder with another import netminder in the same circumstances but not necessarily choose the "cheap" option.. Would you say Marek Pinc was expensive last year? I believe the intention was always to have 2 import goalies in tandem way before Mikka Wiikman got injured.
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